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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 07:52 PM
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Some sobering statistics about Evan Bayh
Bayh was re-elected governor of Indiana in 1992 with the highest percentage of the vote in a statewide election in modern Indiana history.

By the end of his second term, Bayh had an approval rating of nearly 80 percent.

Bayh was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1998. He won with 64% of the vote, the largest victory margin ever by a Democrat in a U.S. Senate race in Indiana.

Evan Bayh is a winner.

Yes, I know you don't like him. Regardless of who Obama picks, we're fortunate he isn't taking the advice of DU.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 07:55 PM
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1. Evan Bayh is a winner in Indiana, and a loser everywhere else.
Obama's running for a national office. Bayh does nothing for him anywhere else. If Bayh is so respected in Indiana, then he can deliver Indiana by supporting and campaigning there for Obama. The VP needs to be a winner on a national scale. Bayh just does not qualify, and he pisses off quite a large chunk of the base.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 08:01 PM
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2. DU is not "the base."
Neither is DailyKos or TalkingPointsMemo.

The Democratic party's base includes not just the political junkies who know what FISA and IWR stand for, but lots of middle and working class people with pretty centrist political views (e.g., the kind of people in Ohio and Pennsylvania who voted for Hillary Clinton). Someone like Bayh would play pretty well with those folks -- and we need them.

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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 08:38 PM
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4. Wow. So your argument is that
the Clinton supporters in PA, OH, and WV are too ignorant to be upset at Bayh, and therefore he's a good candidate? Good grief. Since when do we say that "people are too dumb to realize that he sucks" is a valuable quality in a VP candidate.

As for your other assertion--it's ridiculous, the people who keep going on about who's going to "play well" to "Clinton's voters." Nobody really seems to get it. If the VP isn't Clinton, her voters really aren't going to care. Most of them have already switched their support to Obama, because he's the only Dem left, and his VP choice doesn't matter much either way to them. The small percentage who refuse to support him now, aren't going to change their minds just because he nominates some boring VP they're barely heard of, who happens to be "centrist." They wanted Clinton, they didn't get her. That bird has already flown.

The base we need to be worried about even more is the left wing. Obama's made too many concessions to the right lately; he doesn't have the political capital to nominate a VP that's even further right than he is--at least, not without that VP bringing something else fantastic to the table, like Clark's military experience, or Kaine's ability to help turn Virginia blue in the general.

Bayh doesn't excite the working class base, and the left-wing base actively despises him. He's a weak choice, and I don't believe for a moment that Obama doesn't realize that too.

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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 09:07 PM
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6. No, I don't mean they're ignorant.
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 09:11 PM by nsd
I mean that in 2003 they -- like Bayh, Clinton, and Biden -- bought the argument for the Iraq war. Today, even if they've come to view Iraq as a mistake (which nearly all of them have), they're not so upset about the buildup to war that anyone who voted yes is a pariah. And they certainly don't spend enough time on the Internet arguing about the war that an acronym like IWR is known to them.

What I really mean is that they're not "progressives". Being a Democrat does not necessarily mean progressive, and in most cases it doesn't.

And I'm not arguing that Bayh will appeal to PUMAs. But the great majority of the people who voted for Hillary are not Clinton diehards. They're just traditional Democrats (union people, Hispanics, teachers, etcetera). They are not loyal only to Clinton. But they are attracted by middle-of-the-road candidates like Clinton, such as Bayh.

ETA: "The base we need to be worried about even more is the left wing." This is ridiculous. There are not enough votes here to worry about.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 08:01 PM
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3. says Oktoberian?
If he's such a loser everywhere else, why is Obama considering him?

No, he pisses off a tiny bit of the base. Which is a plus.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 08:41 PM
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5. Who says that Obama is considering him?
Other than Obama's vague "all options are on the table" speeches, I haven't seen any evidence that Obama is seriously considering Bayh. A visit to Indiana doesn't constitute "evidence", to me. I tend to disbelieve the mainstream media hype, and the "breathless news" from "inside sources", because I generally think that the media is full of it.

The only VP I think Obama has shown serious interest in so far is Kaine. Not that I like Kaine. He's just a bit less awful than some of the other choices.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 11:59 PM
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11. folks seem to be....
jumping to huge geographical conclusions!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:25 PM
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7. I don't dislike Bayh for his conservative positions but I don't see how he helps Obama
He won his elections largely on daddy's name and ran against a number of very weak Republican challengers. He's a lightweight as far as I'm concerned and I don't really believe he will help us at all in the rust belt.

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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:30 PM
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8. I think Bayh is capable. But one thing of concern is how poorly Hillary actually did in IN
during the primaries. Even though she pulled out the win people expected her to have a better showing and Bayh was a large supporter of her. So he showed he doesn't really sway the masses THAT much with his own popularity transferring over to another.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:32 PM
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9. I agree, wyld.
He's more of a centrist, and sort of a stable quantity that an Obama campaign would do well with. Plus if he delivers us IN, that along with Iowa, or Colorado, or New Mexico and Nevada, is a win.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:33 PM
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10. Frankly I don't care, the guy is an asshole...
Just because he's a Democrat doesn't mean shit.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:06 AM
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12. I know he's an asshole for supporting the war in the beginning but...
If you go to fivethirtyeight.com they'll show you that actually Evan Bayh is pretty liberal for a conservative state like Indiana...
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:10 AM
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13. I don't care much for Bayh... but be careful.. posting negative threads about possible VPs
will get you called "divisive".


Oh...wait.... that's only if you post about one particular candidate.


nevermind.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:39 AM
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14. Bayh would most certainly bring Indiana.
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 12:40 AM by Drunken Irishman
Indiana is extremely close as is, which means Bayh might be all Obama needs to push Indiana from barely red to barely blue.

The significance of this?

If Obama were to win all of Kerry's states and only flipped Iowa and Indiana, he wins the presidency.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:42 AM
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15. Exactly..his presence would kind of be like Gore's in 92 but he just may bring Indiana
It would certainly make McCain have to defend there. At least that's if Obama's team has done the polling that would show a significant increase if he were to select Bayh. I would HOPE they have done that extensively if they are going to.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:45 AM
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16. I've asked a lot of questions about him here, but....
..I'm not in the mix with those who are dead-set against him.



In a way, we've all been doing DU's version of "Vet the Veeps" here.

Some comments I've seen roll down the pike about some of our selections at one time or another...

"Jim Webb wrote some risqu material in his novels"..
"Bill Richardson is a crummy debater, fibbed about baseball, and hugs his Lt. Governor a lot"..
"Tim Kaine was a MAJOR Lieberman supporter"..
"Kathleen Sebelius' son created and marketed a controversial board game"..
"Joe Biden supposedly plagiarized something or other"..
"Wes Clark was demonized by the media who won't get off his case"..
"Hillary Clinton dissed Obama on camera one too many times"..
"Chet Edwards is a closet Bushie"..
"Chuck Hagel is a raving Republican"..
"Tim Roemer is not pro-choice"..
"Kerry and Edwards have "been there/done that"..

When you consider some of the chatter-vetting that goes on here..

~~~~ has anyone actually passed through "DU Acceptable Veep Meter" yet with flying colors?

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