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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:23 AM Original message |
Why is Nancy Pelosi so hated when she has virtually the same stances on issues as Senator Obama? |
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babylonsister
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. Because she was in a position two years ago to right a huge wrong, |
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Enrique
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. he is in more of a position since being the nominee |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. That's the most ridiculous thing I've read here today. nt |
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babylonsister
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Get real; he hasn't won anything yet. But go ahead and blame him |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Yep. Nothing but a bash thread. Disgusting. nt |
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babylonsister
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Yep, with the usual cast of characters, too. So predictable. nt |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. All the usual suspects. Yep. I'm sick of it. nt |
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Growler
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. yes, exactly!! nt |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Sun Aug-17-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
151. Obama is in the position right now to make impeachment a top issue of discussion |
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Metric System
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
2. And she's got lady parts. |
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tedoll78
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. When I read that.. |
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jakem
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. I am personally quite enamored of lady parts. |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Enough with the whining already. The one with "lady parts" took |
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Blondiegrrl
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Thu Aug-14-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
128. *rolls eyes* But of course. We're all sexist pigs. |
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Chulanowa
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Fri Aug-15-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
134. Damn right, I hates me some labia! |
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iamthebandfanman
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Fri Aug-15-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
145. keep dreamin' |
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PVnRT
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Tue Aug-19-08 08:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
159. Great, this again |
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Hugabear
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Tue Aug-19-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
161. Damned you're good. Has nothing whatsoever to do with her refusal to even consider impeachment |
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Enrique
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
3. Pelosi is actually much more partisan than Obama is |
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TooBigaTent
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. When he is president, NO ONE will represent the party base except a few Congresspeople. |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. It will be Obama's job to represent ALL Americans, not just the base of one party |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
71. Ideally, ALL Americans, not just the corporate contributors and the |
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Runcible Spoon
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. I second that comment. |
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Bake
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
88. The President doesn't "represent" anybody except the United States of America |
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TheCowsCameHome
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
4. She didn't do what she was elected to do. |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Bullshit |
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TheCowsCameHome
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. You left off the sarcasm icon. |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
74. Prove that she ran for representative on an impeachment platformthen |
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TheCowsCameHome
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. Who said that? Not I. |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
106. You said she didn't do what she was elected to do |
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TheCowsCameHome
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. If you think impeachment was the sole reason she was elected, |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Aren't you the one saying that? |
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TheCowsCameHome
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. No, I believe you're mistaken. I never mentioned impeachment. |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I see. I misunderstood you then. |
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TheCowsCameHome
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Thu Aug-14-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #110 |
121. No problem. Perhaps I should have been more concise in my OP |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. No worries |
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LittleClarkie
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #94 |
117. Then what do you think she was elected to do? |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. She wasn't just elected to represent San Francisco. |
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onenote
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. and what makes you think that isn't exactly what she's doing? |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. OK, fine. Maybe Pelosi was right. In which case Obama is definitely right. Right? |
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onenote
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Yep, I think they're both right on impeachment |
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KharmaTrain
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Fri Aug-15-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #67 |
135. Running On Impeachment Would Have Cost Seats in 2006 |
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TheCowsCameHome
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. And lead that entire delegation as well. |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. YOU don't get a voice in Speaker of the House |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Which we didn't do. That wasn't our election. |
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Bake
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
89. She was elected by the House of Representatives to LEAD them, |
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onenote
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #89 |
112. The Speaker is a leader, not a dictator. |
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Bake
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Exactly!! |
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theboss
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
102. Which includes Heath Shuler |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Mon Aug-18-08 05:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
156. Did she promise to impeach? |
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PurityOfEssence
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
6. But...this one goes to eleven |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Clearly you really hate Obama. This is DU. We are FOR democratic |
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Autumn
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:59 AM Original message |
Faith based trust , |
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wvbygod
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
70. It takes a bit of Spinal to tap into that logic |
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Runcible Spoon
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
90. I really don't put much stock in voting records from the W years for the simple reason.. |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #90 |
103. Brilliant! I nominate you for something, I just don't know what yet. |
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Runcible Spoon
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Thu Aug-14-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #103 |
122. aww you're making me all verklempt! |
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samdogmom
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
