Please help with this email!

[AirmensMom]

I checked Snopes and can't find it.

My neighbor sent it to me. I've been trying VERY hard not to argue with her, as I'll have to live next to her for several years and would like to keep it friendly. I have repeatedly asked her not to send this kind of email to me and I always answer back with a link to Snopes when I can find it there.


Here is the text:
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This is pathetic
 
THE EXECUTIVE
SUMMARY

John McCain 



   U.S. Navy    22 years

                                     
          U.S.Senate  26 years
 
                                
 
Barrack Obama  

       
    Military      0


    U.S. Senate    143 days                
  
Just think how great a professional of any kind you could
be with only 143 days of experience!!!
People want change so badly? . . . . maybe we should
lower the experience requirement for doctors,
lawyers,airline pilots, etc. This would cause some
change!
 
Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience
 
Just how
much Senate experience does Barack Obama
have in terms of actual work days?
Not much.
 
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a
United States Senator, to the time he announced he was forming
a Presidential exploratory Committee, he logged 143 days
of experience in the Senate.
 
That's how many days the Senate was actually in
sessionand working.
 
The one single Senate committee that he
headed nevereven met -- once.
 
After 143 days of work experience,
Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the
Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR,
JFK and Ronald Reagan.
 
Think about it.......143 days -- 20.4 weeks -- 4.7 months
...
  
Our children spend more time in pre-school getting
ready for kindergarten.
We live with the consequences of our choices.

[eshfemme]

1. WTF? Do they not know how to count? Barack's had 4 years as a Senator.

How the fuck does 4 years translate to 143 days? Also, they bring up Abraham Lincoln who had even LESS experience as Barack Obama, which just highlights your neighbor's stupidity. Plus, Lincoln never had any military experience so isn't it counterproductive to your neighbor's point?

Secondly, what was the experience that John McCain had in the Navy? He fucking graduated in the 5th to last place from the Naval Academy and shouldn't have even qualified to be a pilot but his being a part of a Naval family with an Admiral father and grandfather meant that he got that job over much more qualified applicants. And instead of treasuring that, he went and crashed 5 planes. It was only the luck of the US government that he got captured before he crashed even more planes and thus, waste more taxpayer dollars.

Also, military experience tends to make either hawks or doves-- it's the military doves we want because they realize the price of war and don't enter it lightly. However, the hawks are all too eager to enter into war to capture some little bit of that glorious heyday they are nostalgic for and in their selfishness to recapture their youth, they will drag the country down with them. Guess what John McCain is?

Seriously, it's sad that I can think all of this up off the top of my head. The Republicans seriously need to come out with some more intelligent arguments. It's boring to be able to refute them using just 0.00000001% of my brainpower.

[AirmensMom]

4. She appears to be a die-hard Republican

and freely distributes these emails to everyone on her list. When I reply with a Snopes link, she writes back something like, "Oh, good! That's a relief!" ... which I already know is disingenuous of her. I

It's disturbing that she continues to send them to me after I've asked her not to.


Thanks. :hi:

[Lasher]

7. She has copied and pasted or forwarded an old propaganda piece.

They often contain dated information and the knuckle draggers who typically forward them are not usually bright enough to update them.

[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

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[AirmensMom]

41. Wrong.

YOU.ARE.WRONG.

Read the first part of the OP.

And while you're at it, please explain your comment, "they do this occasionally". I think you have me confused with someone else.

[Lasher]

2. 8 years ago experience was not so important.

Junior had done little except serve 2 terms as governor and run a couple of companies into the ground.

Edit to include this (It won't be pretty because I forgot the HTML tags for columns):

Experience: Congress Military

John McCain 26 Years 22 years

Barrack Obama 4 years 0 years

George W. Bush 0 years Dodged Vietnam service hiding out in Champagne unit of TANG.

Dick Cheney 10 years 0 years (5 deferments, had “…other priorities in the '60s than military service.”

Ronald Reagan 0 years Spent 4 years in Hollywood during WWII, making military training films.

[AirmensMom]

5. Good point!

:thumbsup:

PS ... since you were so nice to put it together, can I use it?

[Lasher]

22. Why certainly!

That is the very reason I shared it. Go git 'em!

While I'm at it, here is an email retort I just used in response to some silliness about Obama making fun of the bible. It is not my work and I can't remember where I got it. Prolly here at DU.

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WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?

There are many things people do not know about BARACK OBAMA. It is every American’s duty to read this message and pass it along to all of their friends and loved ones.

Barack Obama wears a FLAG PIN at all times. Even in the shower. Click here!

Barack Obama says the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE every time he sees an American flag. He also ends every sentence by saying, “WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.” http://neighbors.denverpost.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9718155&start=40&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p244233">Click here for video of Obama quietly mouthing the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE in his sleep.

A tape exists of Michelle Obama saying the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at a conference on PATRIOTISM.

Every weekend, Barack and Michelle take their daughters HUNTING.

