It really is all about that baby. This isn't petty to ask these questions!

[proud2BlibKansan]

I am very concerned about the circumstances of Sarah Palin's baby's birth. He has down syndrome. Palin knew he was disabled before he was born. She didn't announce her pregnancy until she was 7 months along and pictures of her late in her pregnancy don't make her look pregnant - especially considering this is her 5th child and she is in her 40s.

Two months before the baby was born:

Three months before the baby was born:


A month before her due date, she went to Texas for a governors conference and her water broke. She waited until the conference was over THE NEXT DAY to fly back to Alaska and have her baby.
http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8194634

When I was pregnant, my doctor told me not to travel during the last 6 weeks. I wanted to go to a family reunion 150 miles away and my doctor said no way. And I had a normal pregnancy - I wasn't carrying a disabled child. A couple years ago, a woman I know who was 8 months pregnant had a death in her family and her doctor told her not only would he not let her fly to the funeral but the airlines wouldn't let her on a plane because she was within weeks of giving birth.

So I am very suspicious of the story of this disabled child's birth. But more importantly, what kind of a mother waits a day after her water breaks - when she knows she is carrying a disabled child - to get on a plane and fly 8 to 10 hours to a hospital to have her baby? And yes, babies with down syndrome do indeed often have complications at birth.

It just doesn't add up. And yes, I think it is fair to discuss this. What kind of a woman places her unborn baby at risk like this? Her unborn disabled baby?

What kind of a leader would this woman be?

[1corona4u]

1. Interesting....

everyone in that pic is smiling, except for the daughter in green, who happens to have a pugdy stomach, and appears to be holding her breath...

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. And I didn't even bring that up

I figured the picture told the story.

[Richardo]

6. Yes, because if she were pregnant she would of course wear a tight fitting top

...in a formal portrait with her fundamentalist Governor mother. :eyes:


You people are pathetic.

[Celebration]

10. well, any explanation is wacko

This situation is way more than strange. Do you at least agree that there was an incredible lack of judgment on her part to leave a major medical center area (Houston) to get on a flight to Alaska, given the circumstances (labor, water broke, carrying child with multiple risk factors, etc.) It is strange enough that she went to her small town hospital to give birth to an at risk child.

The *only* way the above behaviour is acceptable is if she was lying about the whole thing. So we are actually trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

[tabatha]

12. If she was hiding it,

she would not wear a maternity dress.

[1corona4u]

14. And you are naive.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. So do you believe it is okay that she waited after her water broke

to fly to Alaska to give birth? I find that rather pathetic.

[Richardo]

52. What difference does it make?

She's monstrously unqualified for the job of Vice President - that's what matters.

Her *ahem* choice as to how to conduct her pregnancy is between her and her doctor, or so I've been told.

[proud2BlibKansan]

60. She placed her unborn child at risk

If she is that callous, what kind of a leader do you think she would be for America?

[JeanGrey]

36. Yeah this story is giving me the shits too

[avaistheone1]

17. I think that is the daughter's baby too.

Daughter pudgy stomach....Sarah slim stomach....I say the daughter is the mother of the baby.

Daughter also disappeared from school for months...Sarah returned to work supposedly 4 days after giving birth....c'mon the daughter is the mother of the baby.

Rumors were floating about Alaska for some time that this is the case.

[greguganus]

56. Maybe the dad's the father. There is a shortage of women in Alaska.

lol

[Raven]

3. She is obviously a woman who thinks she can defy the laws of nature.

Maybe they should send her to the Gulf to stop Gustav.

She was very, very lucky that she didn't have real birthing problems with that child. I was told that if my water broke to go right to the hospital. I may be wrong about this but I thought that after your water broke there was an increased risk of infection. Anyway, very risky behavior.

[TwilightGardener]

4. She was having contractions, and she got on a plane. What would have

happened if her labor suddenly progressed, as is often the case when you've already had four children? Did she notify the crew that she was in labor? Or did she hide it, and put the whole flight in jeopardy of having to make an emergency landing, or worse--having to have someone on the flight deliver a baby with birth defects, being born prematurely to what amounts to an "elderly" mother? The risk of complications was high no matter where she delivered--why take the chance of delivering on an airplane? Why do that to your infant? Why do that to the pilot, the crew, the other passengers, air traffic control? This woman has rocks in her head.

[trueblue2007]

11. Palin has rocks in her head. It's a bumpersticker screaming to be put on my car.

[kid a]

5. This is just as valid as asking about the judgment of a father who might

take his three-year-old boy to see a dog fight, or The Departed, or turning your 11 year-old son on to porn.

Its not about gender - its about judgment.

Legit and troubling.

[1corona4u]

7. And you know what else....that has been photoshopped...

look at the daughter in orange, her left arm is cut off....as if there is a black square covering it...and since I do graphics, I also think there has been some editing to the one in green's behind, and the area where her stomach and her mother's arm meet.....just my observations....something is smelly, and you'd think if they were trying to cover this up, they would have put her in the back...idiots.

Have a look;

[tabatha]

13. Her arm is not cut off.

You can seen that she is holding it behind her as a prop.

[RoccoR5955]

16. Most definitely some editing in the pic...

To the right of the child in orange, some of the black pixels are totally black, if they are shadows, there should be a gradual change.
On the bottom of Sarah, all along the line of her pants, black pants. Solid black, no gradual change there. If it was a flash photo, there should be some variance with the folds that naturally occur there. Something is hidden. As far as the one in green's butt, something to the right was photoshopped out.
The way that I analyze this is simply with the package that comes with MS Office. The Picture manager... Simply blow it up, and look at the pixels. If you really want to find stuff, bring the midtones up a bit, and it can be quite revealing. I have found lots of things in my own photos by using this method.

This photo was 'fixed' alright, but what is missing?

[Emit]

35. The pic is from 2006

long before anyone was pregnant

[Emit]

8. That first photo is from 2006

it's already been discussed

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. The other photo is more suspicious anyway

And thanks for the info.

[Nine]

9. I think the flight aspect is the best evidence that something isn't true here.

But the picture of the daughter with a "bulge"... I don't think the date of it has been verified. The point that why wouldn't she wear a loose top is a valid one. And it does seem a bit unseemly to me - discussing whether the girl has a baby bump. I think the case is there without using that pic.

[Celebration]

21. I agree

But it sure would make a statement on the National Enquirer cover.

There is not anything about this story that makes any sense, whether it is the flight or the daughter wearing that top.

C..L..U..E..L..E..S..S..

Describes this family, at best.

[Nine]

33. If the date is really 2006, the only statement it will make....

is that we are desperate, clueless scandalmongers.

[Celebration]

50. Who, exactly is *we*?

DU has no control over what is printed in the Enquirer.

[seabeyond]

15. i have not heard a single woman who has been preg able to understand a mother, water breaks

goes to meeting. gets on a plane with no ability to have medical help at her disposable. it doesnt not in anyway compute in my brain. i cannot see a single argument that can justify this or validate it.

both preg water broke. first child, doctor said get to hospital. i took shower and went to hospital 5 minutes away. i got my ass chewed out for taking the shower. second child straight to hospital. they do NOT mess around with this

both children i was in thirties and babies were fine. i could no more be away from medical attention than i could stop what was happening

i cannot see any woman walking away from medical care

this woman was in her forties. that alone complicates. i would have been totally concerned

it makes no sense to me

none

and then to say a doctor ok it. that HAS to be a lie. it just has to. no doctor would

[RoccoR5955]

18. Maybe should thought that "God" would take care of her? n/t

[seabeyond]

20. maybe. but as i say, not a single woman who has been preg can grasp this decision

not a single doctor would say ok.

maybe you being male and never preg, you just dont understand how telling this is.

she believes in medical care. so it isnt a denial of medical care cause of religion. it doesnt compute. not even god will take care of.

[maseman]

23. We've had two kids

My wife is not much into politics (although sh'ell vote for Obama as she is a teacher and hates Bush for the No-Child debacle) and told her this morning about the whole water-breaking and getting on a flight situation. She looked at me like i was crazy until I showed it to her online. She said that lady is NUTS and no good mother would have ever done that. Then her payoff line was "What bad decisions would she make with the nuclear missles in this country?" Bingo honey. Bingo!