7. You have to be a complete "moran" to not see the many impeachable offenses |
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Enrique
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. and Obama? |
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samdogmom
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Last I checked, Nancy is Speaker of the House. She has the power right now. |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Don't interrupt his bashing with actual facts. He's on a roll. nt |
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Phredicles
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Has Obama, like Pelosi, gone so far as to say Commander Lovely Man |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Shh. You're interrupting their bash. :) nt |
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saracat
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Fri Aug-15-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
142. Actually he did. Obama said he didn't think ANY of Bush's actions "rose to the level of impeachment" |
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Phredicles
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Fri Aug-15-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. I took an 11-month hiatus from DU, although now that you mention it |
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Bake
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
91. The point is, that's Obama's position as well. |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-21-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
167. Yet Obama has the same position on impeachment. Is he an enabler too? |
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nykym
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
8. Oh and it was a carefully |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Wrong: She said this in May of 2006, five months before voters elected the Democratic majority |
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nykym
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
40. I stand corrected |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. She took impeachment off of the table as something the Republicans could use |
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onenote
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #48 |
73. yep. And Howard Dean publicly said pretty much the same thing before the elections |
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Triana
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
10. Her opposition to impeachment and her recent comments.... |
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trudyco
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
97. I agree. And she had the power, while Obama did not -nt |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
12. I think you're missing one tiny little difference. |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Pelosi is trying to reelect the Democratic majority in the House |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Huh? That's all she's been doing her whole time as Speaker? |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Don't bother. This is nothing but a bash-Obama thread, disguised |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
62. No, this thread's purpose is to point out the irrationality of the Pelosi haters |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. I quite like Pelosi, even though I don't agree with her all the time. nt |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. Oh that's right, I forgot she was running for President. |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
99. Exactly. If it's about Pelosi, it should be in GD. If it's about Obama |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #99 |
114. It is about both of them, and some DUers inability to rationally think regarding them |
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TheKentuckian
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Fri Aug-15-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #99 |
131. I don't really care much for Pelosi, Murtha, and their winglette |
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harun
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
27. I don't hate her I think she is brilliant |
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samdogmom
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Some lesson! Our country is in the toilet right now--everything is broken! |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I think he was being sarcastic. nt |
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samdogmom
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I feel better if this is true. |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Yeah. I had to read it a few times before I figured it out. nt |
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harun
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. If you want omelets you have to be prepared to break some eggs |
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
33. She has the power to bring impeachment to the floor, Obama doesn't. nt |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
129. Obama has much more power of persusion as the presumptive nominee |
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Solon
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
35. While I agree with most of the posters on this thread, in principle... |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Pelosi controls impeachment. Obama doesn't. Pretty simple. nt |
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Solon
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I'm talking about a broader context here... |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. The difference is that Obama needs to be moderate right now to WIN THE ELECTION |
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Solon
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I understand using that as an argument to defend Obama himself... |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. What? That doesn't make any sense. |
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Solon
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Fri Aug-15-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
132. Let's see if I can clarify... |
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Enrique
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. she's also supposed to help Obama get elected |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Um, yeah. We're talking about a couple of years ago. It's obviously not going to happen now. |
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Enrique
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. the post I responded to was talking about now |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. Actually, I wasn't talking about now. Sorry if it was unclear. |
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onenote
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
80. a couple of years ago we had an election in which impeachment wasn't even an issue |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Ah. I see. Sorry if I jumped to the wrong conclusion. And yes, |
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Solon
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Fri Aug-15-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #50 |
133. I don't know if pragmatic is the right word... |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. Obama has the abiltiy to make this the top issue of the campaign |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Um... because it would be really stupid? |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Pelosi had the House majority to lose |
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onenote
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
113. two years ago, the Dems had just won a majority and impeachment wasn't an issue |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. WTF? He is running on a platform of what he will do when |
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onenote
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
76. the Democratic Caucus controls impeachment |
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DevonRex
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
98. Oh, I'm not saying that I definitely think she should have supported |
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samdogmom
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Do you understand the impeachment procedure? |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Yes - Pelosi is stopping the Democrats driving full speed into a cliff. |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Impeachment right now would be idiotic. |
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inthebrain
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. WOuldn't have been two years ago |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Exactly -nt- |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
56. Because a tremendous number of people are naïve and foolish... |
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PurityOfEssence
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
84. It's even worse than that |
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Bake
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
