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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:05 PM
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Today, I am ashamed to be a DU member
I've been here a long time. Not a prolific poster, but a prolific reader. And from what I've read today, I don't belong here anymore.

Women being bashed for their right to choose having a family and a career with the support of their spouse.

Women being called sluts, bimbos and brood mares.

Women having their appearance dissected and witchhunts for compromising photos.

Innocent young girls being slandered with rumors & innuendos.

Enough. I want to win. But I don't want to win this way. And if you do, then I don't want any part of it.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:07 PM
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1. Sadly you can't control all posters but there are some good people here
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:08 PM
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2. I know...It's ridiculous!
I feel exactly the same way! It is such a turn off.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:08 PM
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3. What? You're putting humanity before party?
What's gotten into you?

(To be clear, I agree with you right down the line.)
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:09 PM
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4. Its human nature to do this.. Personally, I have such disdain and disrespect
for McCain to even entertain the possibility to select a VP that could ruin this country even more than he would, if something were to happen to the old coot. I can remain above the fray.. But I think her disrespect to Hillary supporters is astounding and bellow the belt.. to suggest that she has been an advocate for women and a leader in this nation on issues that really do mean so much to Hillary is absolutely disgusting. I really have no respect for either. Its political pandering and it could ruin this country... if they manage to steal another election.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:10 PM
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5. Vast majority of posters are very respectful. How come you didn't leave DU when trolls
made racist comments about the Obamas?
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Because I can tell the difference
between a troll and DU member in good standing.

Can you?
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Question .... where was all your outrage in the heat of the primaries?
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 03:17 PM by doublethink
Just asking? :shrug:
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:25 AM
Response to Reply #14
86. Particularly when Obama was compared to Christ, air-head celebrity, presumptous, questionable
parentage. I don't understand the poster's "disappointment"

I know you were probably referring to HRC's being trashed, but my point is that why was she not outraged for our Democratic candidates? (And that may have been your point also.)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #86
122. Irrelevant n/t
One thing does not excuse the other.

Let's condemn all things contemptible if that is what they are.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #122
130. So you propose condemning all things contemptible and NOT fighting back? The high road leads to
nowhere in winning this election! The high road doesn't win elections! Period!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #130
140. Total misreading
.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #140
143. Clarify?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #143
190. Example: Lies and distortion
are not best met with more lies and distortion.
The way to fight back and fight back hard is always from the high ground.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #122
157. Why condemn when you can simply expand your ignore list?
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #86
132. Ya know .... when my mom calls me on the phone and tells me ....
about something she's heard on the T.V or the radio ..... my first question is always "Who said that" .... and I sometimes relay that type of thinking to DU. Check out a few posts I found yesterday through the search function which drove me away from this thread .... for awhile anyway to see how it played out.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

This one threw me for a loop .... as it relates to this present thread??
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

There's more but draw your own conclusions ...... or don't? Just makes ya wonder about those who sew discord on messages boards. Defending the other side whatever the topic, seeds of doubt etc ... etc...

I don't know maybe all these things are really relevant concerns to the OP? Peace. :shrug:
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #132
134. I would say that you are spot on...and a pizza is being prepared...
And thanks! When I see these kinds of posts I don't take the time to read very often. BUT I am glad that ppl like you watch and spot the pattern....truly, thank you.

PS If I miss the delivery of the pizza, please email me. TY.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:18 PM
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19. No, oftentimes I can't. Many folks were banned here, some were a surprise.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #5
160. or leave because of the hatefully sexist comments about Hillary or Ferraro? n/t
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:11 PM
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6. Oh Pleez
This place is chaos. It always has been. People post shit, think better of it, sometimes retract it, sometimes don't. It's a lunatic asylum where, every so often, something useful and good floats to the top of a sea of nonsense.



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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #6
194. I second that emotion!
Now please excuse me, I see many potential candidates for my ignore list here!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:13 PM
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8. Dan Quayle in a dress, etc.
I'm shocked, such hypocrisy from the same people who were offended by the thought of waving keys to spotlight McCain's seven to twelve homes.

Actullay, not shocked at all as far as bandwangons go.

Question: If they had waved the keys, do you think the media would be trying to portray McCain as someone with PTSD?


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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #8
67. What's wrong with comparing Palin to Dan Quayle?
They're both right-wing, inexperienced, incompetent tools.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. Absolutely nothing. It's a perfectly valid comparison.
Not knowing her, I don't know if she more often wears dresses or pantsuits, but that's my only quibble.

How about "female" Dan Quayle....? ;)
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #71
76. I heard she's not even qualified to iron Hillary's pantsuits.
But seriously. She has enough REAL issues and reasons that thinking people wouldn't vote for her that we don't need to devolve in our commitment to supporting women in their choices.

We need better jokes, higher brow humor. Or something.


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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #76
126. Absolutely.
But I don't think the Quayle comparison is sexist - I think it's accurate.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:13 PM
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9. Awww
:nopity:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:36 PM
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41. Deleted message
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:13 PM
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10. Only today you are ashamed? Were you not here during the primaries?
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:09 AM
Response to Reply #10
99. Oh DebbieDee, haven't we seen it all, now? It's just sad. Real feminists have no party that really
respects them.

Oh sure, the Dems are by far better than the Rethugs. But I will never fortget the heartache I have felt over the sexism that was rampant among Dems - and atrocious here at DU.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #99
149. We always have you, chimpymustgo, to be Holier than thou,
though.
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LongDistanceRunner Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:13 PM
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11. it's not women, it's Sarah Palin
you are defending the wrong team
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:19 PM
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25. Wrong
The poster is not defening Palin; she's defending principles and procedure. Why is that so hard to understand? You can attack Palin all you want, as long as you restrict it to issues/policy/positions. But to get into bashing of her because of her appearance or her choice not to stay home with her kids, etc. verges on personal attacks that we ourselves would decry if done against a female Dem.

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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. Exactly. Thank you. n/t
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:29 PM
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37. My pleasure
I am a firm believer in fairness in our political dealings. The ends do not justify the means. So if a certain tactic is vile when done by your opponent, it is vile when you do it.

I'll be honest -- other than hearing the name, I didn't know a blessed thing about Palin until today. So I'll do some reading over the weekend. I will not join the pitchfork crowd in attacking this woman for being a pageant winner or a mom with small kids.