[seabeyond]

26. my husband too looked at me like wtf.... that is what i mean. NO woman

would do this. NONE. not even a really really stupid or a really realy selfish woman. no one would.

makes no sense

[Nine]

24. exactly

I wish people would drop that photo, though. The date is in question and I personally don't even think the girl looks pregnant.

[seabeyond]

29. i think she looks preg looking at belly button and boobs.... but i dont care about the photo

drop it or not.

but the getting on a plane bothers me.... a lot

adn this woman would have been giving birth at least a month early. she already at risk cause of age. AND knew the baby how down syndrome.

not even like a young, stupid, healthy 20 yr old that spits out babies got on the plane

she had every reason to NOT get on the plane

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

46. When I was in labor with my youngest son, the doctor broke my water deliberately to hasten delivery!

This whole thing is insane and of course making me suspicious.

[demo dutch]

19. This story is very fishy, check this out -- illustrating Palin's poor judgement

Snip
Palin made the decision to travel to Texas to a Governor's conference while 36 weeks pregnant, a time during which obstetricians would tell you it’s foolish to travel via plane. Air travel is a known risk for pregnancy complications, which is indeed what happened. The governor, while on a self-promoting trip to deliver a speech, had premature rupture of fetal membranes: her water broke.

Call your local OB department and ask what to do if you think that your water has broken. You’ll be advised to seek an immediate hands-on examination by an obstetrician. The baby will be placed on a monitor to make sure it’s OK. Premature rupture of membranes can lead to life-threatening infection and premature delivery.

What did Sarah Palin do? She did NOT go to a local hospital and did NOT have her baby checked on a fetal monitor to make sure it was OK. She called her family practice doctor in Alaska for advice. What advice was given isn’t clear, but it’s clearly quoted that she "did not ask for a medical OK to fly". Whether it was OK to fly should be the FIRST question anyone considering traveling by air should have, if they were at all interested in protecting the life of the unborn. Regardless, she decided to give her speech at the conference without having any evaluation other than the long-distance advice of a family practitioner. Her speech was more important to her than making any effort to make sure her unborn child was OK. Then, she decided to fly back to Alaska, an 11-hour trip. In addition, she failed to inform flight personnel that her water had broken.

Airlines are unequipped to handle most emergencies at 30,000 feet, particularly the kind Palin put her unborn child at markedly increased risk for. These emergencies include birthing a premature infant or uncontrolled maternal bleeding. This was her FIFTH pregnancy and delivery can happen rapidly and unexpectedly. The baby or Palin could easily have died.

In the ADN article Palin downplays her decision to fly, implying traveling was reasonable as she wasn't in labor. If so, then why was she immediately hospitalized after returning to Alaska? Why was there an induced delivery of a 36-week infant by 6:30 am soon after her return? Again, ask any OB doctor. Induced delivery of a premature infant ALWAYS indicates a problem. The two most likely would be fetal infection, (a likely event given her failure to seek meaningful medical attention for her baby) or fetal distress by monitor.



http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:mQZFKrqQbTEJ:www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/may/26/sarah-palin-as-mccains-vp/+did+sarah+palin+really+deliver&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

[enough]

25. According to the papers at the time, she delivered at a local hospital.

Here's the link.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/380134.html

I really don't think the governor of a state could pull off a fraud like this unless she "had the baby at home." The more we go after this stuff, the more desperate we seem.

[avaistheone1]

30. Well Palin tried getting her former brother-in-law fired from the state troopers for no reason

so why would she not feel empowered in her personal life to create a false claim of motherhood for her own grandchild?

She seems pretty good at lying and manipulating to me. Who is going to stop the governor?

[demo dutch]

32. It gets worse - Poor judgement - Risking baby's life & traveled 11 hrs while in labor

Discussion here
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:mQZFKrqQbTEJ:www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/may/26/sarah-palin-as-mccains-vp/+did+sarah+palin+really+deliver&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

snip
The details of the birth of Gov Palin's child are ironic, as it leads one to question her pro-life principles. A reasonably intelligent person can determine that Palin was reckless with the life of her unborn child. (Go to www.adn.com, April 22 edition for the fully-disclosed details).

Palin made the decision to travel to Texas to a Governor's conference while 36 weeks pregnant, a time during which obstetricians would tell you it’s foolish to travel via plane. Air travel is a known risk for pregnancy complications, which is indeed what happened. The governor, while on a self-promoting trip to deliver a speech, had premature rupture of fetal membranes: her water broke.

Call your local OB department and ask what to do if you think that your water has broken. You’ll be advised to seek an immediate hands-on examination by an obstetrician. The baby will be placed on a monitor to make sure it’s OK. Premature rupture of membranes can lead to life-threatening infection and premature delivery.

What did Sarah Palin do? She did NOT go to a local hospital and did NOT have her baby checked on a fetal monitor to make sure it was OK. She called her family practice doctor in Alaska for advice. What advice was given isn’t clear, but it’s clearly quoted that she "did not ask for a medical OK to fly". Whether it was OK to fly should be the FIRST question anyone considering traveling by air should have, if they were at all interested in protecting the life of the unborn. Regardless, she decided to give her speech at the conference without having any evaluation other than the long-distance advice of a family practitioner. Her speech was more important to her than making any effort to make sure her unborn child was OK. Then, she decided to fly back to Alaska, an 11-hour trip. In addition, she failed to inform flight personnel that her water had broken.

also Anchorage Daily News
http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html

Airlines are unequipped to handle most emergencies at 30,000 feet, particularly the kind Palin put her unborn child at markedly increased risk for. These emergencies include birthing a premature infant or uncontrolled maternal bleeding. This was her FIFTH pregnancy and delivery can happen rapidly and unexpectedly. The baby or Palin could easily have died.

In the ADN article Palin downplays her decision to fly, implying traveling was reasonable as she wasn't in labor. If so, then why was she immediately hospitalized after returning to Alaska? Why was there an induced delivery of a 36-week infant by 6:30 am soon after her return? Again, ask any OB doctor. Induced delivery of a premature infant ALWAYS indicates a problem. The two most likely would be fetal infection, (a likely event given her failure to seek meaningful medical attention for her baby) or fetal distress by monitor.

Ask your OB doctor if the risks Palin took with the life of her unborn child are risks they would have advised for ANY reason. Then ask yourself whether Palin is truly pro-life, or only pro-Palin.

[Princess Turandot]

43. Pre- birth Adoption Agreement..

If she and her husband adopted the baby, depending on the state law, it might well have been immediately considered theirs upon birth. Their names would go on the birth certificate, so the doctor could sign it in good faith. Revelation of any medical info on the birth mother or baby is a violation of federal law. It may also be a violation to reveal closed adoptions records. (That's a conjecture.)

I have no idea what happened here. But this scenario would make it all above board, which was my original doubt as well, that the OBG would sign a fraudulent bc application.

[crispini]

45. Very good point, I think you should start an OP with this info.

This is the first thing I've read that makes all this plausible.

[Princess Turandot]

49. I was trying to find their procedures online..

this was the best I could do. (The search gets bogged down with other issues in the results.)
http://www.theadoptionguide.com/files/StateAdoptionLaws.pdf

It looks like it cannot happen until the kid is actually born but it can happen immediately afterwards. The birth father is not registered. There would be a court decree required but that is confidential.

I had some friends who adopted a baby via a private adoption in a different state and they had custody of the baby as soon as she was born. That's what made me think of this.

If you want to post a new OP with this, feel free! I have to get off the computer soon.

[helderheid]

59. I completely agree.

[helderheid]

55. WOW!

[Martinucho]

22. The hospital doctors and nurses should be interviewed

Those doctors and nurses who were in the room where she gave birth are the only ones who can attest with certainty whether she was in that room or whether it was her daughter.

[maseman]

27. Privacy laws...they cannot talk

[avaistheone1]

31. You are probably correct.

[secondwind]

28. Take a closer look at the daughter on the right....

looks to me like SHE's the pregnant one.........not her mother! Ha!

[AzDar]

37. That young lady in the green is KNOCKED UP.

Clearly.

[Madam Mossfern]

38. No, the daughter to the right does NOT look preggers

What I wonder is how she managed to go around after her water broke, or if it was just 'leaking'. Did she wear Depends or something? I know, I've had four children and have experienced walking around the house with a towel after my water broke.

[CampDem]

39. Here is why she lied

I am a third generation Alaskan and live here in Anchorage (population 300,000). My grandmother came up here in the 1950's after leaving my grandfather because he was an ass. As a single mother she figured out a way to buy a restaurant and raise her 7 children without him. I grew up fishing and snow machining and hiking in places that would look like movies to most of you. I grew up seeing bears and moose regularly and see them several times a year on the streets of Anchorage. Sarah comes from the valley, which is a 45 minute drive from Anchorage and a beautiful bedroom community.

I think you guys should realize some things about the culture up here. We have native communities up here that are still living subsistence lifestyles. People hunt and fish in the way their ancestors have for thousands of years. Alaskans pride themselves on being from the last frontier and how hardcore and tough they are. Sarah's husband is a champion snowmachine racer. Sarah genuinely wants to be seen as a sort of superwoman with a gun and a fur suit. She goes to work with the baby strapped to her body sometimes. She is very athletic and extremely competitive. She is a frontier woman.

Now, I do think that the baby story is strange. However, my take on it is that she is exaggerating for the hometown crowd and saying her water broke in Texas. She wants everyone to think what a tough cookie she is for flying home anyway. She is a braggart and a this is simply a "my fish is bigger than yours" story. She loves Alaska so much she could not let that damn baby be born in Texas. Alaskans have an weird rivalry with Texas and the rest of the lower 48. She lied to increase her damn frontier woman, tough as nails street cred. The hospital she had the baby at is a huge brand new facility and the employees there would know if she was having a baby or her daughter was. I know that here are privacy laws, but Sarah is very famous and people love to talk.

I think we need to focus on how Sarah is in the pockets of big oil and a nutball fundie who wants to take away a woman's right to choose.

[Celebration]

42. Okay, that is an interesting and reasonable explanation

However, if true, she will lie about anything, exaggerate anything, to increase her own image, and she is completely unfit to be in office, no matter what her views are.

[proud2BlibKansan]

47. So she is a liar?

That alone disqualifies her for VP.

[Celebration]

51. LOL, *nothing* works for her with this set of facts n/t

[greguganus]

57. Being a liar is a requirement for repug VP. n/t

[shimmergal]

62. Well, so far the MSM

are echoing that "tough cookie" explanation, and it's DANGEROUS!

How many other women may hear her story and conclude it's OK for them to pull a similar stunt with an at-risk pregnancy?

Shouldn't somebody design a campaign ad with "Do you want this woman making health decisions for YOU" (or "for your daughter") which coveres a lot of scary possibilities, either way?

[rateyes]

41. You all, one in 19 conceptions to a woman 45+ ends up Down's Syndrome.

[seabeyond]

44. and over 80% of down syndrome is from women under 35.

it happens. those women have the strong majority of babies. and risks goes WAY UP at 36.

[greguganus]

58. can Downs syndrome come from incest? n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. Yes it can

[Phx_Dem]

48. Well I don't know what the story is,

and I think we won't know until/unless something comes to light. But the daughter in green should probably re-think the tight clothing if she isn't pregnant, because it makes her look like she is. She may just be pudgy, but the tight shirt doesn't work for her!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

53. I think if you get some solid evidence then sure. It does seem suspicous...

But as ruggerson said yesterday, this scandal would have to involve hospital staff among others, which makes it unlikely.

[helderheid]

54. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqPIC_fMFnQ&eurl=http://www.boxxet.com/Marcia_Cross/Video:Bree_Van_Der_Kamp_and_common_courtesy_16l7h8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoUOPOmgU6Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkwvlyDBU2s