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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:03 PM
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You Can't Always Get What You Want
by Joseph A. Palermo

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the greatest, most progressive president of the 20th Century. He also tried to stack the Supreme Court and imprisoned 112,000 Japanese-Americans without due process.

(snip)

John F. Kennedy is often lauded as the greatest president of the post-World War Two era. He launched a terror campaign against Cuba, defoliated large swathes of South Vietnam, and was slow in responding to the civil rights movement.

(snip)

I disagree with Barack Obama's support of this legislative attack on the U.S. Constitution...Obama says he disagrees with the Supreme Court's ruling striking down the Louisiana death penalty statute. I've always opposed the death penalty...I also wanted the Democratic Congress to impeach George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. And I wanted Congress to cut off all funding for the Iraq war.

To quote the great 20th Century British philosopher, Sir Mick Jagger: "You Can't Always Get What You Want."

But we still need Barack Obama to win in November.

What Obama has done is obvious: He has attempted to neutralize the Republican attacks. If he voted against the FISA bill the Republicans would have an opening to claim that he is unfit to be Commander-in-Chief because he voted to tie the hands of the president in the epic struggle against terrorism. If he comes out against the death penalty too strongly they'll say he's "soft on crime." And if he opposed the high court's ruling on handguns the NRA and the gun nuts would be energized beyond belief...

The gap between the rich and the poor is wider than it has ever been in American history; the economy has tanked; people are losing their homes; we're in the midst of an energy crisis; the war in Iraq is draining the Treasury; the Constitution is in tatters, and so on, and on and on.

Some among the Left Netroots now seem to want Obama's head on a platter for his recent capitulations....The Left demands "purity." But Realpolitik demands that Obama placate Wall Street to a degree. And we all should recognize that the United States of America is going to continue to be an Empire no matter who is president.

(snip)

Obama has an uphill climb, even with all his successful fundraising, because he is African American and must overcome deep and entrenched racism. (There are a number of racist websites that have popped up targeting Obama and just wait for those white supremacist 527s.) Obama can still lose this thing.

But we might have a chance of electing the most progressive candidate the American political system will allow. After he's elected we will hold Obama's feet to the fire. There will be disappointments. But what's new about that? The Left is always disappointed. At least with Obama we have the potential for real progressive change. The alternative is Bushism without Bush.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/you-cant-always-get-what_b_109675.html




We have two choices in November: McCain or Obama. That's it. Those are our only two choices. You can wish your candidate was still in the race, bemoan the lack of a third party or dislike both those options. But, these are the only two options we have. Only. Two.

And which of those two do you think will better reflect your opinions and how you want this country to go from January 2009 forward?

You may not agree with everything your choice says, thinks or does. No, actually you WILL not agree with everything they say, think or do. Unless you yourself are on the ballot, that will never happen. What will happen is this: we will have a McCain presidency or we will have an Obama presidency. Which one will you work for?



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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:26 PM
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1. Well said, AZBlue. K&R.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:37 PM
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2. Here here!
K&R!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:42 PM
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3. Acceptance is a good thing.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:47 PM
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4. K&R
:kick:
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:34 PM
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5. Don't Forget his New Position on NAFTA
http://www.alternet.org/election08/88754 /

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Unfortunately, Obama, who sent so many smart signals on trade issues when he was competing with Hillary Clinton for his party's presidential nomination, appears to now be backtracking toward the insider territory occupied by McCain.

Obama's interview with Fortune magazine -- headlined "Obama: NAFTA Not So Bad After All" -- is the best news the McCain camp has received since Mike Huckabee folded his run for the Republican nomination.

<more>
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:42 PM
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8. Obama still says needs regotiation. Headlines the work of editors.
He is for free trade with responsibilities for labor and the environment-a long held Dem platform. We can't put the genie back in the bottle.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:59 AM
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13. somehow you forgot the meat of the article that contradicts the sensational headline
Obama says he believes in "opening up a dialogue" with trading partners Canada and Mexico "and figuring to how we can make this work for all people."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said that Obama-as the candidate noted in Fortune's interview-has not changed his core position on NAFTA, and that he has always said he would talk to the leaders of Canada and Mexico in an effort to include enforceable labor and environmental standards in the pact.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:54 PM
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17. Is tht the problem?
Some people didn't really pay attention to what Obama stood for and actually thought he was going to be a carbon-copy of them?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:21 PM
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6. "...but if you try sometimes, you might get what you NEED." I believe we have this election year. nt
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:34 AM
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10. Indeed - he is exactly what we NEED.
Well said! :D
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:38 PM
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7. Let me repeat this phrase, in case anyone skimmed over it:
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 09:38 PM by tblue37
". . . the most progressive candidate the American political system will allow."
We really do have to work with what the system will allow.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:35 AM
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11. It's all we've got.
Acceptance of reality is a good and a healthy thing!
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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:48 PM
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9. Noam Chomsky said in October 2004:
"The U.S. presidential race, impassioned almost to the point of hysteria, hardly represents healthy democratic impulses."

You're right:
"At least with Obama we have the potential for real progressive change."
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:32 AM
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12. know what's going to happen if he really goes for substantive, meaningful change,
which ONLY means going against global corporate interests across the economic and media spectrum?

think about it......

sad to say, don't get your hopes up

hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 04:39 PM
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14. kick
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 04:45 PM
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15. If find it pretty funny that the original Obama campaigners here think this is still an issue.
:eyes:

Just because there are DUers who don't agree with every god damn thing that

comes out of Obama's mouth, IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM McLAME SUPPORTERS!!

Gheesh!! Would you all just get a fucking grip? And if you're upset that people

have reacted negatively by some of Obama's comments and changes in policy stands,

then BLAME OBAMA!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:52 PM
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16. I have no problem with those who've been disappointed.
Those who have said they will no longer work for or support him are being ridiculous. Those are are shocked, outraged, sleepless over it are absurd. Those are the ones this post was aimed at.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:57 PM
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18. Well I saw John McCain at the station
in his hands was a bleeding man
He was practiced at the art of deception
I could tell by his blood stained hands

(apologies to Mick & Keith)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tog4YTM25kw
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