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[Bonobo]

[rurallib]

1. I remember ground to air - because he was flying so low

[DontTreadOnMe]

2. Mccain was shot down twice!

The first episode Fred was talking about was an accident on the flight deck of the carrier Forrestal.
So once while still on an aircraft (air to air missile accidently launched).
Technically not really "shot down", but a horrible tradegy and loss of life on the carrier.

and the second time shot down over Vietnam. (ground to air missile)


oh, wait, I am forgeting the third time he was shot down... in the 2008 Presidential Election.

[Wickerman]

3. On the CNN bio the other night it came from another plane

that was on the carrier he was on. It went from that plane straight to his. He was in the plane as it burst into flame. Pretty dramatic footage available. He jumped out and banged his head in the ensuing explosion, giving him I believe the 2nd of his many concussions. Too many concussions...