ive read all sbv threads with glee but i still have one question:

[faithnotgreed]

so very sorry if this has been covered already and or is obvious information. i havent been able to find this in the threads so far and i watch no tv. so again i count on all you incredible disseminators and investigators to please tell me:

when did cordier appear in these ads? im confused because unless he appeared in one that started sometime today why would bush & co say they had no idea that cordier was affiliated with the sbv, and then only tonight release the statement they didnt know?

thank you so much

[Jackpine Radical]

1. That is such a lovely question.

Why, indeed? Perhaps they didn't watch the Smearboat ad. Perhaps it's some kinda rare selective dementia. Perhaps it's prima facie evidence of a felony or three.

Indeedy, 'tis a lovely question.

[faithnotgreed]

4. thank you. i just seemed like an obvious thing.

again, did cordier just appear today in the ad?

otherwise, why would cordier not step down until tonight? i dont get it so i must be missing something important

[A_Possum]

2. I think he's in the POW ad, yes

He was head of some POW organization that had a big grudge against McCain and Kerry for normalizing relations with Vietnam.

[madmax]

3. Here he is

http://www.swiftvets.com/

[LowerManhattanite]

5. Cordier's ad debuted Friday...

...the day Squat McMellon and Marc Racicot swore that there was NO linkage between the Sh*tVets and the Bush campaign. The ad was run all over TV for free for a day and a half. He was listed on the Bush campaigh website until late today as a coordinator of Veterans for Bush--then they yanked his name when people discovered it and it got around on the web.

But it was still in the Google caches and people screen-grabbed it for proof.

BC '04 tried to ditch Cordier this evening with him "leaving the campaign"

Trouble is, Cordier, a campaign "coordinator" shot that ad while still on the campaign's payroll.

The "link" that did not exist, did.

Busted.

[faithnotgreed]

7. thank you. i totally agree with what youve written. though i still

dont understand then how could bush (credibly anyway) only tonight issue a statement that they didnt know cordier was affiliated with the group?

it took them 1 1/2 days to decide that?

if they had come out with that statement yesterday then maybe (with emphasis). but to wait???

i thought smearing and sneaking was the only thing this group did "right"

[LowerManhattanite]

9. Simple...

...they got greedy, sloppy and complacent. Note...regular folks on the net heated up this pan of political Jiffy-Pop. A slew of e-mails went out today to various media sources and voilá! Olberman leads with it (hell, he could be lurking on thse boards trawling for stories), the sh*t hits the fan and Bush and crew throw one over the side for the sharks.

I think the sharks know there more meat in the boat. Chomp! Chomp!

[Lex]

6. Also, just as an FYI, here is the standard of conduct legally.

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A 527 organization cannot legally "coordinate" with the campaign, and here is what constitutes a violation:

The conduct standard is met, whether or not there is a formal agreement or formal collaboration, for communications:

* that are made at the request or suggestion of a candidate, campaign, party or their agents, or

* are the result of material involvement of a candidate or campaign in decisions on the content, intended audience, distribution plans, timing or media used, or

* that are created or distributed after substantial discussion about the candidate or party’s plans, projects, activities or needs, or

* that use a vendor that has provided expert services to the candidate or campaign and conveys information about the candidate’s plans, or

* is paid for or uses information from a former employee or consultant of a candidate who conveys material information about the plans, activities or needs of the campaign.

http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/1215/1/48

[gratuitous]

8. Ain't this fun?

I just laid the Cordier primer on another website where I post, and the silence is deafening.

This isn't even the "B" team. You gotta figure the sophomore or freshman team. Point and laugh at the hapless, children.