"McCain responds to criticism of his war record" - M$RNC Talking Head... No joke. n/t

[burythehatchet]

[4themind]

1. What did McCain say? -nt

[burythehatchet]

3. not the point. Nobody criticized his war record. (except for me)

[nc4bo]

5. wasn't it along the lines of he'd let obama handle it?

I had just walked in from outside and caught literally the end of it.

I was a bit shocked too and ran in here to see if someone caught the entire thing.

[GoldieAZ49]

15. both Obama & McCain commented today

from the AP

Obama also sought to tamp down controversy surrounding comments over the weekend from a supporter. Retired Gen. Wesley Clark said in a television appearance that the Vietnam War-era military service of John McCain, Obama's Republican opponent, does not necessarily qualify him to be commander in chief.

McCain was a fighter pilot who was captured and held as a prisoner of war for more than five years.

Obama said that patriotism "must, if it is to mean anything, involve the willingness to sacrifice" and sought to distance himself from Clark's remarks without mentioning them.

"For those like John McCain who have endured physical torment in service to our country _ no further proof of such sacrifice is necessary," Obama said. "And let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides."

>>>>>>

"I think that that kind of thing is unnecessary," McCain said. "I'm proud of my record of service, I have plenty of friends, leaders who will attest to that.

"The important thing is if that's the kind of campaign Senator Obama and his surrogates and supporters want to engage in, I understand that. But it doesn't reduce the price of gas by one penny. It doesn't achieve our energy independence or make it come any closer. Doesn't make any American stay in their home who's at risk of losing it today. And it certainly doesn't do anything to address the challenges Americans have in keeping their jobs, homes and supporting their families."

Separately, in a statement, Obama spokesman Bill Burton said, "As he's said many times before, Sen. Obama honors and respects Senator McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by Gen. Clark."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA?SITE=NCASH&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[Triana]

18. STRAWMAN: McSame doesn't plan on DOING anything about any of those issues he mentions...

..exactly what are his policies that will "reduce the price of gas, achieve our energy independence, make any American stay in their home who's at risk of losing it today, address the challenges Americans have in keeping their jobs, homes and supporting their families." (??)

OBAMA has policies that will more likely help with all of those things - not McSame. But McSame attacks Obama on these issues while stating Obama attacked his service record. OBAMA HAS NOT attacked McSame's damned service record, first of all. SECONDLY, McSame intends to do exactly NOTHING to fix that entire list of things he named while claiming Obama attacked his service record.

A strawman inside a strawman.

Once again McCain, the Republicans in tandem with the media keep the public all wrapped up in distraction after distraction, strawman argument after strawman argument, deception on top of pretentious lies and MORE strawman arguments.

GOD. It reminds me of an ABUSIVE jerk I dumped years ago. They act JUST like him. It's called "crazymaking". It's also called ABUSE.

NO WONDER we can't get a decent g*damned president elected in this country. The sheeple need to turn their TVs OFF and stop accepting the ABUSE of the media and the Repigs.

[GoldieAZ49]

25. If it wasn't for TV no one would know who Obama is.

nor would they have heard any of his speeches.

It was the 2004 convention that people first heard him on TV.

[Triana]

27. See #23 and my response! :) n/t

[bluethruandthru]

23. Maybe we should ask McSame if wearing a flag lapel pin

brings down the price of gas? Or if a candidate's middle name helps or hurts Americans who are trying to keep their jobs...or whether statements made by a candidate's pastor will help American's keep their homes from being foreclosed on.

It seems these are important issues to the republicans. I guess they can see a direct correlation between these non-issues and the real problems we face.

[Triana]

26. Now if we had a REAL news media - they would shoot back with those sorts of questions..

...but we don't - our media is state-owned and run. Propaganda.

[skooooo]

2. Fuck it, they ripped up Kerry's record...

Make them play defense.

[burythehatchet]

4. nobody criticized his war record. (except me)

[skooooo]

7. huh?

"Nobody criticized his (? whose?) war record..."


Not sure I follow you.

[jobycom]

14. McCain's. See post 3.

[skooooo]

16. Oh yeah..

I agree. I don't know why they are framing it like that -- well take that back, I know why they are framing it like that, but it's wrong.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Not one person criticized his war record, except for fellow vets and Republicans, that is.

[Tatiana]

8. LOL! I'm loving this. This is taking the fight to their doorstep.

Bet the right-wingers are thinking twice about their swiftboating of Kerry now. And we're talking about a 4-star General that is bringing the heat!

GO WES GO!

[Triana]

9. NOBODY is criticizing his "war record" - FALSE pretense/strawman argument

No one is questioning McCain's military service.

What they are challenging is the presumption that his service automagically prepared him for the job of Commander in Chief, particularly as pertains to strategic issues, policymaking and diplomacy - so that argument is a strawman argument. It sets up a false pretense, because McCain's service isn't what anyone is questioning.

This crap is a DISTRACTION tactic. It is a strawman intended to take attention away from the fact that, while McCain's service was certainly honorable - that does NOT automatically qualify him to be President and to decide strategic issues, make policy, or to carry out diplomacy.

DOH.

[jobycom]

13. That was the OP's point. nt

[Donna Zen]

17. Well besides the MSM

Democrats are helping them spread this lie.

No one criticized his war record.

I criticize McCain for sending the troops into a unnecessay war and kissing the man who didn't even send those troops with the equipment they needed.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Want to respond to MSM?

Here-
CONTACTS:
Morning Joe Contact page - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/
Chris Matthews [email protected]
Race to the White House contact page http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23598392
Rachel Maddows [email protected]
Keith Olbermann [email protected]
Dan Abrams Contact page http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19599749 /
(Fill in the "Beat the Press" feedback section in lower right column)

Also:
CNN contact page: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv/
If you look at the bottom of that page, there is all of the anchor's names. Just click on the name, and it takes you to an individual contact page for that commentator.

FUCK Fox. I can't even start with them.

[high density]

11. Coming from the same MSM that forced Obama to leave his church

These people are insane. Do people edit the copy before it goes on air, or does somebody just read stuff that's written on a bathroom stall and broadcast it?

[burythehatchet]

20. you got it all wrong. This is very sophisticated media deployment.

Most people will never know that the McCain's are TAX CHEATS

[jobycom]

12. The media's actions here are far more intriguing than Clark's statement.

What are they up to? Clark's a minor player so far, unless they believe he's a front runner for the VP. So why are they doing this? Is it to vet McCain's war record, to make it off limits later? Is it to derail Clark, and, if so, why? Are they afraid Clark makes Obama a winning ticket, or are they trying to dump Clark just to say they did and flex their own muscles, or are they hoping to knock him out to increase the odds of Clinton on the ticket?

To me, that's the story. I don't much care whether Clark's on the ticket or not, honestly. Plenty of good choices out there, and he's certainly one of them. But what is the media up to?

[burythehatchet]

19. Very good questions, indeed. There's a post with a link to FDL that answers

some of them.

[jobycom]

21. What post, and what's FDL?

[burythehatchet]

24. FDL is Firedoglake. Here's the thread link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6431287

[Sparkly]

22. Criticism of his war record?!?!?

:wow: :mad: :puke: :wow: