For all who think we should give Hillary a break...

[msallied]

What crap. Honestly. Why doesn't she give AMERICA a break? Why can't she find within her the grace and humility to concede defeat like the thousands of men and women before her who came in second in a political race? Were THEIR ambitions somehow less important that they were able to concede? Is she special just because she's a woman running for the highest office in the land? As if she is the first person to lose a race in American politics! To defend her petulant, undignified, harmful, and downright unhinged behavior is baffling to me. Yes, she can be sad she lost. She can be devastated, disappointed, weepy, and heartbroken. She can even admit as much out loud. In fact, if she did that, I would actually have sympathy for her. But what she did tonight has officially killed whatever capacity for it I had.

If she lacks what it takes to be big in the face of defeat, then she lacks what it take to be the leader of this country, and that is the ability to do what our current President is also unable to do--swallow pride and admit when you've finally lost and do what you can to pitch in and help pick up the pieces. By acting this way, she's losing a hell of a lot more than the nomination. She's losing respect, credibility, and any shot she has at a spot in the future administration or a decent legacy. She has made this all about HERSELF and her dreams, her hopes, her aspirations, when it was supposed to be about US, it was supposed to be about America. I think she lost sight of that, if she ever had it to begin with.

People are tired of this. People want to move on. They are finished with the drama and the uncertainty and the spectacle that this process has become. They are hungry for someone to unite behind and we finally have that someone! Wouldn't it be great if Hillary could find the silver lining in all of this and unite behind us?

I'm not a "sore winner." In fact, I'd like to be as exuberant as humanly possible. It would just be easier if the REAL loser weren't doing her best to piss all over it.

Think about it this way -- if Al Gore could be a big man after actually winning a race and having to concede anyway, then she really has no effing room to complain.

[still_one]

1. I couldn't agree with you more. After that speech of hers, if Obama chooses her as VP

I will have to seriously question his judgement

[onehandle]

4. So you'll drop your support for Obama and help McCain?

So sad.

[still_one]

9. No I won't vote for mccain, but I will question obama's judgement seriously

The Clinton campaign has been a disgrace in my view

Obama's speech was all about others

Her speech was all about her

[msallied]

20. While I'd still vote for him, no question, I'd do it with a lot less enthusiasm.

luckily we don't have to worry about it. I highly doubt after tonight he'll even consider it.

[iamthebandfanman]

24. and with out any more financial support

as well.

but i doubt it too.

[PoliticalAmazon]

28. ITA. I've said all along that I won't vote for Hillary. Period. If I wanted to vote...

for Hillary, I would be a Hillary supporter.

[janet118]

38. He'd have to be crazy to let her (or Bill) near the White House

First of all, Clinton has proved herself to be a total snake. You don't let a snake into your house. She is untrustworthy and not a team player. Obama would have to be checking his back constantly.

It would turn his presidency into a re-run of "As the Clintons Turn." They would hog the media spotlight and probably embarrass the Obama administration in both old and new ways.

Don't even go there, Barack. You've been warned.

[msallied]

41. I couldn't agree more.

Frankly, I'd be very suspicious of the kind of dealings going on with the Clintons back in the White House. They have gotten more greedy and corrupt in the private sector.

[onehandle]

2. Final moments like this are scripted by both sides together. It's over. Relax. nt

[still_one]

8. No way, this is her script. Obama's speech was about others

clinton's speech was about HER

that speaks volumes

[PoliticalAmazon]

29. Obama's speech was so far above McCain's and Hillary's--he is presidential,...

they are not.

I don't know what it will take to get rid of Hillary, but it has to be done.

KHTTC.

[janet118]

23. Rewrite!!!!! n/t

[Webster Green]

3. She's a fucking nut-job..

She would be a horrible president. :thumbsdown:

[still_one]

6. Therefore she is not qualifed to be vice president either /nt

[Webster Green]

12. She would be similar to the big dick..

They both want to destroy Iran

[scheming daemons]

5. K&R.... exactly right....

Lots of people in the past have lost campaigns.


Almost all of them were gracious in defeat and CONCEDED the defeat when the numbers were clear.


Why does Hillary think that she SINGULARLY is different from any other losing candidate the past 230 years?


She's a bad person. A good person congratulates her opponent on a win (not just on a "run") when the win is obvious.

[napi21]

7. Because she has a very strong constituency who will mostly follow

her lead. She has lost the presidential candidacy win, but her supporters are still very loyal and Barack NEED THEM to win in Nov! She's in a power position right now, and I don't blame her for using it. I've said it on several other posts, I don't think it's a good idea to have her as the VP, but I'd love to see her as the Senate Majority Leader. I have no idea what she's thinking right now, but if I were in her position, I'd hold off too!

[msallied]

13. Oh I disagree. He doesn't need to be a chump for her and she's in no position

to dangle her supporters over her head. 18 million voted for her and 90% of them will vote for him in November because most of them are loyal Democrats.

[still_one]

14. If her supporters are stupid enough not to vote for the Democratic nominee

it will be quite interesting if Obama loses because of THEIR ego, how they react to a mccain presidency

[msallied]

17. Hoisted by their own petard they would be.

What they don't realize is that if one is disillusioned by American politics, change has to start from the bottom up. Voting for the other guy in a Presidential election is just stupid when you're angry. It's best to vote differently on the local level and make changes close to home, and then eventually you see the change you want at the national level.

[still_one]

36. If they don't like the rules, then they should work to change them /nt

[NanceGreggs]

18. "Hold off" to what purpose?

Why is blackmailing a fellow Dem, or the party as a whole, now seen as something positive, or honourable?

The only "power position" she's in right now is the one that exists in her own deluded mind. She seems to think that everyone who supported her candidacy is "owned", and will act according to her bidding.