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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #37
95. The ends DO justify the means, at this point. It' s called fighting fire with fire and striking back
:nopity:

The Repukes have CRUCIFIED Obama with a SMEAR campaign this entire election, and it is time to strike back--something that the Repukes did not expect. Do you honestly believe that Palin was McInsane's pick all along? McCain's slogan about "Country First" is a joke! He dumped his faithful wife for a TROPHY wife rodeo beauty queen - all for political ambition, and he's doing it again! And I can just about guarantee you that his advisors were opposed to it. I think she was an 11th hour choice out of desperation - all for political gain, he hopes. So, it looks to me that McInsane is pulling out all the stops, and it's every man for himself. HUGE gamble that speaks of his decision-making capabilities, IMO. Palin also has some skeletons in her closet, and we have less than 2 months to dig them out and use them against her. That's just the way it is. Again, look at what the Repukes have done to Obama.

If the Dems keep taking the high road to nowhere, we will never take back the White House. Look what happened to Kerry....to Howard Dean....if we don't fight back, we look weak. And I am not interested in nuances. We are in it to win it, and it won't be pretty if we are serious about winning.

I AM a woman, and I can't imagine ANY woman with an infant or small children even CONSIDERING the VP role, particularly after Palin has played up her role as "just a hockey mom....." etc. And this hockey mom is one heartbeat away from becoming the POTUS!?!

NOTE: Michelle Obama is not running for office - she will continue to be the wife to the President and mother to their children. The demands are not the same as that of the VP.
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #95
162. Your own candidate doesn't
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 05:41 PM by Balderdash
want us to behave like Republicans. Do you really believe in Obama or do you just pay lip service to hope and change.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #162
191. "Do you really believe in Obama or do you just pay lip service to hope and change."
MY interpretation of hope and change = no more rich war-mongering rich-get-richer-poor-get-poorer Repuke crooks in the WH = Obama taking our country in a new direction = hope and change.
Obama has to WIN to take the White House.

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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #25
89. Wrong. The gloves are off - the high road doesn't win elections. n/t
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #25
188. I agree with you but I don't.
Here is the thing. I don't think anyone should be attacking her on certain things, but if she wants to force 1950's values on the rest of the women in this country, then I think she should live by them herself. I have always been disgusted with RW women who are all out to keep other women from having the rights that they themselves have all the benefits of. If she, like the RW men, make decisions on how the rest of the women in this country can live their lives, then she should set a good example and be that perfect June Cleaver mother she still believes in.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:14 PM
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12. ??? Innocent young girls being slandered
If Palin is lying, repeatedly on the public record about her pregnancy, it's very much a matter of public concern.

That was the thing with John Edwards. Not what happened but 1. He deliberately and repeatedly mislead the public and 2., knowing the history of Gary Hart and others, willfully put the Democratic Party at risk, and in doing so the Republic.

Sarah Palin's candidacy, gives every indication of not being properly vetted.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:18 PM
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18. IF?
This is an innocent 17 year old girls reputation that's being bashed.

Newsflash. Teenagers surf the net. They love to gossip. Do you have any how devasting this will be to her daughter once these "rumors" get out? Palin is a big girl and she will address what needs addressing. But her kid? You really think this is OK?
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. Ask Chelsea
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Did you like it then? Was that right?
Because I hated it.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. There's no comparison
Chelsea was inundated with lies. Chelsea is not a public figure. Questioning whether Palin lied about her pregnancy, the pregnancy she said was hers, is questioning statement by a public official on the public record.

Why would she lie, Not so much to protect her daughter. She portrays her self as a super moral fundamentalist, and a model mom. "Saint Sarah" they call her up there. If she is lying she is protecting HER own political career.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:36 PM
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40. Palin's daughter is not a public figure either
If you can't see how these RUMORS would hurt her, then I can help you.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:49 PM
Original message
The RUMOR is that PALIN LIED REPEATEDLY about being pregnant.
herself, herself, herself - AS GOVERNOR ON THE PUBLIC RECORD. Why can't you see the problem.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:57 PM
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56. BECAUSE THE RUMOR BEING CIRCULATED STATES
THAT HER 17 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER IS THE MOTHER! IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PALIN!

If you can't understand how that sort of thing would affect her daughter, I give the fuck up trying to explain it!

cap lock off. i need a drink.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #39
94. If there is no comparison, then why did you make it?
You were the one who brought Chelsea up.

-----

News flash on the picture. If YOU were trying to hide an unplanned pregnancy, would YOU wear a tight shirt?

Or would you dress as Sarah was in that picture, in loose-fitting clothing? Like most pregnant women do?

I'll also say this. Not all pregnant women get as big as a house. My friend whose daughter I proudly call my god-niece was still able to hide her "bump" with clothing if she wanted to even after six months. She was built very much like Sarah in that pre-pregnancy she was very slender. She is relatively tall, about 5'6, but I don't know how tall Sarah is. Her baby shower was when she was 6 and 1/2 months pregnant and if she hadn't chosen to wear a clothing style specifically showing off her belly, no one would have known. As a matter of fact, it was only during the last two weeks of pregnancy that she gained most of her weight -- she gained 15 lbs in water weight during the last two weeks of her slightly more than full term pregnancy, and that was because she went into preeclampsia.

It is reported that Palin's son was born slightly premature, at only eight months along. Given my friend's experiences, I can believe that she didn't show all that much, and was able to hide it with skillful clothing if she chose. Admittedly most women who had kids saw my friend's experience with weight in pregnancy and were all horribly jealous -- at least until she became "the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Woman" as she called it near the end due to the preeclampsia -- but not all women, even slender ones, show a great deal. Additionally, most babies with Down's Syndrome, even if they are full-term, have a low birth weight for gestational age.

-----

In a way, you are correct that there is no comparison between what Chelsea went through as First Daughter and what these rumors suggest.

... and yes, I will go here, because I saw someone else go there with this when asking about if Down's Syndrome was related to "interfamily" relationships. And I hope you all will forgive the imagery.

This is much more like suggesting that the blue dress was actually worn by Chelsea and put into Monica's closet to protect Bill.

And now I need to go throw up, to think that our party is actually pulling this bull.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #18
29. It's not just the internet she needs to be concerned about...
Thom Hartmann discussed this rumor on national radio today.

It was my intent in my thread (which I deleted and requested locked) was to analyze the "proof" that Thom Hartmann's guest presented today.
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #18
30. The rumors have apparently been floating around their capital.
I doubt seeing it on the internet will be that huge a shock.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #30
111. I haven't been able to find any evidence online that those rumors existed before a couple of days
ago. This story seems to have emerged and been pushed all at once, in response to Palin becoming McCain's running mate.

