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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:00 AM
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Pollster rips CNN on "no bounce report" as "terrible, dishonest reporting
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/internal_measures_of_change_on.php




First was there a bounce ?

Internals show big jump for Obama after convention

September 1, 2008"Internal" Measures of Change on the CBS SurveyBy Mark Blumenthal


The just released CBS survey we posted a few minutes ago is one of the first of the post Democratic convention polls to include extensive "internal" measures on perceptions of the candidates. If you want to get beyond the ongoing obsession with convention bounces, the CBS results pdf is worth reading in full.

Most useful within in are the measures that show the biggest changes since the pre-convention CBS poll conducted in mid August. Some examples:

50% say Obama "has made it clear what he would do as president;" up 9 points (from 41%)
58% say Obama is "tough enough;" up 10 points (from 48% in July)
67% of Obama voters say they "enthusiastically support" him; up 19 points (from 48%) before the convention

37% rate Joe Biden favorably; up 23 points (from 13%)
41% rate Michelle Obama favorably; up 13 points (from 28%)
52% rate Hillary Clinton favorably; up 7 points (from 45%)
At the same time, several measures show little or no change since mid-August:

39% rate Obama favorably; unchanged since mid-August

44% say Obama has "prepared himself well enough for the job of president;" unchanged since mid-August
McCain's ratings are unchanged; from 34-33% favorable/unfavorable in mid-August to 35-34% now.

48% say McCain "will generally continue George W. Bush's policies;" up only one point (from 47%).
Tune in again next week to see how the




Then pollster Michael MacDonald takes on CNN's continual reporting that there was no bounce:





Don't go grocery shopping with someone from CNN, because they do not know their apples from their oranges.


I was puzzled about this statement in today's "CNN poll-of-polls":

“Any bounce Obama might have received out of his party’s convention appears to have largely negated by McCain’s surprise selection of Gov. Palin as his running mate,” said CNN Political Editor Mark Preston. “This race has been close all along, and is unlikely to change.”
What got me scratching my head is that today's CNN poll-of-polls includes CNN/ORC, USAToday/Gallup, and CBS, the latter two are reporting post-convention bounces for Obama in their poll analysis and even the CNN/ORC poll shows a 1 point movement towards Obama (this poll increasingly appears to be an outlier, btw).

Mystery solved when I looked at the previous CNN poll-of-polls that serves as the basis for comparison. (cut and paste this into your browser, since my posting would otherwise have too many URLs in it and be held up for approval):

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/24/obama-sees-slight-rise-in-poll-of-polls/

In this poll-of-polls, the average came from ABC/WashPost, Fox/Opinion Dynamics, and the Gallup Daily tracker. I do not believe the two other organizations have released new polls yet, but the Gallup tracker shows a significant Obama bump over the course of the convention, too.

Bottom line, CNN is cherry picking polls to further the finding in the CNN/ORC poll that there is no bounce for Obama. This is truely terrible, dishonest reporting. What's dumb is that we can expect a bounce for McCain, too, which most likely will cancel out the Obama bounce. But for CNN, we will go through two conventions and they will report that the conventions had no effect when, in fact, some very real changes in public opinion have occurred - all so that they can protect their precious black-box CNN/ORC poll from criticism.

Looking back at my posting, I should add that all the polls in the CNN poll-of-polls were conducted after the Palin announcement, too. Palin did not cancel out an Obama convention bounce, as is alleged by CNN.




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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:03 AM
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1. I'll bet the Palin announcement
is about to cancel out the Republican bounce, however ;)

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:05 AM
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5. LOL..."Alaska First" is too much....
:rofl:
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:07 AM
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6. Palin should step down and go back to governor of Alaska. Everybody will love her even more now.
One thing is for sure. She considers herself an Alaskan first and an American second. So you know she's going to put Alaska's priorities in front of the rest of the country.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:13 AM
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14. No--I want her to stay on the front page for a while yet.
Give us at least two or three weeks of her before she goes home.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:18 AM
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10. lawl
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:34 AM
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17. lol
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:03 AM
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2. MSM = Dirty Dealers for the GOP. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:36 AM
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19. well they got caught this time
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:04 AM
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3. Finally -- someone giving the skinny on polls
Good for him!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:27 AM
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16. This by CNN was absolutely unprofessional
did they think we can't add?
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:04 AM
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4. They don't want anybody to mess up their precious horse race
CNN is talking 24/7 about how they beat FOX News in the DNC coverage. They're hoping to ride this wave and stay in first place in the ratings. Sometimes I'm honestly not sure that corporate media is much worse than purely state-owned media.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:14 AM
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15. Also, it is harder to steal an election if the numbers aren't close. n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:09 AM
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7. McCain's internals..
must have been showing the same thing; thus the sudden announcement of the hail mary gimmick pick.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:45 AM
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20. yup
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:11 AM
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8. I'm betting they DO report a bounce for McCain.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:40 AM
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23. actually I think they got stung being so far out of touch

they may even try to over compensate
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:13 AM
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9. Kicked!!
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:18 AM
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11. kr
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:20 AM
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12. Don't go grocery shopping with someone from CNN ... they don't know their apples from their oranges
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 02:21 AM by TexasObserver
ha!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:48 AM
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13. You gotta wonder why they bother with their psyops.
Could it be that it's more possible than I have surmised, for the American people to outvote their goddamn, Bushite corpo-run, 'TRADE SECRET' code voting machines?

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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:36 AM
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18. From what I can tell
This Palin disaster is furthering Obama's bounce. It may have just sealed the deal.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:54 AM
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21. Yes but even more devistating it is going to eliminate any Republican Convention bounce
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:26 AM
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22. The Repubs just made it clear that
they deserve no more chances at running this country. Their miscalculations have been astounding and their abuse of public trust means that no one takes their word at face value any more.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 05:02 PM
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24. CNN is now saying he got a 'tiny' bounce
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 05:05 PM
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25. LOL
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