WHAT DOES BRISTOL'S PREGNANCY MEAN??

[RoadRage]

So, now that this is out, let's evaluate what all of this means:

1. Babygate is officially dead, yet Grandma gate is alive and well

2. Did Sarah tell John McCain that her daughter was pregnant before she accepted the position?
A) If YES - that means he knew this would come out and didn't care.. or planned on this making her more sympathetic
B) If NO - that means she hid a total bomb shell that she KNEW would come out. Why would she do this to herself, and her daughter?

3. Does this ultimately HELP or HURT the McCain camp?

4. How do they spin this?

5. Does this force Sarah Palin to resign from the VP nom to be at home and help her family? Is this what they use to get somewhat out of this mess?

Discuss.......

[nyccitizen]

1. It means...

We find anything Palin has said or written condemning premarital sex, promoting abstinence-only sex ed, and see if she commented publicly about Jamie Lynn Spears' pregnancy (a near-identical situation). Then we send out those bullet points to the media as evidence of hypocrisy.

[NYC Liberal]

2. I think it's obvious she didn't tell him

or at least not until it was too late. Despite what they say (they aren't gonna admit that this woman was not vetted at all).

The fundies may be pissed not because of the pregnancy, but because of the whole not-being-married thing. Then again, they could be completely hypocritical about it and not care.

[vi5]

3. It means nothing...

The pro-life crowd will lap it up. It won't impact one single vote from anyone, anywhere. Period.

[vi5]

4. It means nothing...

The pro-life crowd will lap it up. It won't impact one single vote from anyone, anywhere. Period.

[Kittycat]

5. It means she wasn't vetted.

[TahitiNut]

6. "It's 3am and the telephone rings. Do you know where your children are?"

:rofl:

It'd be the PERFECT ad.

[crazylikafox]

13. Love it!!!

[salin]

30. She Kept Her Kid Home from school for more than half of a school year!

Clearly no one was paying attention that she was feeling better/recovered from mono, and thought perhaps she ought to go back to school.

In many states if a child is out of school that long, and there is no updated medical information, charges can be levelled for keeping the child out of school. Indiana still has a truancy court.

Clearly Bristol's education is not much of a concern to the Palin family.

[TahitiNut]

32. She wouldn't be the first "Mother Of The Year" with truancy and abuse hidden.

When daddy is working 24x7 on the North Slope, who the hell is involved in the kids' lives and doing the nurturing and guidance and support?

What a clusterfuck!

[TahitiNut]

33. While she was home from school, how many Sundays did she miss church?

:evilgrin:

[RoadRage]

37. or her older son's..

I heard his avg. gpa was less then 2.0 - so that is why he had to join the military... looks like Sarah has been a much better politician then a mother.... which in itself isn't a problem, but it's not like her husband is picking up the slack either. :eyes:

[Mz Pip]

7. The Freepers are standing behind Palin

Say that Obama would have chosen abortion.

So much for family values. Make it about what you speculate Obama would of done.

[BrklynLiberal]

17. I guess you have it right...Teenage pregnancy is not as bad as abortion.

[Mz Pip]

31. Assuming that Obama

would choose abortion is a bogus defense. This isn't about Obama and what he would or would not have done if it were his child in this situation.

To me this is about the VP candidate who can't manage her own family but wants to impose her values on the entire country,

[Lorien]

8. "Abstinence only" training is horseshit, like all repug ideas. n/t

[liberalmuse]

9. What kind of parent is she?

Who would drag their teen into the spotlight for a lousy VP position in the McCain campaign? What kind of parent would take such a position when they have a special needs child AND an unmarried, pregnant minor? I am trying to fathom what kind of heinous parent would do that to their daughter all for a fucking VP position that they are wholly unqualified for. This just boggles the mind! That poor girl! Palin is a fucking atrocity.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

10. Feeling sorry

for all of those parents of teenage girls out there.

Between this and the celebrity-celebration pregnancy of Britney Spears' sister, the media are going to be complicit in adding to the desirability of young teen promiscuity and pregnancy.

It is likely Sarah Palin and McCain are going to play this for the pro-life angle: Palin insisted that her daughter have the child.

It is up to the Dems to paint Palin as--not necessarily weak on morality--but rather a failure in communicating the moral behavior she espouses to her own family.

[DogPoundPup]

11. She and the campaign also are asking that the media respect the family's privacy on this matter.

Isn't that convenient...the CANDIDATE (job interviewer) with the 'abstinence only' policy against unwanted pregnancy can't be questioned on this 'minor' detail?

[TahitiNut]

19. "Privacy"?? Is that a right? Really? So ... Roe v. Wade was soundly grounded?

That's nice to know. :sarcasm:

[BrklynLiberal]

20. Ahem..What about respecting the privacy of every woman in this country who wants to have the choice

to have an abortion if she thinks it would be the wiser thing to do in a given situation...? GAWD!! Such HYPOCRITES!!!! :mad:

[jazzjunkysue]

34. I will honor her privacy if she honors mine: Keep abortion legal, and stop war and guns.

These people have supported the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. They love guns. They love war. They want to control my body.

Karma sucks, don't it?

[SocratesInSpirit]

28. Oh isn't that special...

She wants the big bad media to respect her family's privacy. Why should we respect their privacy when they're all for putting their noses in other peoples' PRIVATE reproductive decisions?

It is indeed convenient, isn't it?

[BrklynLiberal]

12. It means her mother should NEVER have stepped into the worldwide spotlight

the way she did...knowing the true situation. I would guess her, or her husband's personal ambition was greater than their concern for their daughter's well-being.

