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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:58 AM
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McCain's Humor Often Backfires
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 12:17 PM by cryingshame
Ever hear that joke about waterboarding? How about the one about killing Iranians? And why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?

By BEN SMITH

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McCain's humor, by contrast, makes him the political counterpart of the radio host Don Imus (whom he has defended): It's sharp, unrehearsed and, at times, way, way over the line. This cycle, he's drawn winces, and worse, for everything from a joking reference to domestic violence to a now-notorious little ditty about bombing Iran. Earlier in his political career, the Arizona press reported that he'd cracked a rape joke that would now probably end any politician's career, a joke his aides then and now say he doesn't recall making.

To McCain's friends and supporters, the humor is a mark of his authenticity. To his detractors, some of the jokes are offensive and out of touch with contemporary mores. What's undeniable, though, is that the humor, with its political risks and, to some, its charm, is intrinsic to John McCain. He is a man of a certain generation, with a machismo forged from his experience as a Navy pilot and an aviator, a candidate who is more comfortable in his own skin than with a teleprompter.

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Irreverence in the abstract is one thing. But McCain's specific jokes can be harder for some to stomach. Liberal bloggers have recently revived what is by far the most offensive of McCain's reported jokes, one that his aides say he doesn't recall telling, but which was reported in the Tucson Citizen, an Arizona paper, during his 1986 Senate campaign:

"Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, 'Where is that marvelous ape?'"

The president of the National Organization for Women, Kim Gandy, however, suggested that a series of McCain jokes about women, the rest uncontested by the campaign, suggest a serious lack of respect.

"Some people can't tell the difference between a joke that is really off color and one that is off-the-charts offensive, and clearly some of John McCain's 'jokes' fall into that category," she said.

Outside the contested rape joke, the most notorious of McCain's gags about women's looks came in 1998, when Chelsea Clinton was 18.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" he asked guests at a Senate Republican fundraiser. "Because her father is Janet Reno."

McCain's other jokes don't induce cringes quite as widespread, but Gandy said they were still likely to alienate women.

"The French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who is still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it," McCain told Fox News a few years ago.

And earlier this year, McCain responded to a question with the line, "And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago," provoking a round of tut-tutting for his reference to the old classic example of a leading question.

Women are far from his only target. Another favorite has been the elderly. He has recalled groveling for forgiveness when, during his 1986 campaign, he referred to a retirement community called "Leisure World" as "Seizure World."

In 1999, in the course of apologizing for his joke about Clinton — which he called "insensitive and stupid and cruel" — he recalled for reporters another bad joke: 'I said, 'The nice thing about Alzheimer's is you get to hide your own Easter eggs.'" (Earlier in the 2008 campaign season, he reworked that joke to make himself the target.)

McCain hasn't toned down the jokes, which often play better with the audiences at his town halls than when snipped out and recycled on YouTube, as was the case in an incident in which he — in jest — referred to a young man who asked about his age as "you little jerk," before telling him, "You're drafted."

McCain's political allies also sometimes feel the sting. He has jokingly threatened staffers with waterboarding (a practice he condemns as torture). After former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, a close McCain adviser, dismissed talk of a bad economy as mere psychology, McCain told reporters he planned to make Gramm — who had been seen as a prospective Treasury secretary — ambassador to Belarus.

McCain was also recently condemned by the government of Iran for suggesting that increasing U.S. cigarette sales to Iran could be "a way of killing 'em."

"We condemn such jokes and believe them to be inappropriate for a U.S. presidential candidate," said Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini. "It is most evident that jokes about genocide will not be tolerated by Iranians or Americans."

Iranian criticism, though, is more or less a badge of honor for presidential candidates of both parties. And McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said McCain's humor is, more broadly, central to his appeal.

"He's long said that he's said and done things in the past that he regrets," Rogers said. "You've just got to move on and be yourself — that's what people want. They want somebody who's authentic, and this kind of stuff is a good example of McCain being McCain."

But while voters say they want authenticity, McCain's campaign may test how much of his raw humor Americans can take.

"The world has changed," former Sen. Kerrey said. "It's a lot harder to tell jokes than it used to be."


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11823.html
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:00 PM
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1. Liberal humor speaks Truth to Power. Conservative "humor" Ridicules the Powerless. n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:00 PM
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2. I don't get the rape/ape joke.
Is it me?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:03 PM
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3. its like 28 years old and no one really knows what he said

and can figure out exactly what the joke was.


Based on the local journalist write up at the time several woman complained to the journalist about a joke that included an "ape" and a "woman that was raped".


Nobody can reconstruct what the joke actually was.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:04 PM
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5. As told the "joke" is singularly unfunny.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:10 PM
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6. it doesn't make sense at all - I agree
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:03 PM
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4. Women should just lay back and enjoy it?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:11 PM
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8. Part of the "women like to be taken by force" rape culture
that still exists in our culture. Ol' Johnny Mac was apparently a card carrying member of that crowd.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:15 PM
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10. I heard it told slightly differently as a child...
and it was disgustingly racist and misogynistic. The punchline is essentially that women "like" to be abused. Classy, no?
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:11 PM
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7. i love a good joke
i like to laugh all day-

yet JSM has NEVER made me even snicker with any of his "jokes"

if this is mccain being mccain, then no thanks
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:14 PM
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9. He has a complete inability to connect with audiences..
especially those younger than senior citizens. He's got zero charisma. Honestly, I can't see what all those women he supposedly ran around with saw in him? Maybe he had some animal magnetism as a younger man, but that's all gone now.

He's in trouble because he can't even fake a Texas swagger like shlubya did. He can't read a teleprompter to save his ass. He talks down to people, and uses that fake insincere "my friends" line over and over again.

I just don't see how he's going to be able to drum up any appeal whatsoever in the coming months.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:16 PM
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11. This needs to be added to the "The Truth about john sidney mccain III" thread:
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 12:26 PM by calimary
(And I just did.)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=106&topic_id=32240

Very good background stuff to add to this activist thread - to use to hit back (and hit back HARD) when you get one of those shitty, distorted, lie-filled emails trying to smear Barack Obama.

I'd add this one, too:

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THE WIFE JOHN MCCAIN LEFT BEHIND
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:40 PM
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12. these are not jokes, they are offensive, stupid, insensitive, ignorant remarks spoken by an idiot
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:52 PM
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13. I wonder if those PUMAs itching to vote for McCain care about him making fun of Chelsea.
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 01:52 PM by GarbagemanLB
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 02:07 PM
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14. Rape jokes are just John Sidney McCain III being authentic, the campaign says!
And McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said McCain's humor is, more broadly, central to his appeal.

"He's long said that he's said and done things in the past that he regrets," Rogers said. "You've just got to move on and be yourself — that's what people want. They want somebody who's authentic, and this kind of stuff is a good example of McCain being McCain."


Isn't that special?
Or should we call it conveeeeeeenient?
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