Well, here's a news flash for Hill: millions of Americans voted for her in the primaries because she was a Democratic candidate. And now that they have a Democratic nominee she's just another also-ran, whose supporters will move on.

[napi21]

44. Maybe, but it wtill would be a big help if she would ask them to

support Barack because SHE was supporting him too. You folks don't seem to understand how older women and many blue collar lower income workers think. I'm not saying they'll vote for McCain. They most likely won't. But if they remain pissed off because THEIR CANDIDATE didn't win, they'll stay home! As Democrats, we don't NEED THAT! Both sides are angry now and still very angry with each other. I'm truely hoping that by next week most of that anger will subside.

I heard an interesting tidbit today on some radio show. Howard Dean said it took him almost 2 months to convince his supporters to support Kerry. It doesn't happen quickly or easily!

[Lugnut]

10. She reminds me of George Bush the 43rd.

He listens to nothing but the voices in his head.

[CreekDog]

11. this is partially the reason why her health care effort in 1994 failed spectacularly

without even a compromise that would've done 10% of what she wanted, instead she got 0% and Democrats lost the congress.

(to be fair, the media and money fought against it unfairly, but nevermind that for one moment)

it was her inability to make adjustments and acknowledge her likely defeat on this issue that kept her from making the changes to make the program get through, at least in some form, instead she got nothing.

she didn't need to get nothing, all of it would have been a coup, but to get 0%, that's a disaster.

that's Hillary. i give her an A for effort, but not for shrewdness.

[still_one]

15. just like her campaign /nt

[msallied]

16. Damn straight. This is why I often draw Bush parallels to her.

Although their politics differ in a lot of ways, their personalities and the way they conduct business are too similar for comfort. We don't need more of this in the White House. We need someone who is willing to listen and make the concessions necessary to lead this diverse nation. What the hell happened to thoughtful leadership in this country?

[TahitiNut]

19. But, but, but it's NO FAIR!!!

[msallied]

21. That is my favorite political cartoon of the season thus far.

So apt, really.

[TahitiNut]

27. It really is. It's iconic of her entire melodrama.

She's portrayed EVERY hackneyed faux-feminist joke. It's appalling. I'd thought we'd come far enough to see such blatant crap for what it is. After all, even Kay Bailey Hutchison does better. She's a self-actualized corrupt pol.

[guruoo]

22. Obama won. Time to let it go.

[nvme]

25. Hillary is doing her best

She has an awful lot of power right now. I would expect no less from hillary. She plays hardball. She is not disconnected from reality. Her speech demonstrates that she is expects rewards for this hard fought race. The bargaining is going to go on and she will fight for what she believes she is entitled to. I have no great love for her, but I do understand and admire her perseverence. She will ultimately concede. She made it clear no concession tonight prior to this event. She knows she has to concede in a way that is acceptable to her supporters not to any who support Obama. If she does it any other way her supports will turn away from the party's nominee. She is going to look out for her campaign staff and her agenda that is her right. In a few weeks this should blow over. Right now it is the Kabuke (sorry if misspelled). This is a stylized dance that must take its course.

[msallied]

30. Screw her and her expectations. The loser is in no position to make demands. Ever.

To suggest something undermines the winner. It's Obama who is in a place of power. She needs to learn her place, and it's second.

[still_one]

31. Well according to the RULES, SHE LOST. /nt

[breakaleg]

34. Reports coming out of the Obama campaign is that this hardball tactic is failing

miserably. One person said her chances of getting the VP slot went from 50/50 to 80/20 against. I guess if you look at how poorly she ran her campaign, then this misreading of the situation is par for the course.

[msallied]

39. Bingo! We have a winner!

Why don't more people realize this.

People lose typically because they didn't perform as well as the winner. It's generally not a fluke, that delegates got caught in a high wind and accidentally blew into Obama's column. lol

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. Thank you for your clarity. We can't move on if Hillary continues to be a poor loser...

not without destroying her, Bill and Chelsea. This is something most Democrats would like to avoid. But she is making it impossible by her inability to graciously concede.

Thank you for your post. You've said much more graciously than I have said in my typical Amazon fashion. Perhaps they will listen to you.

[msallied]

33. haha... I'm far from gracious. I had to backspace over a lot of swear words. lol

But thank you. I doubt anything will sink in with her most ardent of supporters, who have proven to be more like their leader than I was initially too optimistic to believe was possible. :(

[PoliticalAmazon]

37. Well, at least you backspaced...I believe the time for backspacing is behind us....

We need to get rid of her. We can't move on as a party as long as she is manipulating her more gullible supporters to shout "Denver, Denver!"

But I do appreciate your optimism. I have none left. You are a good influence on me.

[msallied]

42. I thought I was cynical until I encountered the diehard Hill fans and got a glimpse

at their unfounded hatred of Obama and his message. I've never seen so many people hate "hope" so much. lol I think a lot of the reason I'm not as caustic here as I'd like to be is because I haven't been here long enough. hahaha... But if I can be a good influence in the meantime, so be it. I do enjoy your posts a lot though. I don't think I've read anything I didn't enthusiastically agree with. :)

[breakaleg]

32. Exactly. She missed an opportunity to bring the party together and ask her supporters to

support Obama and she chose to think only of herself. What's with that stupid write in campaign on her website? How does that help anyone but her?

[PoliticalAmazon]

40. She also missed a point to redeem her and Bill's legacy....

In my book, they are done.

I hope that someone runs against her when she comes up for reelection in the Senate. I will gladly donate my services pro bono.

[Raine]

35. I've come to believe that Hillary actually hates Obama

more than she hates McCain. :-(

[msallied]

43. The sad thing is, I don't think she really sees him as a person.

He's an obstacle in her way, and I'm quite sure she would come to view and treat John McCain the same way if she'd made it to the general election.