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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:52 PM
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Obama's 18 state campaign - Plouffe "McCain has to win Colorado" "Daily Tracking Polls are terrible"


Obama's team outlines exactly how they are going to win



Missed in all of the convention coverage was a penetrating presentation by Plouffe that also got some CSPAN coverage. Mark Blumenthal followed up with an interview: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/plouffe_on_obama_and_polling.php

The following group gave an "on the record" interview:

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe, communications director Dan Pfeiffer and campaign advisor Anita Dunn for a dozen or so editors and executives of the Atlantic Media company and the National Journal Group.

Marc Binder also covered the event.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/barack_mccains_margin_among_in.php

Here are the key points:

1) Only 18 states are going to have an impact:

The 18 states that the Obama campaign is focusing on are: Alaska, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Virginia.

2) The campaign doesn't care about any national polls:

"All we care about is these 18 states," he said. He repeated, with emphasis, that the campaign does not care about national polling. Instead, the campaign's own identification, registration and canvassing efforts provide the data he uses to determine where to invest money and resources.

3) The top line of the polls are meaningless - they only track the 'data underneath'

Plouffe also emphasized that the internal polling the campaign does is focused on those same 18 states,** and that their real concern is not the horse race results but the "data underneath." Later, he added, "the top-line doesn't tell you anything." Rather, they focus on who the "true undecideds" are, "how they're likely to break," and what messages will best persuade them

4) As has been noted at DU and proven every morning on phrigndumass's outstanding daily thread Gallup's national poll is a joke.

Communications director Dan Pfieffer later put it more bluntly, expressing unhappiness with the "inordinate focus on bad polling" by the media and also in the routine misinterpretation of sampling noise in the Gallup Daily poll. "The Gallup Daily is the worst thing that's happened in journalism in 10 years," he said.

5) The election will be decided by turnout:

Much of the briefing covered specifics on the focus on turnout by the Obama campaign and their massive effort to "adjust the electorate" to their benefit. He cited several examples, including Florida where he claimed that roughly 600,000 African Americans that were registered but did not vote in 2004 , with more than half of that group coming from African Americans under 40 years of age. "If we just execute on turnout" in Florida, he said, "we're going to be bumping up on our win number." They also believe they can keep states like Virginia and North Carolina competitive if they "blow the doors off turnout."

6) McCain being out of touch will be a central theme to election day

"The development on the out of touch argument is an actually critical development of the campaign," he said, because "some of the voters images of McCain don't jibe with reality."


7) Other miscellaneous observations:

Other nuggets from Plouffe:

** If McCain doesn't win Colorado, "he has a 5% chance to win the election."

** He believes that they have "a slight edge" in Virginia.

** He said Obama is underperforming only among working class whites over 70 and pointed to a poll showing that Obama is over performing John Kerry with working class white voters under 50.

** Said that the campaign's target in Georgia is about 47% of the vote, owing to Ex-Rep. Bob Barr's ability to siphon votes away from John McCain.

** Said HIllary Clinton's speech "could not have gone better."


Here is where pollster Charles Franklin puts those important 18 states



Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Iowa, New Mexico all very strong with Colorado, Montana, New Hampshire, Virginia and Nevada leaning for Obama. Ohio a toss up.


Note his comparison of the difference between Obama and McCain safe states:





These guys know what they are doing and just like the convention they are executing a carefully laid out plan. They are confident for a good reason, they know what they are doing.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:54 PM
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1. kick rec and bookmark before it's drowned in threads about the sacrificial lamb. nt
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 04:55 PM by JoeIsOneOfUs
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:10 PM
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6. lol tought swimming tonight lol
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 06:15 PM
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10. I think the GOP is throwing this one - they have to pick *someone*
and Romney will run against Obama in 2012.

In the meantime, we need to focus on what your post is about - getting a big electoral margin so there are no vote-stealing shenanigans.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:25 PM
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20. obama needs to win alaska. He is having people go to the bush
and knock on doors. no one does that. It will mean a lot. :)
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darius15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:57 PM
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2. If I were them, I'd drop...
Alaska (Palin is popular there) Georgia, and North Dakota.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:03 PM
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4. Alaska is obviously out now but
Georgia remains in play because of Barr (Plouffe saying they only need 47%). If there are 500,000 AA in Florida that didn't vote last time how many are there in GA?

ND remains very competitve. Remember when he says that they are going to be active in those 18 states it may mean simply a media buy and a mailing but not necessarily a candidate visit. North Dakota is doable and could be moved with a modest ad buy that McCain is unlikely to be able to respond to.

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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:11 AM
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22. Actually, I say they get on a plane next week and do a couple Alaska spots...
If they can beat John Edwards in North Carolina. We can stomp all over them in Alaska. Go friggin North Pole Alaska and hang out with some Eskimos! I'm serious. Just for a day, but the video would be fantastic.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:13 PM
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7. North Dakota is trending well and has the added benefit of being a cost efficient
market where a little time and money + organizational advantage go a long, long way.

