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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:12 PM
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Listen to Obama's abortion ad
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:16 PM
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1. When was the last time a presidential candidate did a pro-choice ad?
This is really risky...
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:17 PM
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2. It seem to have worked for Wilder...
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:23 PM
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5. I agree with this move on Obama's part. They need to contrast their position with McCain/Palin
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 02:27 PM by CakeGrrl
A couple of good points were made on "Real Time" last week:

1. Bill Maher didn't think the Dems made it clear that John McCain would end Roe v. Wade during the Dem convention, and he believed that much of the public think that part of McCain's "maverick" image comes from being pro-choice;

2. One of his panelists pointed out that the issue WAS raised, but the convention coverage was sporadic enough that people might not have seen the speeches that addressed it.

So I say get it out there. Let Obama/Biden state that they are firmly pro-choice, and let voters infer from that that McCain/Palin may not be, and make voters question their position. McCain/Palin cannot back down on that charge, and some voters who might not have believed this 'maverick hockey mom' could be against abortions, even the event of rape/incest, will start to know what this VP is really about.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:39 PM
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10. A much better ad would make mention of the fact that for the far right birth control = abortion
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 02:40 PM by depakid
HHS Proposal Undercuts State Birth Control Laws

by Cristina Page

The Bush administration's Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has been called "ground zero for the ideological wars in this country," and a new HHS proposal leaked this week proves why. In a spectacular act of complicity with extremists on the right, HHS is proposing to allow any federal grant recipient to obstruct a woman's access to contraception.

The American public is nearly unanimous in supporting contraception: 90 percent favor wide availability for birth control, and 90 percent of sexually active women of reproductive age are using it. It is simple common sense: the average woman spends nearly three decades of her life attempting to be sexually active without getting pregnant, and access to contraception is the only proven way to avoid an unintended pregnancy.

For most women, birth control is a basic health care need. But with this new proposal, the Bush administration plans to hand over the gears of health care to the few extremists who want to impose their deeply unpopular right-wing doctrine on the many. The "Pill Kills" fringe has generally been ignored for its warped pseudo-science, but not at Bush's HHS. Its new proposal would make agencies receiving HHS funding promise not to discriminate in hiring against anyone who objects to abortion -- and then redefines abortion so as to include most commonly used forms of birth control including oral contraceptives and IUDs.

This is the latest -- and now incontrovertible -- proof that the anti-abortion movement, and the administration that appears beholden to it, opposes basic pregnancy prevention and is firmly committed to control over Americans' sex lives. If the HHS proposal is approved, anti-contraceptive operatives will seize health financing, one of the most important levers of control. The regulations would be vast in scope and serve as an open invitation for local extremists to directly meddle with your most important life decisions.


Under the new rule, any health care provider who receives federal funding and would like to prevent women from having access to prescription birth control would have federal protection for doing it. State laws requiring hospitals to give pregnancy prevention to rape victims would be automatically invalidated. Pharmacies nationwide could be granted instant permission to refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control. Health centers may be forced to hire religious extremists who would refuse to provide contraception to their patients, even if contraception service is the main focus of the facility.


In adition, as a constitutional scholar, Obama should know that the Court can't overturn Roe (actiually, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_v._Casey">Casey is now the controlling law) without also reversing Griswold, which establishes the federal right to privacy and reproductive freedom.

Once Griswold is overruled, southern and midwestern states will almost certainly restrict access to contraception- and there'd be no legal reason why they couldn't ban it altogether.

Overturning Griswold is the far right's ultimate goal- and it has benn since the case was decided in 1965.

That's right- contraception was illegal in some states in 1965- and people were prosecuted.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:20 PM
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3. This election is about the supreme court...and we can't tip toe around that.
We can't "hint" on this....so I'm proud of Barack!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:23 PM
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4. Perfect.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:24 PM
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6. Great ad!
I'm glad he's going after McSame on this.

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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:25 PM
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7. Very hard hitting very real. Hillary "We don't need 4 more years of the last 8 years."
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 02:26 PM by barack the house
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:31 PM
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8. Isn't this ad kind of risky?
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 02:32 PM by Onlooker
What do you think the Obama campaign is up to? It's a great ad, very bold, but it's interesting Obama chose to place it after the Bristol Palin story and during the Republican convention.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:33 PM
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9. I got chills...
listening to that...
It is SO important to get this message out there.
I'm so glad Barack is working this.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 02:41 PM
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11. A foolish decision. Hope it isn't widely aired.
With the main issue of the election this year being the economy, we have a real opportunity to get the votes of people who might not agree with Democrats socially but realize that the Democrats have the best course of action on the whole notwithstanding those differences.

Nothing serves as a bigger buzzkill than highlighting a hot-button "bumper sticker" social issue like abortion. We make the election about the economy and a better foriegn policy, we win. We make the election about abortion, we lose. It's that simple.
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