Bill Clinton speaking before the VP at the convention indicates three things to me

[cbc5g]

1. It won't be Hillary
2. It will be a Clinton loyalist probably as a deal for them to get 100% behind Obama and speak at the convention. It will be someone they wanted Hillary to have as VP.
3. It will be Evan Bayh of Indiana.


Face it folks, the VP will be DLC.

[bigwillq]

1. It can't be DLC.

Or Obama's message of change will no longer be valid. We shall see.

[The Traveler]

3. We're 50 miles into the woods

we won't get out with a 5 mile hike. Until we are more out of the thicket, we may find it necessary to ally with the DLC. I trust Obama's judgment in this regard.

But I do share your discomfort ...

[bigwillq]

5. We'll then Obama

will be a fraud. He will have to stop talking about change if he does perhaps the worst thing by picking a DLC member. It's all in his control. It will be interesting to see which direction he's going to take our party.



P.S.-----In reality I would be comfortable if he does pick someone from the DLC, depending on who it was. I just find it funny that a few months ago DLC was sooo evil but now Obama people will be "ok" if it were Bayh.

[The Traveler]

12. Not an Obama person

Actually, both Kucinich and Edwards were more to my liking.

"He will have to stop talking about change if he does perhaps the worst thing by picking a DLC member. It's all in his control."

1) Of course he doesn't have to stop talking about change, or seeking ways to bring it about. DLC influence does, methinks, imply a slower rate of change than I would prefer to see. But, again, we have to start somewhere and we cannot start at the destination.

2) It is only partly in his control. He has to put together an effective coalition to a) win and b) govern.

3) If Obama wins, a vital progressive grass roots movement becomes more necessary than ever ... with or without DLC representation at high levels in his administration. Without such a movement, there will be no sustained progress. At one point, FDR had to tell labor leaders he was sold on their idea ... but that they had to get out there and MAKE him do it.

4) If Obama loses, a progressive grass roots movement remains necessary but finds itself on far less fertile ground. Its purpose becomes not the production of change but damage control and the exertion of restraint. Much like the last 8 years.

[Renew Deal]

15. You already think Obama is a fraud.

So what's the difference?

[bigwillq]

28. No I don't.

Not at all. But you can think whatever you want..doesn't bother me in the slightest. Enjoy.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

31. Not me. Bill is DLC Scum. Hillary is DLC Scum. And Bayh is DLC Scum. I don't know what Obama

supporter you're talking about. By the way, aren't we ALL Obama supporters? Or, are you still fighting the primaries?

[bigwillq]

33. I've seen several hardcore Obama

supporters who cursed the DLC during the primary, and now they are cool with DLC Bayh as a possible DLC pick. I just find that funny.

I didn't support Clinton or Obama during the primary so no need for me to keep fighting the primary.

Obama will get my vote.

[cbc5g]

4. It still will be, but it will be change with a guiding experience

Sounds funny, but it may be true. And with the celebrity crap going around, what better than to have a boring, no drama guy on the ticket? Too much excitement can turn people off. Strategically it's a good move. It puts another state into a spot that McCain has to spend money in. And it plays well in Ohio and Michigan. Could also bring some Clinton people back in that felt like Obama didn't care about their interests.

[bigwillq]

6. Read Post No. 5 (nt)

[Renew Deal]

14. I disagree

Obama will always represent change. Bayh will represent a steady hand and experience. Considering how unknown Bayh is, he could be considered a change candidate as well.

[bigwillq]

23. Bayh's terrible.

:puke:

[Renew Deal]

27. That's a different point.

:shrug:

[Madam Mossfern]

2. Aaaaaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

:hurts:
I just like this smiley.

[cbc5g]

7. The thing is Bigwillq, Obama already knows he has the support of the progressive liberal left

That won't go away unless he picks a pro life candidate or something crazy like that. He has to make a play for the Independents who are worried about his inexperience.

[bigwillq]

8. He could do that without picking DLC

and keeping intact his change campaign.

[cbc5g]

9. I don't like it either but if it strategically helps him win the WH

then it's a good choice. I'm sure he's done extensive polling. What it comes down to, is it's the choice the Clintons have always wanted and their demand to him is to have Evan Bayh. I'm sure a lot of negotiating went into it. It's the midwest ticket. We'll see what happens.

[bigwillq]

11. So this means Obama

can be bullied? What kind of leader is that? :shrug: So much for change......

[cbc5g]

16. It's politics..Personally, I don't like the sound of Obama/Bayh

Sounds like a lullaby and a name Repukes can make into a slogan. Bayh Bayh Obama!


But it seems so clear now that if Clinton is speaking before the VP, it will be someone Clinton likes and has always liked. Evan Bayh.

[bigwillq]

24. Yup.

Proving that Obama is just politics as usual.

[cbc5g]

26. If politics as usual is bringing the DNC/DLC together for solutions

then what is wrong with that? He can't win the presidency be appealing to progressives only. I really wish it were that way.

[bigwillq]

29. Nothing wrong with it.

But we've heard for months on this board that the DLC is evil, evil, evil...I will just find it amusing if Obama does pick a DLCer.

[Motown_Johnny]

10. Or his former energy secretary.. or possibly Clark....

[Tektonik]

13. I agree that it will be a Clinton friendly pick for VP,

but I still strongly believe Obama may just pick Clinton.

[JackORoses]

17. Nope. Obama will pick someone who has a chance to win for themselves in 8 years

[Mass]

18. Many people will speak on Wednesday. So may be we can stop reading in the tea leaves.

[Thrill]

19. The VP will be Tim Kaine. I'm not buying any of the other names

[phillysuse]

20. Bill Clinton will introduce his fellow Arkansan,

General Wesley Clark.

I can still dream!!!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

21. To pick a VP who is more attractive to the war mongering...

...ruling elites with their WWIII agenda than Obama himself is would be a serious security blunder.

Gore made this mistake eight years ago in choosing Lieberman and I believe it would've cost him his life had he actually been allowed to serve as POTUS after he won in 2000. Tony Scalia and the other four unwittingly probably saved Al's life.

[zulchzulu]

22. Nope... the VP will be...

[BeyondGeography]

25. No decision on the VP has been made yet

The announcement won't come for another two weeks. Obama will make the call after his vacation the week of August 18th.

[DJ13]

30. I agree, it WILL be a Clinton loyalist, but it doesnt have to be a Hillary loyalist

It could just as easily be a former Bill Clinton loyalist, someone who aligned himself with Obama over Hillary.

Still loyal to his old boss (but didnt like Hillary and felt no allegiance to her) yet is NOT a DLC'er.

I think that should be enough to let you figure out who I mean.

[Phx_Dem]

32. Hmmmm.

That's interesting, and makes sense.