Barack Obama is a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN. He has one HAND over his HEART at all times. He occasionally switches when one arm gets tired, which is almost never because he is STRONG.

Barack Obama has the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE tattooed on his stomach. It’s upside-down, so he can read it while doing sit-ups.

There’s only one artist on Barack Obama’s iPod: FRANCIS SCOTT KEY.

Barack Obama is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. His favorite book is the BIBLE, which he has memorized. His name means HE WHO LOVES JESUS in the ancient language of Aramaic. He is PROUD that Jesus was an American.

Barack Obama goes to church every morning. He goes to church every afternoon. He goes to church every evening. He is IN CHURCH RIGHT NOW!!!

Barack Obama’s new airplane includes a conference room, a kitchen, and a MEGACHURCH.

Barack Obama’s skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL.

Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by FORKLIFT.

Barack Obama says that “Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they are AWESOME.”

[bigscott]

3. who cares if you have to live next to her

tell her to fuck off - people like that will never believe anything you tell them and are just looking for a reason NOT to vote for a Dem - just like they do in every election

Fuck them all

peace

[AirmensMom]

6. If it were just me,

I would agree with you. However, my husband wants to get along with them. We've tried very hard not to talk about politics because it's clear they want to keep their heads in the sand. We keep hoping we'll find SOMETHING in common with them. And maybe we can someday change their minds? That's a long shot, I know.

[bigscott]

9. i applaud you wanting to be nice

but these people will never change. does she give you any idication she is willing to listen to reason? I am betting no.

let your husband be friends with them, I personally would tell her I wanted nothing to do with them.

Short anecdote: I am a gay man who was married to a woman for 15 years. My ex and i are still very friendly. She lives in a small condo comunity and I was visiting last summer (we have joint custody of our son and i was dropping him off after a weekend together). So they were having some sort of picnic and I stayed to socialize with some of them. there is one couple that is rabidly right-wing and obnoxius about it. So the subject of gay teachers came up. most there know about me and were wondering what I was going to say/do. The woman GOPer said she "did not want gay teachers pushing the gay-agenda to students" . So I could not hold back. I asked if she knew any gays and she said not that I know of. So i told her "Well June, I am gay, and maybe I am not a very good gay because I have no idea what the gay agenda is? maybe since you dont want it taught in school, you can tell me what it is" She was shocked and said she did not want teachers recruiting students to be gay, but "I am sure you're not that kind of gay person" but most are!

Bottom line they are ignorant and unwilling to change. And when confronted by their ignorance they just change the subject

peace

[AirmensMom]

11. I know you're right.

I'm not exactly friends with her, but the guys do get along and manage to avoid such discussions. People are so stupid. Yeah, you can recruit students to be gay, just like you can recruit them to be left-handed, I suppose. :eyes:

You are so right. If people don't want to learn, they simply won't.

[CTyankee]

10. If I were you I'd just needle her gently all the time.

Find anything you can to do this. Do it with a smile. Bring up Abe Lincoln's lack of experience with a "That turned out pretty well for this country, don't you think?" and smile patronizingly. Or bring up McCain's lack of interest in the economy and cite the accomplishments of Clinton's economic policies and say "Wasn't that wonderful that we had the LARGEST surplus in this country's history when he left office?" (Smile). Or whatever. Use a bit of sarcasm each time but not so much that she could get mad. If she does get mad act surprised and say "I'm so sorry that you seem to be so UPSET about this issue!" Do that in your best "my goodness!" voice. If you have a humorous barb about EVERYTHING political that she brings up, she'll soon stop bringing up politics.

I have had to do this with my husband's sister and her awful spouse so I've gotten pretty good at it!

Good luck. Just don't back down!

[AirmensMom]

12. LOL!

That's great! I definitely need to learn to do that! Thank you! :yourock:

[CTyankee]

17. It took me a long, long time but I am SO liberated now!

And boy, do I ever get my barbs in. Of course, I have the support of my husband cuz he is sick of them too.

[AirmensMom]

23. Lucky you!

My husband doesn't want to make anyone uncomfortable. He already thinks my response to her was "too angry." :eyes:

Of course, she hasn't responded to me at all. :shrug:

[knixphan]

25. I agree with CTyankee

Humor is sharper than belligerence.

[AirmensMom]

32. I went in the middle.

Tried to be nice about it, just said a few things, asked to be removed from her distribution list. Now getting the silent treatment ... which is actually better than all the spam she sends me.

[knixphan]

34. Yeah, silent is better!

....'If you don't have anything nice to say...'

Silence means you've made them think. Which is big.

[AirmensMom]

42. Could be.

Now I'm being accused of spreading right wing hate mail. You just cant win around here. :banghead:

[a la izquierda]

29. That's what I was going to suggest.

My advisor always tells me to kill 'em with a smile. (The suggestion he makes to me has nothing to do with politics...but it's advice that goes pretty far).