Keep competing in ND.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:14 PM
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8. Why drop ND? Ed Schultz is adamant its in play
And thats where he lives
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ravishane Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:21 PM
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35. yes, indeed
Fargo and Grand Forks border Minnesota and have the exact same demographics as Western Minnesota plus they are college towns. It would be a cheap state to campaign in (Fargo, Grand Forks, Bismark, and Minot are the only real sizable cities).
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:59 PM
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3. Wow this guy has a serious plan
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:24 PM
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9. And he works serious hours
I expect to see him going 18 hours a day from now on.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:03 PM
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5. kick
thanks for this...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 06:45 PM
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13. thanks for that
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 06:15 PM
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11. Excellent! A couple thoughts ...
From those graphs, the Safe Blue states total 188 electoral votes, while the Safe Red states total 142 electoral votes (Obama +42). The battleground states are Obama 101, McCain 107 (McCain +6). So it's the difference in Safe states that are winning it for Obama right now, even though McCain has a slight lead in the swing states.

This has been the case all season long:



It makes a huge difference to see Wisconsin as Safe Blue.

:thumbsup:
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 06:23 PM
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12. Kicking. This is where the Obama campaign shines.
They have been pretty well spot on during the primary and the ground game will kick ass again.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 06:47 PM
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14. Agreed, their ground game is masterful
GoObama
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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 06:50 PM
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15. If McCain doesn't win Colorado, "he has a 5% chance to win the election."
This is, for me, the most important piece of information to take from all of this. Colorado is this year's must-win state, and I suspect that's why Denver was chosen for the convention.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 09:15 PM
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17. Must-win for McCain, not Obama. The REAL trouble for McCain...
is that Obama has many paths to victory, McCain has only one: he MUST hold on to the red states.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:14 AM
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23. correct Obama has options McCain has must wins
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:34 AM
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34. i think Colorado was a big factor in tha vp pick.
james dobson immediately threw his support to mccain as soon as palin announced. that factor alone could throw colorado their way.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 06:58 PM
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16. We Haven't Had Quality, Effective Leadership in 8 Years
So, you have to excuse us.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:07 AM
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27. your excused and soon we can't use that excuse.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:21 AM
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30. No kidding. Nice to have adults back at work.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 09:28 PM
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18. most insightful thread I've read today, for many reasons.
only problem is it doesn't deal with what I think are the two most important, inescapable drawbacks:

the role media will play on behalf of McCain

the role vote fraud will play (machines, caging, onsite harrassment, etc.). he deals obliquely with this when addressing turnout, but that means to me that there's going to have to be a LARGE margin of victory to overcome massive vote fraud

those two factors worry me more than anything at this point
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:05 AM
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21. well in terms of the media Obama has largely fixed that by not accepting federal funds

while most of us are going crazy about MSNBC or FOX or CNN the reality is very few people actually watch it.

He will have 3-4 times the media buy that McCain has.


The question about election fraud is just one that we have to disagree about. Yes in very isolated circumstances where a state machine is in place and a very narrow election is at stake a corrupt official can do something (and in the past it was frequently done by Democrats as well as Republicans).

It is quite something else to assume that there is a conspiracy among Republicans in multiple states. My brother is a Republican office holder and decades ago I was employed by Republicans and none of the people I was involved in or know today would tolerate that. There just isn't that much party solidarity that would allow a conspiracy to develop that would involve hundreds of people in dozens of locations. Washington State's last election for Governor was decided by a few dozen votes. There was ample opportunity for the Republicans to cheat if there was a real conspiracy.. In the end the Democrat won.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:30 AM
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32. Aw, dammit. I was ready to set my hair on fire with some concern juice and
run around the trailer screaming talking points until I read this.

Thanks for killing all my fun this afternoon.


(Kicked again....)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:08 PM
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19. Awesome analysis
Thanks for this thread. :thumbsup:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:42 AM
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24. thank you
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creature of habit Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:47 AM
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25. Texas

There are good people there and it is a great state - hard for me to believe MC is that far ahead there. Where are they polling?


the only reason I could believe the polling data is accurate is because of the oil boom down there - voters want things to stay exactly as they are
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:50 AM
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26. I could kiss you - you have given me an excuse to bring out an old post

phrigndumass and I worked on an analysis of what they are missing in Texas and here it is again

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/grantcart/133

welcome to DU
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:08 AM
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28. K & R!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:13 AM
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29. Excellent post K&R Good to have something real to look at for a change.
Instead of that Fundie nutbag spokesmodel and her grandpa.

Thanks!!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:22 AM
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31. what something happened, did I miss something?

The real point here is, of course, to remind folks we have a plan and the people running that plan are the best. Period.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:32 AM
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33. Fundies have been pushing Palin for months, and in CO the strongest. Worried.
I lived there '77-84, watching Dobson's rise. Pretty scary even back then.

Hope there are enough people of faith who won't go there, because Palin is to the extreme. Creationism, etc.

I'd seriously worry about the demise of McCain, natural or otherwise.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:24 PM
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36. The whole campaign has now been narrowed to these 18 states
The point about Colorado is that Pouffe was saying that it is an option for Obama but for McCain he must win it. There is no reasonable way to the nomination that he can take without Colorado.

Colorado has changed alot and has always been independent. Udall's campaign and the convention in Denver will IMHO have much more impact than Palin who will soon be exposed.


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ravishane Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:26 PM
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37. three states left out:
Minnesota, South Dakota, and South Carolina. I wonder why?

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:33 PM
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38. MN is not swing SD too few EV and SC probably too hard
just guessing

welcome to DU
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