96. And they blindly assert that impeaching without conviction/removal |
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wvbygod
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Thu Aug-14-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
65. Because she will not unwisely cater to a minority demand for impeachment |
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OwnedByFerrets
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
69. This seems to be a common thread with you. Why do you give a |
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Enrique
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. not just him |
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OwnedByFerrets
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. So, she never said that impeachment was off the table or |
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Enrique
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. no, what's false is to single her out |
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OwnedByFerrets
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Thu Aug-14-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
126. Being in a leadership position kinda leaves ya open |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Fri Aug-15-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
143. I do not whine. I just present facts |
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Joe Fields
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
85. I not only see the hypocrisy, but I can smell it and taste it, too... |
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Runcible Spoon
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. I don't agree with either of them. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! |
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depakid
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
92. Because she's a complete failure as a leader |
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Runcible Spoon
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Thu Aug-14-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Careful now, Comrade. That's dangerous talk. |
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jonnyblitz
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
100. people dislike her for her "house speaker" behavior not so much |
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KingFlorez
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
101. Some people just don't think logically |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Despite her promising not to impeach months before the election |
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digidigido
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Thu Aug-14-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
105. She is The Speaker of The House and is the person who CAN start Impeachment |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Anyone in the House can start impeachment with a motion. |
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #105 |
115. which constitution are you referring to? |
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
118. Sometimes I think it is solely because she is a woman which is sad. |
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
119. She is perceived to be conciliatory toward Bush**. I'm not saying she is. She |
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Thu Aug-14-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
120. Because she does nothing more than write sternly-worded letters.... |
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Thu Aug-14-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
123. It is her lack of action that is the problem. nt |
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Thu Aug-14-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
124. Jealousy over her mad Boggle skills. |
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Lilith Velkor
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Thu Aug-14-08 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
125. She's a woman. |
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Thu Aug-14-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
130. Do you remember the first thing she did when she took the |
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TheKentuckian
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Fri Aug-15-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #130 |
136. I think it sucks horribly that the partisanship |
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Fri Aug-15-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #136 |
147. I can appreciate your thoughts but |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Fri Aug-15-08 07:14 AM Response to Reply #130 |
141. She came out for impeachment long before she became Speaker |
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Sat Aug-16-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #130 |
149. Oh, come on! |
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Fri Aug-15-08 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
137. Pelosi koolaid tastes bad |
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Waiting For Everyman
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Fri Aug-15-08 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
138. Here's the problem... |
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Fri Aug-15-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Besides, who is she to say which elections will be won/lost ahead of time? |
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Fri Aug-15-08 05:41 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Do you remember the Republicans losing seats during the frenzy to impeach Clinton? |
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Fri Aug-15-08 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
146. because shes already in power? |
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LWolf
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Fri Aug-15-08 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
148. I'm not that fond of Obama, either. |
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Sun Aug-17-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Democratic voters sure seem to prefer Obama over Kucinich |
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Sun Aug-17-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. Some Democratic voters do, obviously, lol. |
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Mon Aug-18-08 07:30 AM Response to Reply #154 |
157. How well did Kucinich do in the six states where he did compete? |
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Tue Aug-19-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #157 |
158. You know, since |
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Wed Aug-20-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. And that view is wildly out to step with the mainstream of the Democratic Party |
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Wed Aug-20-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. why are you tryna change the subject to Kucinich? |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Wed Aug-20-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. Kucinich recieved far more attention than he deserved |
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LWolf
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Wed Aug-20-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. And that's hyperbole. |
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Thu Aug-21-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Despite how some would like to hijack us to the fringe, we are the party of mainstream America |
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Thu Aug-21-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. Mainstream America is a single party with a red and blue wing. nt |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Fri Aug-22-08 07:01 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. That sound like something Ralph Nader would say |
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LWolf
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Fri Aug-22-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. I wouldn't know what Nader would say. |
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Fri Aug-22-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. You are spouting the kind of propaganda as he does about the two parties major being the same |
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Sun Aug-17-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #148 |
152. I find them both hugely disappointing. |
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Sun Aug-17-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Yes. |
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Sun Aug-17-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
155. Black-and-White thinking. |
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Tue Aug-19-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
160. I was frustrated with Pelosi but now I'm waiting until November 4 |
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Fri Aug-22-08 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
170. She's a woman. |
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