I did find comments on Alaskan sites and blogs criticizing Palin for her pregnancy as soon as she announced it in March -- saying on the one hand that she shouldn't have become pregnant because it would interfere with her duties as governor, and on the other that she became pregnant to help her approval ratings -- but there were no hints that anyone thought this was a fake pregnancy. And there was a comment on one site and a picture on another about her wearing dark, baggy clothing and scarves for a while before the announcement, with no one bothering to wonder what that might mean.

If this rumor has supposedly been around for a while, I'd like to see some proof of that.
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #111
116. I'm sure you actually searched and somehow missed this posting from 4 months ago.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #116
128. No, I hadn't seen that. Is that it? There were supposedly lots of rumors, and that was it?
Messages from two anonymous posters on one site?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #18
52. "Palin is a big girl"
hey now, I'm overweight! LOL
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #18
90. Welcome to the NFL.
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onefreespiritedchick Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #18
121. My thoughts exactly n/t
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #18
189. If they took her out of school while her mother was pregnant
and gave birth, then the gossip is probably already out there. My sister had a baby when I was a teenager, and when I quit school the gossip spread like wildfire. The two had nothing to do with each other and did not even happen at the same time, but that did not matter to the gossipers. :0

But I do agree this is one thing that doesn't need to be discussed and is not something I want to be a part of it. Leave it to the National Enquirer.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:29 AM
Response to Reply #18
195. This isn't about the daughter
What's more disgusting -- an implication that :gasp: a teenager might have had sex and gotten pregnant or being said teenager and having your own mother be so ashamed of you that she would herself fake a pregnancy and claim your baby as her own? Teenagers have sex and get pregnant. That's not the issue here, the issue is, did Palin FAKE a pregnancy and lie to the world in an attempt to cover up what might have been slightly politically embarrassing for her? It's not a brave motherly thing to fake a pregnancy. A brave mom would say "my daughter is pregnant and this is a personal matter" and that brave mom wouldn't give a shit whether it caused political fallout. Faking a pregnancy borders on psycho if you ask me. I don't know whether this story is true or not but this is huge and because there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that seems fishy I think this needs to be looked at and discredited if it is false (and an apology to Palin for suggesting she's a lying psychopath) or brought to the light of day. This isn't a PTA position we're talking about, this is a position that could put Palin one heartbeat away from leadership of the entire country.

The daughter is innocent regardless of whether this baby story is true or not. It's not her reputation that's at risk here, it's Palin's.

This part of the story needs to be investigated because if it is true it is a lie of such magnitude that it makes Palin unfit to be trusted with leadership.
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #12
45. Yeah, and IF Barack was born in [insert other country], then he's not qualified ...
... i mean, these type of rumors are the VERY sort of thing that the PUMA/Right Wing is dishing out against Barack.

Gimme a break.
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poiuytsister Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #45
146. You mean like Panama?
Oops, sorry. That's McCain.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:14 PM
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13. I'm very lucky
that I have not clicked on the nasty stuff you've had to be exposed to today. Sorry some are so insensitive and crass. No excuse for it. Be well and hope the shitstorm ends soon.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:14 AM
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100. The sexist shitstorm started when Hillary got in the race. This is just another ugly turn.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:15 PM
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15. just take a timeout for a few days, they will get it out of their system
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:43 PM
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48. Good advice, LSK.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:12 PM
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66. Awww but the "we're so superior" back-patting posts are so FUN!
Pfft.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:16 PM
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69. Great way to dodge the issues of the original post
It only makes you look like a guilty party who has to resort to attacking the messenger rather than the message. Ad hominem indeed.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:24 PM
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70. The message is bankrupt.
Yeah there's always people who go over the line.

Pretending it's a movement worthy of a nanny's scolding is transparent.
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:46 PM
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164. Let them get the sexism out of their system?
.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:16 PM
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16. You shoulda seen what they did during the primaries.
It's no surprise that the immediate reaction of a few hard core kooks was to go after Palin's womb and her children instead of her policies.

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PolNewf Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:51 PM
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53. what policies?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:16 PM
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17. Want an omelette you need to be prepared to break some eggs
With two months left to the election it is going to get A LOT worse (from both sides) before it gets better.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:08 PM
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60. If one of those eggs is called integrity, and you break it, it won't be there anymore.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:18 PM
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20. I hear you.
There is a nasty side of DU and it's out in full force today.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:19 PM
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21. The power of stupid has been strong here today. I think people are giddy
from last night and from the gift of an utterly inexperienced VP pick on the other side. Once they sober up, hopefully they'll realize how stupid some of their posts were.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:19 PM
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22. 2 words....big tent....that includes idiots and scholars
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 03:20 PM by spanone
a male veep choice would have brought out the same vitriol
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:19 PM
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23. Welcome to DU!!
Seriously, as a "prolific reader", you haven't seen this here dozens of times before?

Give it a few days and it'll die down...it always does.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:25 PM
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34. Thanks for the warm welcome
Belated, but warm.

I swear, they need to post the join date alongside the post count.

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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:19 PM
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24. Your problem can easily be remedied.
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 03:20 PM by 11 Bravo
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timber84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:24 PM
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31. Then leave
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 03:25 PM by timber84
I could not take the primaries, so I stayed away till they were over.
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glancingthefuture Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:25 PM
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32. Thanks for your post. K and R. I want the dems to win also--BUT NOT THIS WAY.
I saw enough of this crap during the primaries. And where did it get the dems? It left them with a lot of disenchanted Hillary supporters who McCain is actively courting.


BTW-you forgot 'whore' I saw a poster calling Sarah a whore today.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:36 PM
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42. I have two sons whom I don't wish to see fed into a meat grinder ...
and four nieces whom I don't wish to see stripped of their reproductive rights. Fuck fair, I just want to win.
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glancingthefuture Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:57 AM
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105. I am
concerned also, but I will not fall into the cess pool of demeaning women like i have seen here on Du.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:25 PM
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33. If you expect everyone in ANY group to conform to your personal standards...
...then you guarantee your own disappointment.

Modify your expectations to match reality and your problem will disappear.

AND, lives literally depend upon McCain not winning, so please prioritize what you choose to find outrageous.

eom.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:30 PM
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38. Expecgting a group to perform to my standards
would be insanity.

But that does not preclude my speaking out against behaviour that I find to be offensive.


