Pastor Warren needs to apologize for misleading the American people.
He stated "Now Senator Obama's gonna go first-we flipped a coin-and we have safely placed Senator McCain in a cone of silence." Link - http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/ This was untrue - and it gave McSame a huge advantage. He was apparently not in a "cone of silence" According to his campaign McSame was in a motorcade on his way to the forum. Perhaps if enough people contact the Pastor, he will publicly apologize to Mr. Obama and the American people. We can hope, pray, and e-mail.
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The GOP won over lots of moderates in the past with the "He isn't one of us, he hates Christians" type lies. They can't do that now. Obama was able to walk right up to the toughest forum and hold his own. He's a regular guy from now on.
52. I agree. And, Warren didn't appear surprised by that.
I don't feel Warren was as even handed as I had thought initially. His reactions to Mccain's statements seemed prideful and smug. He'd look to the audience and quietly nod in agreement etc. There was a gentle, yet observable bias IMHO.
20. Until Pastor Warren addresses how his "forum" became so tainted, he will be
be subjected to this type of speculation. His credibility is at stake. He may have taken money from the McSame people for all I know. I do know that Pastor Warren assured the American people and Obama that the forum was fair, and it wasn't.
I hadn't heard that McCain was on his way to the debate during Obama's talk. I'd like to find the source for that.
Given that's true, it sure does make sense, whether Warren was complicit or not... It might have been done with a wink and a nod, but it's unlikely in the extreme that McCain would be "accidentally" running late to the debate, conveniently allowing him to be outside the "Cone of Silence" and instead listening to the questions and responses while on his way there.
If that really happened, where's the coverage of this? To me, it sounds like a major news item. It's cheating in the extreme at a debate held in a church.
It seems like something that could unravel. Warren admits that McCain wasn't there for the first 1/2 hour and both candidates were on their honor.
The strange part is he said that both were given the first question before hand to make them "comfortable" So watch McCain's answer, one of the few times he seems to be putting a lot of thought into an answer! Very strange.
51. I guess it depends on your definition of "nailed."
When I said that, I meant caught redhanded, cheating. His campaign has denied it, and even attacked the media for suggesting it.
No Secret Service guy is going to rat on him for listening to the debate in the limo. I'm sure any blackberry he uses is secure. There's no smoking gun to find for this. That's what I meant.
I think it's very likely that he cheated. His performance sounded consistent with that. I'm sure his campaign would have considered the option and talked to him about it. And his track record shows him caving in to them on just about any issue that might help him get elected.
I don't have the same confidence about Warren, but I know nothing about the guy. The only issue there is the coin toss, which needed to go in McCain's favor in order to pull this off, and did. He might be in on it, I don't know. I think the circumstances point to McCain cheating. With Warren, it's just not as clear to me. I don't have an opinion on it.
did anyone seriously not know this whole thing was intended to give McCain a chance to pander to the Christian Taliban? Of course he heard every word. Of course it was a set up. Obama isn't a moran, he knew that going in and took the opportunity to grab a few from the competition anyway.
That said, I don't think Preacher Warren is the bad guy. He was pretty dang decent to Obama. In fact, gave Obama a few openings to more fully discuss complicated and difficult issues. If you watch the tape a 2nd time, you'll notice the preacher is MUCH more comfortable and relaxed around Barack and clearly agitated and biting almost his whole tongue off with McCain. That preacher man knew full well Obama is the real deal and McCain was a BS artist.
For one reason, fundies do not read, they do not play fair and they do not expect their pastor to play fair in order to make Obama look good. At a minimum Obama has at least got to familiarize himself with how these folks play before he goes back to the playground with old man. If he does not get a decent debate format we can expect more of this. Maybe you think Obama did great, maybe you don't mind if your future President talks and talks on a 'religious forum'. You may think he came out smelling like a rose but beware the next time will not be so pretty. I hope to *ell that he does not hang himself out their again without a better format.
And he is a gas bag who parades around in life wearing a mantle of holiness, claiming that God tells him that gay people have no human rights. This liar claims he's so holy he gets to condemn millions of Americans and human beings world wide, this man lies with an ease unknown to decent people. And McCain lied too. But Warren lied and claims to be righteous, so righteous he claims the seat of judgment, and he drags his bigoted dogma into the public square. The day before this forum, tons of people here at DU were praising Ricky to the skies, by the way.
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