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Darth_Ole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:34 AM
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For all your pissed at the Obama campaign because of the VP leak, a couple things:
Many here feel used by the campaign and disappointed that they won't be the first to know. Folks, the campaign still hasn't broken that pledge. They have yet to OFFICIALLY announce Obama's running mate, and when that happens, it will still be done via text message.

The motivation for the mass message was to tell mainsteam media, "screw you!" and honor the grassroots activists and citizens who had built this campaign. Even if the AP is correct and it turns out to be Biden, the campaign has still respected its promise to tell the voters directly via text and e-mail who the running mate will be.

We haven't been used, so stop complaining. I'm going to be told who Obama's veep is at the same time as Candy Crowley, John King, Chuck Todd, Katie Couric. It's really remarkable that despite these leaks, I will officially be in the know when all these insider reporters are. It really is OUR campaign.

Besides, while I'd be thrilled with Biden in the #2 slot, a part of me thinks this is the greatest headfake in the history of politics. Remember, these are the "Florida goes for Gore, now Bush, now too close to call" networks we're talking about. You may also know them as the "Obama will win New Hampshire by 10-15 points" networks.

Relax, people...

Love you all!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:36 AM
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1. All good points. n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:40 AM
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2. You are rationalizing a PR screwup...if it's true. I'm still taking Obama at his word.
If you can't keep something tight, don't make big promises that you can.

Also, the question becomes, did the "leak" get out before others were notified that they were not the ones?

One doesn't have to be "pissed" to see a bungle here.

In the meantime, we should wait for Obama's text which is what his campaign has said all these many days.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:41 AM
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3. I think Obama leaked a false name to Bayh to see if he can be trusted.
Obviously he can't.

But I can't believe Obama would be so stupid as to trust Evan Bayh.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:43 AM
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5. Even worse if he thinks Biden won't destroy his campaign with his mouth.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:06 AM
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16. "I think America will happily vote for the first clean, articulate black guy ever!"
Yeah, I worry a bit about that too.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 04:21 AM
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17. That's not the quote...
:eyes:

Here's the actual quote:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

You lose credibility by intentionally misquoting someone. :thumbsdown:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 04:58 AM
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20. If Barack Obama has overlooked your not quite accurate quote,
which I'm sure that Biden actually intended as a compliment, I think that we can, as well... :-)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:39 AM
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23. Who doesn't want to be clean and articulate?! McCain, maybe!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:46 AM
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24. Well, he sure is succeeding at that, LOL.
:rofl:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:51 AM
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12. I agree.
I guess we will soon find out.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 05:32 AM
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21. You're on to something. He probably told Bayh that it's not him and Bayh could have possibly
told the Hillary camp. Andrea Mitchell has been covering Hillary and that may explain why she was the first to report that it's NOT Bayh. I wouldn't trust Bayh with both tits!!

At any rate, I don't think I can hate the media more than I already do. They deliberately punked Obama on this, knowing fully well that supporters would be angry that they didn't get the news first. Also, they just wasted over $1 million on the text message plan because someone blew their cover. I wonder who on God's green earth leaked this information to the press. That "press" was Andrea Mitchell, who, again, has been following Hillary's campaign for whom Bayh is close to. Just speculating.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:43 AM
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7. Well, politicians are always breaking promises. :)
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:46 AM
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9. A bungle?

Where's the bungle?

The media is all-Obama-all-the-time (other than the side note of McCain not having a clue how many houses he owns or how much is pays his wait staff), and people everywhere are *glued* to the news, wanting to know who it is.

This is bad? This is an error? This is a bungle?

The *only* people who are making it out to be bad are those who for some unfathomable reason thought they had a personal one-on-one relationship with Obama and seem to have deluded themselves into believing the millions of people who will receive that text message don't exist. It's not about you or me or that other guy or gal. He told us he'd send a text/e-mail to those who signed up before he made an official announcement. That's all.

Anything else you or anyone assumed was just that, an assumption, one largely based on media manipulation of your expectations.

Let's just get real for a lovin' minute here.

This whole thing has been a media manipulation masterpiece. Genius. Everyone is paying attention to Obama right now. Everyone.

Bungle? Please.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:42 AM
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4. Obama overplayed his hand and the press said screw you.
This is all so unprofessional and un presidential. It makes me wonder about Obama.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:52 AM
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13. I agree with you. The Obama Camp played this one up big, the
text message thing, and now they have egg on their face. Part of the thing I want is a person who knows when the gig is up, and doesn't try to squeeze all emotion until they fall flat.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 04:38 AM
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19. Oh noes!
Don't be a drama queen.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:00 AM
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25. I hope he finds out who fed the whores..
it's totally unacceptable. He needs to find out who leaked. I also agree that he overplayed it, it just went on too long. The media whores are aggressive. They are like a pack of grizzly bears. They will torture you and wear you down until you break.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:28 AM
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26. Unless you are a Republican criminal--then they will
handle you with kid gloves and help you cover up all crimes and gaffes.