Free speech anat...
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:44 PM
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49. For that I commend you. I just hope you don't leave DU!!
:loveya:

:hug:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:53 PM
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54. but don't let the comments of a few make you throw a blanket statement against the whole of DU
I have been attacked for my faith on here, but it's representative of DU, just a small percentage of posters, but as long as it doesn't go overboard, it's their right to say they disagree with me. Now, overt sexual jokes, and strong mocking of Palin being female is not permitted, and should be simply alerted.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:26 PM
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35. Two years aint that long...just sayin' n/t
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:28 PM
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36. Hang in there
There's others of us that feel the way you do. This kind of discussion comes up often. There are too many (in my opinion) on this board who haven't integrated the values of the Democratic Party. We need to call them on it.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:38 PM
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43. Don't judge all DU members by the childish actions of an uninformed few
I'm just sayin...
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:39 PM
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44. You DO belong. You make the difference
B2G,

This DU is a big tent. Full of people of all stripes -- which inevitably means of all "prejudices" - and all levels of principle and intellectual honesty.

The current political environment (on ALL sides, although NOT all people on all sides) - is to attack the person, not the ideas or decisions.

And, there are those misguided people who look at the past few years and think that the only way to win is through personal destruction.

The thing is, it's people like YOU - who are disgusted and appalled at this type of sh*t, that make the difference.

So - be proud. Be proud that you stood up here and condemned these types of posts.

And - be strong. Keep saying it. Start posting responses! Consider it practice :) ... responding to ignorance with intelligent thought is how we're going to win in November.


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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:41 PM
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46. Thank you Tes
It's people like you that keep me coming back.

:-)
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:43 PM
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47. I understand.
My 22 year old Young Republican co-worker is all hyped and excited because McCain picked a beauty queen running mate, and I nearly barfed.

But I have noticed that there are guys who liked Bush because they thought his daughters were hot babes. It's a guy thing, and even though I "understand", it makes me squirm.

SOME guys just don't know how to not see gender. It's not in their programming. The best they can do is put the thought aside after it happens, and reach for a better one. And when the woman is attractive, the pause between thought #1 and thought #2 gets bigger.

Having sexually related thoughts about an attractive woman running for president is not restricted to Republican males. Clearly, Democratic males do to.

Give them 72 hours to get it out of their systems. We're all in shock right now. If, after Labor Day, they are still making ridiculous sexist comments, then it might be time to find a more feminist site.

Not all Democrats are feminists.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:44 PM
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50. have you read very thoroughly when you've been here? Because
comments like you quote above appear on DU every day- there is nothing new.

I've been here a few seasons myself, and I've come to understand that there will be some really outrageous statements made, in ways that I find very offensive, but they are a part of our American society.

I personally, find the choice of Sarah Palin to be offensive to ALL women. She was chosen ONLY because she is a woman, and was chosen over other far more appropriate, qualified and experienced WOMEN because she is more visually appealing than they were.

I find this FACT offensive, degrading and infuriating.


I also, as mother, feel that I have every right to voice my perspective on her choice to drag her family, including a four month infant into the chaos and frenzy of a Presidential campaign. I believe it is a selfish, poorly thought through decision. And I don't think my chosing to say that is in any way 'sexist' or a mandate that women cannot work outside the home.

I'm not ashamed of DU- If someone says something I feel is wrong, or offensive, I have the chance to offer my reasons for why I disagree- or not. Shame is personal. If you are ashamed, what have you done to cause you to feel that way, or what are you doing to help you NOT feel that way?


:hi:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:47 PM
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51. "I don't belong here anymore"
You choose your path. I've seen only the threads talking about the sexism, and I've read several threads today. So, in saying I realize they're there, they're clearly not even remotely the majority! Take a break if it bothers you, but you'll be back, as 95% of us are compassionate respectable people. And even half of the other 5% are just making silly remarks that they know better than to do, the other people are just wrong...

take care!



"We are more compassionate than a government that lets veterans sleep on our streets and families slide into poverty. That sits on its hands while a major American city drowns before our eyes.

Tonight, tonight, I say to the people of America, to Democrats and Republicans and independents across this great land: Enough!"

Obama/Biden items at www.cafepress.warisprofitable
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:55 PM
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55. I agree with you
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 03:55 PM by GoPsUx
We have learned the wrong lessons from our enemies
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:59 PM
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57. Well, I am a stay at home Mom Democrat who has a right to an opinion.
And leaving a Downs infant to run for VP is not in line with my values.

Sorry, if you don't like it, but it is a real belief that I have.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:48 AM
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120. I heard the same thought expressed by two different women yesterday.
I got some static here for suggesting that putting career over family could be a problem for Palin with some voters. While I personally believe that when it comes to job and family, each women ought to be free to make her own choices, I think it's fair to take a look at where Palin's priorities lie.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:04 PM
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:10 PM
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65. Ayup. nm
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:07 PM
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59. Bye. You have been here for a little over two years
Not really that long to most around here. Looks like you just want to stir the pot up by injecting sexism into the debate. Nice try but Palin is being bashed because of her inexperience. If there are a few sexist comments around then grow up and deal with it. Go vote for McCain if it offends you and enjoy setting women's rights back 40 years. That makes sense.
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OHDEM Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:09 PM
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61. I have a theory...
Anywhere you go in life there's always a certain percentage of a**holes. Let's say it's 10% for the sake of argument. So at work you have 10% a-holes, at school-10%, in politics-10% & here at DU-10%. It's not even that people are bad, but that they sometimes react badly without thinking about how it looks & then often the mob mentality follows. (With Repubs, I think the theory is reversed - 10% are normal!)

That being said, folks do have the right to think about personal choices Palin has made although they are not particularly relevant, IMO to the election. Many repubs questioned John Edwards decision to continue campaigning with a sick & dying wife. I didn't completely agree with them, but can understand that others might make a different choice particularly when you consider the stress & time involved in a Presidential campaign & the job itself. I think the Palin situation is the same thing.
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mokawanis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:09 PM
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62. I think you're wrong to leave
You'd have to go live the life of a hermit to entirely avoid racism, sexism, ageism, etc. Those undesireabe traits exist everywhere. Better to stand up and be vocal against that stuff than retreat. Ashamed to be a DU'er? Bullshit I say.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:09 PM
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63. The idea that someone is immune to criticism because the person is a woman...
Is precisely what McPOW is banking on.
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:01 PM
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167. Then attack her policies not her womanhood
.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:10 PM
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64. Fucking ridiculous.
How nice of some broad-brushing DUers to give you an opening to start this thread.

Good luck upping your post count.

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:47 AM
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119. .
:applause:


They're not even trying anymore. :rofl:
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:16 PM
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68. Agree. Some bozo posted about her stupidity for having a child at age 44.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:40 PM
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72. *YAWN* Nice hyperbolic hand-wringing. Most of DU is abuzz about A WOMAN not "women"
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:47 PM
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73. She didn't HAVE to appear half dressed on a magazine cover.
She CHOSE to do that. And there are consequences to your choices in life. A woman who wants to be governor, VP or President does NOT pose like that.

Women's liberation is NOT about the liberty to appear half clothed. It's about women being treated with dignity and respect.

It's about women NOT being treated as sex objects. It's NOT about MAKING women sex objects, as if they have nothing MORE to contribute to society.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:51 PM
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74. They are the same people
every time.

Ignore function is your friend.

The same people come out of the woodwork and make it a big deal whenever possible. Try to look at it this way - there are far more people like you and me who find the discourse to be ugly.

There are some very mean spirited and immature posters here but they are the minority. They are very vocal though and they get away with name calling and brutal attacks. I suppose they donate more than I do and that is why they are allowed to stay.

:)
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 07:27 PM
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75. Careful....you might use up this months ration of righteous indignation.
This. is. an. online. message. and. discussion. board. This is not a church social. It will get nasty and messy.

And for the record, I basically agree with you. However, DU is what it is. Leave it, accept it and/or change it.

Be the solution and write something constructive to initiate change. But please, save the righteous indignation and over-the-top hyperbole.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:14 AM
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77. I could fucking care less about your whining (n/t)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:18 AM
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78. I'm sure it's been asked but I'm sure you were equally ashamed
during the primaries. If not, better late than never, I guess.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:23 AM
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79. Well, you can do what you want to us,
but we're not going to sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:31 AM
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80. In other words, you're very judgmental and you draw bad conclusions.
You should work on that problem. It's a personal matter.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:36 AM
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81. Have you done this on Reich-wing boards where women are no better than cattle?
just asking. Oh and this is politics. I guess we should play by your rules. :eyes:
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:00 AM
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82. Love some of these responses.
Don't let the door hit ya, leave, you've only been here 2 years, all from the usual. How warm and welcoming, how progressive, how big tent. Of course, I could just hide the thread.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:11 AM
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83. Posters need to be reminded that critcisms frequently rely on types of bias to amplify their power
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 06:12 AM by CreekDog
and that's wrong. (i mean bias related to innate characteristics that are not relevant)

i'll bet many don't intend to do that, but do. if you point it out, thoughtful people will avoid the behavior.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:16 AM
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84. I see a little more calm here this morning. Some of yesterday's posts were
Some of yesterday's threads were bash-fests; some were just plain old childish. There's a little 12-year-old in all of us and I think it became apparent yesterday. How many times was I tempted to join in? Hundreds. I resisted (well... mostly... I caved a couple of times). Oy!
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:28 AM
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87. If Palin is a liar, even if it was about her daughter
then it's a legit issue and guess what? The nearly adult daughter would HAVE to be an active participant, so she can deal with it too.

I think the focus should be on her being a rabid Theocrat/Corporate Fascist but being a liar and becoming an anchor because of it is a good thing for us.

Taking her off the board would put a hurting on them.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:03 AM
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98. Please see post 94. I really don't want to have to type that again.
I am disgusted enough as it is.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:20 AM
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85. Sorry. No sympathy here. Time for the gloves to come off. The REPUKES never put them on!
:nopity:

That's why the Dems continue to lose elections, IMO. We "take the high road" to nowhere!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:28 AM
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88. that was yesterday; feel better now?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:33 AM
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91. Welcome to the NFL.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:34 AM
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92. I am not ashamed i am validated.
I always knew the level of sexism here and this validates my suspicions. See the problem is that is is enabled from the top down. I can hate Failing as a repuke but just because she is a woman is no reason to hate her.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:44 AM
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93. I Wish You'd Taken the Time To Speak Up When Hillary Clinton Was the Target
And if you did, I apologize.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:54 AM
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96. Palin is the opponent. Don't forget about that.
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Feminists4Theocracy Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:01 AM
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97. I agree...
There's so many things wrong with Sarah Palin that I don't think we need to attack her over things like that... :-)...I mean, the jokes write themselves by virtue of the policies she advocates.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:17 AM
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101. We sometimes forget "the sisterhood of the travelling voter".
Former Illinois Senator Carol Mosley Braun was elected primarily by women of both parties, including the very Republican DuPage County, angered by incumbent Senator Alan Dixon's confirmation of Clarence Thomas and the treatment of Anita Hill in the hearings.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:36 AM
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102. In a society there are an abundance of people some of the good some bad->
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 07:40 AM by barack the house
Surely the more sensible solutions is alert or block than to totally throw in the towel. In everyday life you'll find a sexist or a racist why it would be diffent on here is confusing. We just march on and get to work for the greater good as Hillary has shown the fine and gracious example.

Hillary " If the dogs are backing keep going." Giving up isn't what Hillary advised.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:45 AM
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103. Truman " I don't give them hell, I just tell the truth and they will think it's hell"->
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 07:50 AM by barack the house
We can go after them but just simply with facts than made up smear really.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:03 AM
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104. DU has changed
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 09:03 AM by Evergreen Emerald
It was once a haven. Today I fear posting. Because I don't want to be judged by association.

Ideals that we once decried have become the norm. DU was a place "we" could go to find progressives with similar values and ideals in the crazy through-the-looking-glass-world of Bush and his followers.

We have become what we once decried.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:00 AM
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109. McCain picks a RW Fundamentalist Nut Job as his VP
and you want to go easy on her because she's a girl. She could be fucking President and she believes the earth is 6000 years old. Our Presidents 200 years ago didn't believe that.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:38 AM
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129. No. I want to talk about what a fundi nut job she is
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 11:38 AM by Evergreen Emerald
I don't want to talk about how she is a whore or a slut or talk about her vagina.

I want to discuss issues, not reduce ourselves to arguments invented and perfected by those fundis you seem to want to emulate.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:59 AM
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106. Shame. Now what is that?
I had that surgically removed in law school.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:59 AM
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107. Get a fucking helmet.
This is American Politics.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:59 AM
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108. What posts are you referring to? I haven't seen nary a post saying such things...except yours. nt
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Martinucho Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:01 AM
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110. She was also compared to a stripper
For no reason.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:17 AM
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112. Concerned? Well, bridges are difficult to keep over one's head.
Get over oneself and stop with the tired lines.
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RinaX Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:21 AM
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113. I agree completely. This is what I posted in a similar thread a few moments ago:
Even though I have very few posts, I've been registered at DU for about four years now, and I don't think I've ever been so sad in my life. I appreciate the post that objectively look at how Palin's unqualified based on how she's handled issues while she's been in office. But the stuff about her possibly faking her pregnancy, calling her a bimbo, a whore...I think I've wandered into Freeperville. Now, I agree completely that she was a desperation token woman pick by McCain, but I refuse to be distracted by her, and wish that people would take a deep breath and remember who the real enemy is..McCain and the machine behind him whose agenda Palin will have no influence on changing.

And what made me sad was, the member who also posted that she was upset about Palin's treatment by DU members was attacked one after another as a "concern troll". I hate this. The thing that's really getting to me is that people seem to be really ENJOYING the personal attacks.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:42 AM
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117. aw ... I hate it when people get "sad" from reading DU
It's just ... oh so SAD.

We're Democrats. She's a Republican running for VP. Get your head on right, and stop whining about the things said about the other side.
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RinaX Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:46 AM
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118. My head's on right, thanks
And as long as people keep making up ridiculous threads about her possibly faking a pregnancy instead of focusing on how much she's screwed up in her time as office and how little she'll be able to influence McCain regardless of how much she wants to paint herself as a maverick, I'll keep "whining".
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:50 AM
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123. well, then keep your crying towel handy, you'll need it
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 10:51 AM by TexasObserver
to go with your whine

It's a legitimate issue, and if you're too uninformed or unintelligent to know that, now is a good time to learn.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #123
150. And now
a poster who disagrees with you is called "uninformed" and "unintelligent" simply because they don't agree with you

We have become the thing we despise
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:46 PM
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165. "We have become the thing we despise"
Exactly right. Seems like the crazies that became prominent during the primary wars have taken over the site completely... No dissent from their opinions is allowed.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:42 PM
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184. It's a legitimate issue, and
if you're too uninformed or unintelligent to know that, now is a good time to learn.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:50 AM
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200. The poster having proved my point, the defense rests.
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:13 PM
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171. I think the uninformed and
unintelligent adjectives belong to you. How would Obama want you to
conduct yourself? Demeaning women and fellow Democrats, I just have
a feeling that he'd be appalled.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:25 AM
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:27 AM
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115. Where are these posts?
I haven't seen anyone calling her a slut, bimbo etc. Not ONE! And so what if one out of thousands do this? Statistically you are going to have one or two people who post that way in any forum.

I get the sense this is another Republican Troll trying to stir up shit here. Trolls usually don't have stars.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:58 AM
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127. That is exactly what happened to a thread of mine
I posted about God loving democrats because of our great convention and now this goofy pick by McCain.. and sure enough, about 2/3rds the way down some idiot posted some really sexist stuff against Palin. I had to go to work, but the mods came in and cleared them out.. THANK YOU MODS. but it was someone with 15 posts, and obviously a republican troll trying to start something up like that.
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onefreespiritedchick Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:54 AM
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124. As upset as we all are about this pick...
I felt last night...after lurking around most of the day, that some of us are no better then those who say BO is a "muslim" or refer to his "birth certificate". It is one thing to attack on her issues and policies, but leave the family out and her personal decisions in regards to caring for her child, etc, should not be touched I think DU is much more better than this.
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AmyCamus Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:56 AM
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125. You're very brave for making a post like this here.
I'm not surprised at all by the hateful responses you're getting.
Please let me apologize to you for the behavior of our fellow D.U. members in this thread.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:11 PM
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:53 AM
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131. Fine, challenge her credentials in a classy way
and leave the bimbo-bashing to others, but for pete's sake don't just give her a pass. Do you want to lose this thing?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:36 PM
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133. As odd as it seems,
we have a number of the Hooter's crowd here. There is quite a bit of anti-feminist rhetoric heaved about. Lots of braggadocio and swagger. It's not pretty and it's not helpful, but I guess it goes with the big tent. I think they really don't know how offensive they are. They think they are clever. Best you can do is let it sink since you will never get them to feel bad about anything they say. Reflection is not a part of their nature.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:13 PM
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136. You sure get sick/ashamed of DU alot ......
B2G (293 posts) Sat Mar-15-08 09:35 PM
Original message

Tonight, I am heartsick

With Obama, I had so much hope that this county could be brought together, black/white, gay/straight, man/woman, liberal/conservative.

Now, I don't know. Maybe the divides are too deep. How could he sit in that church for 20 years and listen to the things Wright said and not believe any of it? I want so much to believe that he could be the leader that represented all of us, not just afew segments. The one who could bring us together, not dwell on our differences.

I just don't know anymore. It makes me physically ache.


B2G (293 posts) Sat Feb-23-08 01:54 PM
Original message

All of these bogus charges of sexism & racism

do nothing but water down the true meaning of the words.

It's making me a tich sick.


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That second post is completely counter to your argument in this thread, seems the sexism during the primaries didn't bother you one bit .... unlike now????? Why do you think that is??? Links to those posts of yours in post #132 in this thread above. Interesting. Peace.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:33 PM
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137. Nice catch!
well done :)
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #137
187. Thanks! n,.t.
:hi:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 03:19 PM
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142. Heheh
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #136
145. "Heartsick" over Reverend Wright eh..
hmmm...
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:43 PM
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147. aw, that makes me sick, her getting all sick and ary thing
I'm thinking of a five letter word that rhymes with ROLL.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:25 PM
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153. Look at the dates of my posts
The sexist crap started in earnest way after that and you know it. Prior to that, my opinion was that most of the sexism charges were a reach. That changed signiifcantly late in the spring, and if you were paying the slightest bit of attention, you know that.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #153
158. And it you think
I was the only DU member who was disturbed by the Wright revelations, I've got a bridge you might be interested in.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #153
169. Uhhhhhhh don't think so ....... the charges of sexism/racism have ....
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 06:15 PM by doublethink
been going on since day one of the primaries past. Unfortunately Racism/Sexism isn't a 'seasonal thing' so your defense here fails.