[liberalmuse]

21. I'm so angry right now I could spit.

This is worse than babygate. I have a daughter, and I am floored by this. Palin is a fucking monster, accepting the VP position knowing her pregnant daughter would be dragged through the spotlight. This woman is beyond contempt. She needs to submit her resignation NOW.

[TwilightGardener]

14. It means there's no way in hell this woman is going to be a heartbeat away

from the presidency. She has no control over her own family, there will be two infants who need a lot of care and attention, and this choice was an absolute campaign-killing DISASTER.

[TwilightGardener]

15. It means there's no way in hell this woman is going to be a heartbeat away

from the presidency. She has no control over her own family, there will be two infants who need a lot of care and attention, and this choice was an absolute campaign-killing DISASTER.

[LaurenG]

16. It will be "forgiven" by those who will vote for McCain

after all, the good Christian must forgive and they will most likely relate since this is a common occurrence among teens, it even happens with preachers kids.

I don't see a lot of fallout over the situation. I wish people were more awake but right now they aren't, now it'll be up to Obama to lead the fight against these two.

[nyccitizen]

23. It will be forgiven by hardcore pro-lifers but not many Evangelicals...

Sex before marriage is a "sin".

[RoadRage]

38. Yeah.. but what other option do they have?

Forgive.. or vote for Obama? They'd rather forgive and vote Repug.

Let's just hope this helps keep a few people home who normally would have checked the Republican box.

[Crooked Moon]

18. hmm

1. Babygate is officially dead, yet Grandma gate is alive and well

yes. the benefits of this line of talking points remain to be seen.

2. Did Sarah tell John McCain that her daughter was pregnant before she accepted the position?

apparently yes.

A) If YES - that means he knew this would come out and didn't care.. or planned on this making her more sympathetic

apparently yes.

B) If NO - that means she hid a total bomb shell that she KNEW would come out. Why would she do this to herself, and her daughter?

apparently no.

3. Does this ultimately HELP or HURT the McCain camp?

i would submit that it will be a wash. any potential damage will be offset by the fact that the rumormongerers on the left once again overreached, as with rathergate, as with katrina (bush blew up the levees), giving republican poor judgment cover through ridiculous levels of hyperbole that blur the issue, causing the legitimate criticism baby to be thrown out of the public consciousness with the scurrilous bathwater.

4. How do they spin this?

as a family closing ranks and loving each other. it sounds sappy, but it'll work to some degree.

5. Does this force Sarah Palin to resign from the VP nom to be at home and help her family? Is this what they use to get somewhat out of this mess?

doubtful.

[CatsDogsBabies]

22. Palin is a real life example of the failure of her own position regarding Abstinence only

education. In what other ways does she demonstrate her own loosing side?

[tomg]

24. It means that Jerry Springer is running

the McCain campaign.

[Project Grudge]

25. She won't resign

The freepers are spinning it as a pro-- she is keeping the child. And they are ignoring the out-of-wedlock aspect. I don't think this changes anything.

I want to win on the issues anyway, not on personal crap that doesn't matter.

[RoadRage]

26. I'll answer my own questions..

1. Babygate is officially dead, yet Grandma gate is alive and well

2. Did Sarah tell John McCain that her daughter was pregnant before she accepted the position?
A) If YES - that means he knew this would come out and didn't care.. or planned on this making her more sympathetic
B) If NO - that means she hid a total bomb shell that she KNEW would come out. Why would she do this to herself, and her daughter?

I think she told McCain. I really do.. i think he knew all about this from the beginning, and thought it would be part of the "fantastic spin", and get sympathetic votes. I think it might backfire - but that's all part of the "hail mary" McCain was looking for. There is NO WAY he couldn't have known about this - but there are alot of people who will think he didn't know about it and will question his judgement.

3. Does this ultimately HELP or HURT the McCain camp?
I think it will hurt a little.. it goes back to Grandpa's judgement. Not only is she unexperienced.. etc, etc.. but now this too. If this was the ONLY issue, then I don't think it would be a problem.. but now for the fudie's who liked her because she was a Christian conservative but were a bit hesitant about her lack of "experience".. they now have a reason to stay home. Most won't, but a few will.

4. How do they spin this?
As stated above.. her family is "pro-life", and Bristol will have and raise this baby. Don't get me started on the disaster that will be 2 17 year old kids getting married for the sake of the child.. that's a whole different post.

5. Does this force Sarah Palin to resign from the VP nom to be at home and help her family? Is this what they use to get somewhat out of this mess?
I don't know... i'm 50% / 50% on this. I think it will totally depend on how it polls. If McCain goes down, he'll drop her (or she'll thoughtfully resign). If the polls go up or stay the same - she'll stay on board.

[1corona4u]

27. It means;

She couldn't even manage her OWN KIDS. How the fuck can she manage a country if needed?

[msallied]

29. I don't see how it can possibly help McCain.

Seriously, something like this can only be spun to look positive because it looks like shit all on its own.

[Meshuga]

35. They love it because it keeps the attention to the controversy

as opposed to the issues that matter and John McCain being a crappy candidate.

The whole thing is a trap to distract by accusing the Obama campaign of starting rumors and attacking a young pregnant woman. This is going to get nasty and you have only seen the beginning.

[jazzjunkysue]

36. President Obama, reporting for duty!

These people are the laughing stock of this election. Thanks, John, for screwing up way, way, way ahead of time.

You'll never know how much I appreciate your timing! :kick:

[BeyondGeography]

39. It means comedians have a wealth of new material