IOKIYAR
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:43 AM
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6. Well said.
I'm off to bed now.
Peace.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:45 AM
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8. I don't understand spending the past 5 days on DU trying to figure the VP out before the text...
And then getting pissed off that you figured the VP out before the text.

:crazy:

But whoever leaked, fuck them just the same.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:48 AM
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10. Well said ...
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 12:49 AM by RoyGBiv
All these people prognosticating are now *mad* that they think they've figured it out.

Lordy.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:02 AM
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15. Well stated Kristi. Of course we knew that the pissers & moaners would
find something to bitch & moan about. No matter what Obama says or does, it will never be good enough. If some pissed off frontrunner didn't get chosen (Evan Bayh), who's to say they didn't leak out of spite?
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:49 AM
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11. There was always going to be too much "devil in the details" for this to work exactly as planned.
Let's take the small matter of Secret Service, for example. The new VP candidate should have his safety ensured above all else, certainly above a PR move like a formal announcement. Especially if there are (presumably) media vehicles parked outside his home. If those people find out about it a little bit before everybody else... well, that's their job.

And, really - 11:59 pm Friday night vs. 8:00 am Saturday morning. Is anybody going to notice the difference, with the exception of a few thousand or so of us hardcore political wonk-types?
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:54 AM
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14. right
Biden should have teleported to Chicago tomorrow afternoon.

That way, he wouldn't have to actually get there by plane, which started the ball rolling on figuring out it was him.

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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 04:22 AM
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18. and how silly to have secret service protection before texting a million people? nt
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:15 AM
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22. Obama pretty much
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 06:20 AM by PATRICK
spelled out Biden in his most recent interview where he exposed his specific criteria of choice. The media was too unnerved or stupid or unable to find the weasel they wanted to be either rational or coy about "guessing". The reasoning for some of the guesses was far inferior to posts here.

I never signed up for the courtesy phone call which under the circumstances grew in significance with the media's inability to do its job and too much expectation about the timeline. It wasn't going to work once the pieces began to move. WE were even tracking planes to crack the privilege, I might remind some here.

What is utterly disgusting is the sudden and suspicious early morning appearance of Biden trashers with no excuses for their usual one two gut punching of issue and "he represents the corporate etc. etc." which we are all familiar with BTW. ANY candidate seems to have people assigned to never let an inappropriate moment go by without saying that person is the end of everything. Or else the negative nannies in waiting are simply as grumpy as anyone for having to stay up all night to do their hit.

I would seriously ask the moderators to begin warnings and bans for these dedicated hitmen and any others plainly disappointed it was not their assigned candidate to trash. We don't need to see THEM the first thing in the morning. I am sure their posts will reveal whether this ugly attack(never mind the content has a lining of reason) is based on a typical pique or disappointment about their candidate. There is not a single choice Obama could have made that would not be subject to deep criticism with rational justification(which the GOP will likely give a pass in this instance for the inane and untruthful).

So he chose the talent America absolutely needs instead of the political ploy or symbol to score doubtful poll points or placate unnecessarily the querulous left. He did not even choose Biden, in the end, because of the experience meme itself, although the MSM will paint that debate season sound bite in blood over the GOP tar. There was a job to do that needed contemporary involvement more valuable even than a safe Senate seat, which Biden publicly argued against his choice. The decision shows Obama's strength of leadership and purpose overall.

I have had a long time going sour over Biden through basic misunderstandings. Some criticism sticks true- as against anyone including Obama itself, which renders the bitter "shock" of "THAT'S IT" groaners damned silly. I would give the Biden supporters their day- or maybe everyday to November rather than have to see another anchor dragging along the mud bottom vying to be the next PUMA 5th column for Rove.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:51 AM
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27. Once they told anyone outside the campaign who it was the meter was running.
I have been pretty impressed with how close to the vest the whole thing has stayed for so long. That by itself demonstrates enormous loyalty from staff and damn fine control on your campaign. That control ended, however, the minute they had to tell the runner-ups they were not the choice.

Before you scream about Obama and how this was handled, consider this: How much FREE air time and coverage did Obama get out of this? How MUCH attention did his campaign just get on the internet, on TV and on radio with people speculating about who he'd choose and who most closely fit with Obama's vision? They just spent the last month or so getting Obama's message out there and getting it re-enforced daily--and they did it by opting for this email thing.

This was absolutely fucking brilliant campaign strategy if you ask me.

If they keep on like this the Obama 08 campaign may end up the stuff of legend for anyone that looks at campaign strategy.


Laura
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