Question ..... was yesterday the first post's of yours in the 'GDP Forum' because when I searched out this stuff it seems they may have been you firsts posts in here? At least for a few months? Interesting the subject matter you came in to defend ..... the Republican v.p.

A few other interesting posts popped up, and you're of course entitled to your own opinion but why were you the only poster (of over 20) in this thread to defend Mitt Romney ... :shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

seems everyone else in that thread was just having fun .... but this is what you said .....

B2G (293 posts) Mon Jan-28-08 03:21 PM
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20. Petty

I think they look fine. It always amuses me to see these threads...if they were Dems, you all would be fawing over how "hip" they look and gushing over her hairstyle.

Attack on substance, please. There is so much more to people than their outward appearance. -snip-

************************

I'll close by saying this .... we know you weren't backing Hillary in the primaries, you keep dissing Obama and get 'sick' while on DU quite a bit ...... I also learned that you think Global Warming isn't real and just caused by La Nina, Carter's economy was the worst ever (even worse than Bush's now) ..... okay I'll stop there. Quite intriguing the people who post on DU. Anyway in my quick search of your threads yesterday I really saw no sign of you actually holding 'progressive' values? You seem like a nice enough person for the 10 minutes I read all this stuff though. I know we are a big tent but be true to yourself.

Is the B2G thing a business reference or is it Religious in nature as it pertains to you? Just curious, 'through deceit they refuse to know me saith the Lord' Again I know we are a big tent but be true to yourself. Peace.









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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #169
172. I have posted my views quite publicly
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 06:15 PM by B2G
regarding my thoughts on many things. In fact I believe I put them all a thread awhile back. Since I'm under investigation, perhaps you could post it for us so everyone knows where I stand on the various issues de jour. I'll be happy to elaborate and add to the list as needed. Thanks ever.

PS - Jimmy Carter is an amazing human being, but the economy sucked in the 70s. Look it up.

PPS - B2G is a reference to my favorite song.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:30 PM
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173. So do you believe Regan saved us out of the Carter Economic years too?
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 07:05 PM by doublethink
That's a standard right wing talking point myth too by the way.

Myth: Carter ruined the economy; Reagan saved it.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm

No no .... investigation is over as far as I'm concerned. You may leave the witness stand. The jury is still out though.

I see this whole thread of yours as a giant cluster-f...k actually. If it was your intention to divide some of our DU community or you actual have these 'concerns' ... at least all bases were covered in the thread to cover either argument. Problem is most DU'ers just come in here .... react to the OP, and start throwing all this shit on the walls at one another. Wish they would all just go back and read every single post in threads like this. Well better post this one before the inevitable 'lock' comes. Peace again.

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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #136
161. I'm "heartsick" that the OP is a concern troll. LOL n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:37 PM
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138. Don't blame DU - blame Palin... she didn't have to say yes to Mccain
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:39 PM
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139. That's some passive-aggressive brow-beating you got going on there, mam.
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 02:50 PM by AtomicKitten
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 03:15 PM
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141. I haven't seen any threads where anybody has been
called slut, bimbo, or brood mare. I have seen several threads on Palin's decision to fly after her water "leaked" or broke. It is up for discussion because it highlights her lack of good judgment. If you don't like it....don't read it.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:37 PM
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144. A Sad Sign of the Times, my friend...
If this is the level of our discourse, then we have fallen far indeed.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:55 PM
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148. If you have a problem with people's posts...
take it up with them. Take them to task on a thread or in private. It's pretty cool and everyone does it. Or show evidence of these nasty posts. I've been bored out of my damned mind all day, and have read quite a lot of threads and I haven't seen Palin referred to as a slut, bimbo or whatever it is that you've got issue with. Quit lecturing the 90% of the people on the board who are actually taking the woman to task for her shitty governing. Otherwise, you simply provoke the thread that you have, which is about 100 people calling the "wah-mbulance" on you.

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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:17 PM
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151. Well, the adults are fair game. I haven't seen her children being attacked - though it wouldn't
surprise me. After Tim Russert died we had posters here who made fun of his son, speculated on who would pick his wife up on "on the rebound," and other such vile garbage. I finally had to tune out of DU for awhile.

There really are a very small, nasty, minority of us here who are no better than Freepers on their worst day, sadly.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:18 PM
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152. Hi puma.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #152
154. Hi asshat
PUMA? Lol.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:29 PM
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155. Politics is a contact sport.
So, don't let the door hit you in the ass!
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madura Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:33 PM
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156. this does happen, unfortunately. If it's one of 'our women' - a dem
then the fireworks starts if there is even a Hint of sexism or unfairness in regards to gender.

but when it's 'the enemy', the other, it's okay to be a sexist asshole.

There is PLENTY to criticize Palin about, her hair or her family or her sexuality should not be on the list.
Really weak stupid minds here, some really surprising ones that i had great respect for too.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:36 PM
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159. then you're far too delicate for politics. We're discussing things here...
.. that's what people do. And if it's in a living room or online, the conversations are being held. And this is how things work themselves out. If you find it offensive that people have an OPINION about leaving a 16 week old special needs baby, then you're right.. you don't belong here. We have opinions, and we're the Party that defends the right to have them. WE all have the right to express our opinions and discuss this stuff here... not talking about it doesn't make the questions go away. And the rumors about her daughter did not start here, but have been floating around.

THIS is how communities communicate, how information is passed, and how rumors are broken down. It's a process. THis is how we educated each other, self-regulate, and arrive at what is and is not true or acceptable.

I'm not ashamed of the people here for stating their opinions. Where the hell were YOU when hillary was called the most vile names in the book here? How about the poster that said Geraldine Ferraro (the FIRST female VP candidate) she couldn't "take a dirt nap fast enough" for him? Or the poster that jumped for joy when they heard that Ferraro has blood cancer?

Where were you?? WHere were the other delicate flowers who are now defending someone who has the potential to be the leader of the free world, but has the credentials of a small town mayor? Honestly, if you can't take it.. then sit it out. The "I am so ashamed of you!" posts don't work here. You're not our Mommy, nor are you our teacher. Avoid the discussions you hate, or contribute useful comments, but shaming us? Pfft. No thanks.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:41 PM
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163. Thank you for your "concern"
:eyes:
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 05:49 PM
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166. I'm with you on this. NT
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:02 PM
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168. And since I'm being bashed by so many here
I'll go out on a limb and further state that this crap is exactly why we can't get quality candidates anymore. Who in their fucking right mind would want to subject themselves and their families to this type of bullshit? The minute someone announces, the hounds from hell decend on them trying to dig up as much dirt as possible, start whipsper campaigns, ruin them personally.

I will be the first to admit that I fell prey to that when the Wright bullshit came out about Obama. It dismayed me...it dismayed alot of us. But I soon saw it for what it was. An attempt to smear a fine man using tenuous associations from his past, just like they're trying to do with Ayres. Just like they've tried to do with Hillary for the last 16.

It dismays me further when I see my party attempting to do the same thing to the opponent. What do I think about Sarah Palin? I think she's a horrendously underqualfied candidate who potentially abused her power as Governor to punish an ex-BIL. But I refuse to attack her family, her sexuality or her as a mother.

If that's so bad, then I'm perfectly fine being wrong and in the minority. And now I will say nothing further on this and ignore those who thrill at this line of attack.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:06 PM
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180. Here is PRECISELY your problem, and I quote:
"I refuse to attack her family, her sexuality or her as a mother."

That isn't what is happening, so your Straw Man is doomed.

Her honesty is being questioned, not her family, her sexuality or her motherhood.

If it turned out that Biden had been driving the car when his first wife was killed, would it be any less of a lie because of the tragedy of the situation?

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:07 PM
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170. I'm with you B2G
:kick:
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:31 PM
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174. LET IT SINK!!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:40 PM
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175. When Quayle was nominated for the same job with the same party,
he got as bad or worse as Palin, and properly so.

It's not about sex or gender.

It's about issues -- and the incompetence and deceit with which Republicans represent those issues.

I think an all-guns-blazing attack on Palin is wholly justified and would say the same had McCain chosen Huckabee or Lieberman or Hutchison. I have a lot of problems with a lot of Republicans. Deal with it.

The screen is showing a truly historically embarrassing Republican ticket. Palin is at least half of that incompetence. She's an inappropriate choice to serious Democrats because, as many DU posters have suggested, she was not chosen for her grasp of the world theater or for her insightful analysis of domestic crises.

She was chosen as a political prop for John McCain.

If you want a target of someone reducing women to objects, McCain is that target.

:dem: :bluebox: :bluebox: :bluebox: :bluebox:
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #175
176. What is wrong with some of you
The OP doesn't say not to attack McCains choice just leave the fucking sexism out of it
dog damit!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #176
177. The OP does a poor job of making any distinctions, IMO.
One might imagine that all DU posters call women "brood mares," for instance.

I do not believe there is evidence to support that claim, nor evidence to support the claim that a majority or even 5%, if that, of DU posters are discriminatory toward women or use coarse diction to describe women.

I don't see a case for that at all.


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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #177
178. If any DUer called a woman
ANY woman a "brood mare" that would be one too many.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #178
179. Yes, the deaf and blind are well represented on this thread.
What are you talking about? I haven't seen anything that says THAT! Well, OK, maybe one or two, but not a lot... All right, but not EVERYBODY on DU is saying it, so it's OK. And besides, it's a joke...and the Repugs do it...and anyone who is offended just shouldn't be here anyway.

Does that about cover it?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #178
181. The tone of the OP's scolding is that such diction occurs with
regularity.

Distinctions don't appear to be the OP's long suit.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:16 PM
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182. I tell you what gets old, people who trash everyone like DU is some monolithic group or something.
There are all typed of ass holes everywhere. I think you are stereotyping here and there is no way I would recommend this post.

You can beat yourself up, but leave me out of it, with your broad brushed statements.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:42 PM
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183. When most of us go into a public restroom stall are there not
coarse words, phrases, and drawings on the walls?

And have we not seen them since we were almost too young to quite even know what we were seeing or reading?

Yet isn't it so that by instinct we knew that those phrases and terms were not to be repeated at the supper table or in 3rd grade? And not long after that we knew pretty much exactly what we were reading and seeing.

Don't most adults in the country make distinctions between the language they might use for genitalia, for example, and the terms they read on restroom walls? Aren't most kids encouraged to use terms the doctor uses instead of the terms they hear at the bus stop?

It seems to me that exposure to crude drawings or terminology does not ruin the day of a stable person. As humans, we may have occasional need for the use of a restroom from time to time from early childhood onward but I think it is the rarest, rarest of souls who is undone or unhinged over what they see on the walls of those stalls.

Most folks finish in the restroom and then move right on with the rest of their day, no matter how many coarse words they've just read or who drew how many coarse sketches of body parts.

I'm not ashamed to be a human even if some other human might have drawn coarse images of genitalia on a restroom stall and I'm not willing to agree with the OP that anywhere NEAR a majority of DU members are the source of her disconnect with the site.

It might be a lot better for a majority of Americans, in fact, if the OP dedicated as much time to electing Democrats as to caterwauling over naughty diction.
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #183
196. You do realize that you've now compared DU to a bathroom...
Thankfully there does seem to be enough Progressives and Democrats who are still on this board, that haven't been run off by the new Rovian win by any means crowd, to still make this place somewhat doable.

McCain insulted women in both parties by by picking a woman with no qualifications because he thinks that women will vote for him because he has a women on his team. Women are smart and savvy and way ready for Prime Time and most aren't going to fall for an obvious pander.

But to come here, a home for Progressives and Democrats and see Progressives and Democrats not only engaging in sexism for politics sake but to even say it's ok, it's just graffiti on the wall, don't look. This is the Party of equality for all a place where women shouldn't even have to explain why sexism directed at ANY woman is wrong.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #196
197. Incorrect.
A public restroom in a mseum or concert hall or someone's home, for example, is not the same as the entire venue.

I'm not seeing how you could have missed that.

Sexism, IMO, is not the issue.

The issues are the issue and one of them involves the GOP's handling of same.

I'm not seeing how you could have missed that either.
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #197
198. Sexism is of course the issue
If we were talking about the real "issues" there would be no problem.
I'm not seeing how you could have missed that.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:43 PM
Response to Original message
185. Hear, hear.
Forgive them Goddess for they know not what they do.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:51 PM
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186. I've been here more than twice as long and
you need to have a thick skin. If you can't grow one than maybe this isn't the place for you, very sorry. :-(
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californiachill Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:59 AM
Response to Original message
192. I am proud
I am not ashamed to be a member of DU. This community has giving me valuable information. I too am a long time lurker.

I respectfully disagree about the way you characterized this community based on a few posts.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:01 AM
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AmyCamus Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #193
199. Women have been hearing "STFU" from your type for too long.
Thanks for being a bad example.
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