Were in trouble, Shes not a VP so we wont be able to hit her effectivley.Shes a 60 day shield.

[Boz]

It denial of truth and reality, cheerleading just long enough so the lies dont get caught fast enough.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO TIME TO CATCH THEM in reality. Because they are not in reality. There is no target in the open to hit with facts and reality. Little and big lies that people can hang their hat on long enough to not think about what the Republicans really mean.

We are going to lose if we don't get people to vote, not change votes, there are no votes to change.

[tridim]

1. The debate will destroy her. When is that BTW?

[Boz]

5. She wont even debate,theyre not going to fight directly,They're painting a reality to the uninformed

And it will work because people don't have time to think.

[GrizzlyMan]

8. Quick...someone call a waaaaambulance

You really don't have much of a stomach for tough races do you?

[Boz]

11. You really are an Ostrich arent you, Im saying the Fight is in a different place.

AND must start hitting the other fight much harder than where we thought. The distraction is to get into politicking and debating to convince. Thats not the fight, the repubs arent going to contrast their selves. They are going to wrap themselves in the same cloth and their is no time to show why they aren't the fight IS THE VOTE, Not convincing the VOTE

[GrizzlyMan]

16. WRONG

I'm confident of victory something that is apparently very uncomfortable for you.

[Boz]

19. Good for you, I take nothing for granted and intend to fight for my win, you coast.

Good for you

[GrizzlyMan]

23. Wait a minute

You actually think we have a chance to win? Hard to tell from your reactionary, panic laden OP.

[Boz]

24. It wasn't reactionary, It was confusing because it can sound like that when anyone says its not this

Fight its this Fight and that illustrates my point about what they are doing. The best camouflage is to look the same and then we waste time saying hey thats camouflage when the reality is what the fight is THIS IS US.

[GrizzlyMan]

27. I don't know WTF you are talking about

Put down the booze. You're writing as though you've had a few tonight.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. Early in October

[cottonseed]

7. There will be no debate. It's not like we're controlling the topics.

I don't think anything will come from those. She'll be protected the whole time, no tough interviews, no debates, no free form town halls nothing. The press won't have access to her either. She's an installation from the religious right. It's dangerous.

[Boz]

13. Exactally what Im saying. This is very dangerous, becasue we are based in reality, This is not

There is no reality to debate. There is no there to fight.

[Boz]

15. Exactally what Im saying. This is very dangerous, becasue we are based in reality, This is not

There is no reality to debate. There is no there to fight.

[Lars39]

2. Educate and register everyone you can.

TN deadline is Oct 6 in person or postmarked.

[GrizzlyMan]

3. Another Candy Ass give up thread

[Boz]

9. Not give up, FIGHT, but understand what the fight is and fight the right fight.

The fight is not to convince anyone now, because you won't. They are going to say they are exactly the same thing as Obama/Biden a, nd people wont have time to figure it out.

ITS FIGHT TO GET THE VOTERS WHO KNOW TO ACTUALLY VOTE.

Its a street fight in a ring DONT WAIT FOR THE BELL and DONT WAIT FOR THE REF TO SAY NO THATS NOT RIGHT.

FIGHT FOR THE REAL VOTE, VOTE FOR THE REAL VOTES NOT THE HANGERS, NOT THE MAYBES, FIGHT FOR THE VOTE TO GET OUT AND VOTE.

[GrizzlyMan]

12. Your idea of fighting is to piss your pants and cry doom and gloom

Thank Christ you're not running the Obama campaign or else you would have thrown in the towel tonight. Have a little faith in the campaign that just got the first AA nominated for president of the united states. If you have superior qualifications state them, or else crawl back home to mama bear and sit this one out.

This defeatist shit has to stop.

[Boz]

18. Its not defeatist, its take the fight where it is, Obama is already there with the ground game

Im talking to the people that are to thick in the politics to step out to where the real world is.

People like you who only see the game not the world.

[GrizzlyMan]

22. No, actually you are a defeatist

Save your "people of the real world" tripe for someone who buys it. Ditto for your defeatist crap. Your ilk is nothing special. There are yellow bellies up and down these threads any time some GOP goon says boo.

[Boz]

26. You know what STFU,

I am not a defeatist, I am a realist, and I know people as a general rule are not as eductaed or paying as much attention to reality as the DU crowd. Your stuck in a bubble.

[GrizzlyMan]

29. Nah, you're a defeatist

But have a nice evening!

[Boz]

30. And you are a wonderful human being for demonstrating my point so well

[GrizzlyMan]

32. You couldn't make a point if someone spotted you the p-o-i-n

[book_worm]

4. one effective speech doesn't decide the race. She still has to answer questions about

trooper gate (there is a lot there and she is stone walling), her inexperience (yes despite what they say she is inexperienced) and her extremism.

[Boz]

20. No she doesn't thats the problem, we assume they will follow the rules

This has signaled they are not going to campaign against us with their contrasts, They are going to campaign AS us and assume people are to stupid to have time to figure it out.

[tannybogus]

10. Obama and Biden should ignore her.

They will be called seixst even if they say they like what she says. Bring on Hillary, Wasserman-Schultz, Maxine Waters,

Claire McCaskill, Shelia Jackson Lee, Barbara Boxer, etc. Hit her above the belt and with class. Hit her with policy and hit her hard.

Don't ignore her problems. Let them point out her contradictions and lies. The National Enquirer will keep the affair story alive, and they have some cred after the

Edwards mess.

[The Shadow]

14. Not That Good of a Speech

So what she can talk, big deal. She had no real message, only useless rhetoric and attack. She did or said nothing to impress me or in reality anyone with a brain. She offers no vision to the ticket, just like Mc Lame, only attack. F**k Her and the moose she rode in on. I think she is an insult to women that care about things that are really important to them. She also said nothing about what she believes in and that will hurt them in the long run.

[Boz]

21. It wasnt a good speech it was a statement that the speech doesnt matter.

This signaled that they are not going to contrast themselves, they are going to say they are us and assume people are to stupid to know the difference.

[The Shadow]

17. Not That Good of a Speech

So what she can talk, big deal. She had no real message, only useless rhetoric and attack. She did or said nothing to impress me or in reality anyone with a brain. She offers no vision to the ticket, just like Mc Lame, only attack. F**k Her and the moose she rode in on. I think she is an insult to women that care about things that are really important to them. She also said nothing about what she believes in and that will hurt them in the long run.

[Soup Bean]

25. Do the American People pay attention to facts?

I'm not so sure. My experience with local politics has taught me that people are unswayed by reality. Everything seems to be about perception. The people have been conditioned by television to accept marketing and seem to do little reasoning on their own. I've become jaded. Everyone takes sides based on personality and presentation, and most people seem to just go with whatever tiny shred of evidence reinforces their own beliefs. Tell them what they want to hear, whether it conforms to the truth or not, and they vote for you. God help you if you actually tell the truth about anything, and science (natural, political or otherwise) be damned. I don't know if it was always this way (I was a child during the Nixon years, and my first vivid political memory is him leaving office on Marine One), or if it was a recent phenomenon. Most people I know won't vote, or if they do, it's because their Daddy voted that way. The 50s are always the good old days when things were perfect, "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve", change is hard and most always bad, Sarah Palin looks like a nice lady with a family, "if you can raise 5 kids, you can run the country", blah, blah, blah, blah and blah.

I am either losing my faith in the process or I am losing my naive nature. It feels like America is going down the tubes, war is the solution, and "small town values" is something of which to be proud and good enough to run a country. I think she is a dangerous pick, because the Democratic Party is asking the American People to think and reason, and I see no evidence of that here in Red America. The best things I've heard said of Obama here Down South have been his comments that Palin's kids are off-limits. Palin is telling them what I used to hear in Sunday School (how to not wind up condemned to eternal damnation).

Anything that causes one to have to rethink a cherished position is a bad thing. Sound bites rule. We've actually dumbed down the populace to the point that we as a people are very easily manipulated, and I'm not sure that the President or the Vice-President have anything to do with running the country anymore. Maybe they never did. This is one small town voter who wishes that the big population centers would actually come and save the day. I'm more of a centrist than most, but I've been an Independent Democrat for all my life. I'll vote person and not party, and Obama/Biden is the most intelligent ticket since Clinton/Gore, and a ticket that might actually TRY to change things. They're my last hope for that America that the storybooks describe.

Please, PLEASE don't underestimate this woman, nor McCain. We can't afford it as a people. Fight hard, fight smart, and save us somehow. Our country's infrastructure is down the tubes thanks to the "I hate taxes" motto, the "Death Tax" title change actually works, and Civics and Citizenship is no longer taught in American schools, at least not public ones, and not in cash-strapped states. Free-thinkers are stigmatized and discouraged, marginalized and brutalized. Even initiatives to keep clean water running to homes are protested as "big government". Meanwhile, America crumbles.

I am losing all faith in the system. We desperately need smart people running the country again, at least smart people who have the REAL interests of the people at heart. I'm really counting on Obama to ignite this country again, and I will probably disengage from politics from now on if we blow this election. Biden, go for the jugular. Tear her apart on ISSUES and the hell with the Rovian spinmeisters. I would say that we can count on the people to know better, but I don't think that's the case anymore.

I love Hillary; she just wasn't my choice after I heard Obama. Most people don't pay attention to politics, and I just hope that the "celebrity" status of Obama actually delivers votes. I don't think the average American citizen is informed enough to make a tough choice anymore. If it doesn't affect them both directly and obviously, they'll just go along with what they THINK they're supposed to believe. Reason is not popular in this country.

I have become so jaded. I hope that Obama touches that dying spark of involved citizenry and turns it into a flame. But I've reached the point that I have very little faith in good things happening. I am SICK of nonsense, I am SICK of being talked down to, but I don't think the great masses care anymore. I have a feeling that Obama will win; I hope I'm not wrong. McCain I can stomach; that BS I just heard from Palin reminds me of why I stopped going to the Baptist Church. I cannot handle Bertha Better-Than-You being VP and possibly President.

No more of this. If the Republicans win this election, we probably won't ever be able to right this country. Last chance. Might as well go for it, and fight like you're behind in the fourth quarter. Be fair, be good, fight hard, and WIN.

[alarimer]

31. Finally a voice of reason.

Somebody needs to be a realist around here. The media are going to gush over this woman and THAT is what voters will see, because most of them did not stay up and watch this speech. Biden will not get a chance to debate her because it will be in some phony non-debate type format to make it easy on her.

Right now, we underestimate these people at our peril. Do not scoff at the worriers because the American people ARE stupid enough to fall for this crap.

[Neshanic]

28. You sould like a conerned person. That's a concern.