[AirmensMom]

33. Good advice.

But there ain't a smile wide enough to compensate for telling people what they don't want to hear. :shrug:

[zulchzulu]

8. 95% voting record for Bush policies = Bush 3rd term

If these McCain peeps are so hopped up on military records and years in the Senate, then they certainly were for John Kerry. Right?

[AirmensMom]

14. I know,

but I don't see any indication that she is unhappy with Bush.

[bigscott]

18. WOW

if she is NOT unhappy with * then nothing you or I ever say to her will make her think electing a Dem is acceptable. these are the kinds of people who continue to vote against their self-interest because they have always voted for a Puke. I would put up a 9 foot privacy fence between your yards and pretend she does not exist

Peace AirmensMom (and if your kids are in the Armed forces, thank them for me)

[AirmensMom]

19. That's the thing ...

We don't normally talk politics because I KNOW we disagree. I'll have to take up a collection for that privacy fence. It's a pretty long stretch. For now, they don't live here -- they own both houses just north of us and are planning on retiring there (and selling their THIRD house in the process). They come to visit several times per year and I'm actually dreading the time when they come to live full-time.

Thank you, I will do that. Daughter and son-in-law are in the Air Force. Grandpa is watching their son now since they are both away.

[knixphan]

28. I'll start passing the hat

for that privacy fence! :)

You can always invite some of us over for a picnic, and overload the place with raving progressives...

[AirmensMom]

35. Yes!

:bounce: I would LOVE to have a DU picnic behind my new privacy fence!

Raving progressives would turn this place upside down. :rofl:

[izquierdista]

13. Just add crashed airplanes

McCain 5
Obama 0

[AirmensMom]

15. OK ...

Now that's a great point!

[ieoeja]

16. Ronald Reagan

Eisenhower National Elected Experience: 0
Carter National Elected Experience: 0
Reagan National Elected Experience: 0
Clinton National Elected Experience: 0
GW Bush National Elected Experience: 0

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

20. Ha! You beat me to it!

This needs to be spread around over and over again. How about a viral email? Sounds good to me. I posted it in my blog some time ago, but, alas, my readership is low and I'm basically preachin to the choir!

[DangerDave921]

21. Clarify

The number of days in session does not mean that is the sum total of his experience as a senator. How about all the meetings he does outside of that? Or all the reading and listening and decision-making on policy issues? Days in session is an artificial number. I'm an attorney -- should I be judged by my 10 years of practicing, or by the number of days I've actually been in a courtroom?

[AirmensMom]

24. Too late ...

my husband explained to me that she can't help it that she's so stupid and doesn't mean to be offensive. :eyes: I tried to be nice when I wrote back, while also pointing out that her forwarded email was misleading and reminding her to take me off her distribution list, but he doesn't think I was nice enough. Of course, my neighbor didn't respond to my reply.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

26. Your nieghbor is my cousin!

:hi: :puke:

[AirmensMom]

30. LOL!

:hi:

[Eric J in MN]

27. Obama also has Senate experience since he announced...

...his intention to run for president.

Also, experience before that as a State Senator and a law professor.

[AirmensMom]

31. Yeah, but

none of that counts to the people who believe and forward those emails. What counts is what THEY say counts. I finally figured that out. :think:

[Name removed]

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[AirmensMom]

38. WTF?????

:wtf: You're accusing me?


I RECEIVED this email and asked for ideas on how to respond. What's your problem with this?

[Honeycombe8]

39. We are not supposed to reprint in entirety rightwing hate e-mails. If....

you wanted an appropriate response...surely you've seen other posts done by others where posters recap and summarize generally what the hate e-mail is about. No need to print it in its entirety, is there?

I've described my responses to hate e-mails. No need to print verbatim the hate e-mail, since that just perpetuates and advertises the hate e-mail.

[AirmensMom]

40. Oh, well ...

I suppose we need to do it the way you would do it because you're so flawless. I was extremely upset to receive it, especially since it's a bit of a sticky situation. I didn't know I was doing something that would offend.

I would think the way to handle these emails is to quote them completely in order to refute the "facts" that are anything but accurate. Sorry I didn't play by your rules.

[knixphan]

43. in this case I think it was totally appropriate

to show the whole message.

That way, it can be debunked point-by-point.

The spirit and intent are perfectly clear in your OP.

No worries, IMHO.

[AirmensMom]

46. Thank you.

I thought the same thing. :toast:


And it doesn't hurt for all of us to learn what the lies are so we can handle them appropriately.

:hi:

[JustAnotherGen]

44. I'd respond

Number of Houses McSame Owns: 7 or so.
Barack Obama: 1

Number of Wives Cheated on with absolute Certainty by McSame: 1
Barack Obama: 0

Number of Times McCain has fallen asleep standing up: 5,677,788,956
Barack Obama: 0

[AirmensMom]

45. Number of times

McCain has put his audience to sleep: How many speeches has he given?
Barack Obama: 0




:toast: