What is Hillary's popular vote lead with her win in PR today?

[kentuck]

I think I read that she was about 6,000 votes ahead of Obama in the popular vote if she counted Michigan in her totals and gave Obama zero. Since he took his name off the ballot, that was his problem. Even though both of them signed a paper saying that Michigan would not count.

How much did she end up winning by today and how much would she be ahead if we counted Michigan? Is it possible for Obama to catch her in the popular vote in the small-vote states of Montana and South Dakota? Any late numbers on this??

[anonymous171]

1. If we had an apple eating contest and you ate 5 oranges along with 5 apples

and I ate 7 apples, I would still win.

[mystieus]

2. lol, i'm sorry

[Muttocracy]

5. great answer. nt

[BuyingThyme]

9. That's really very good.

[wvbygod]

16. Yes, but I would not be bellyaching as much

And my loss would be more balanced and healthy than such gluteny.

[papau]

19. Real Clear Politics has Hillary ahead 48.1 to 47.3

[anonymous171]

20. You are counting oranges in an apple contest.

[hisownpetard]

24. Excellent answer! Love it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. The Democratic Party doesn't use popular vote for the Primaries

delegates

[MadBadger]

4. Here are the two possible scenarios for counting the vote I have listed.

The delegates were not seated in Michigan in proportion to the primary, so the vote cannot be seated in that fashion, and uncommitted no longer exists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6220390&mesg_id=6220390

[Oregone]

6. What popular vote?

[tritsofme]

7. These are the scenarios:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[NotThisTime]

15. So this has him up 44K when you include FL/MI & 4 caucus states but misses Virgin Islands

Citizens Abroad and Guam, either way you look at it, he's still ahead...

[kentuck]

Thank you very much.

That was the information I was looking for.

[madfloridian]

8. There is NO popular vote lead unless you exclude many states.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3372823

[DesEtoiles]

10. negative

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[scheming daemons]

12. Who cares? Clinton campaign in Dec: "The only metric is delegates"

[kentuck]

13. Thanks but...

I found the answer on DailyKos. :-)

[Mezzo]

18. It's a shame this thread couldn't be about your OP. Guess I'll check over at 'kos too

since you didn't share here (PS. you prolly should have) :)

[madfloridian]

21. I posted from Kos and TPM. She has NO popular vote lead. NO lead at all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3372823

[hisownpetard]

25. Thank you, madfloridian!

You are worth your weight in gold.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Clinton already lost the whole enchalada. We beat her, soundly and roundly. She should leave.

Get it?

[Donna Zen]

17. Don't ask me...my state no longe counts

We followed the rules, elected delegates by caucus, and didn't tally the popular vote. Gee, if they told us in advance then we could have scheduled a primary. But following the rules is a fools game, and thus we must roll over for the Clinton machine because the media sure isn't going to report the facts. I had one online Clinton supporter reply to me that they didn't even think Maine was a state.

Yes I am really pissed about this. If they wanted this to be decided by popular vote then the least they might have done was told us.

[thoughtcrime1984]

22. No kidding! There are no "popular votes" in the primaries, some caucus states don't even have raw

vote totals...If that was a metric that should at all be used to determine a winner, then that'd be in the rules, and would be known by each state, leading to 50 primaries and no caucuses, obviously.

[Donna Zen]

23. Too late

No one seems to be calling Senator Clinton out on her new ads, nor have the DNC or Obama Camp made a fuss about this. And yet, my state's votes aren't included in the total because we didn't have a primary. We're out. Sure our caucus was great for party building, but we should have had a primary so we could have racked up a vote total and made our voices heard.

I would suggest that the voters may not bother to attend their state's caucus the next time now that we are second class citizens.

It is amazing to me that the Clinton supporters were willing to stand in the street for voters from states whose Democratic parties failed their voters, but they don't give a squat about states that played by rules. Naw! Just dump us.

[Yotun]

26. Her popular vote lead is... meaningless. And that is the only answer nt

[Swamp Rat]

27. Same as it was yesterday.

Puerto Rico is not a State in the Union. Their 'votes' do not count in the General election, so no "popular vote" can be derived from Puerto Rico - it is a misnomer. Electors from States cast votes which decide who becomes President of the United States.

"Who really elects the President of the United States?

Every fourth November, after almost two years of campaign hype and money, over 90 million Americans vote for the presidential candidates. Then, in the middle of December, the president and vice president of the United States are really elected by the votes of only 538 citizens -- the "electors" of the Electoral College.

How the Electoral College Elects the President

When you vote for a presidential candidate you are really voting to instruct the electors from your state to cast their votes for the same candidate. For example, if you vote for the Republican candidate, you are really voting for an elector who will be "pledged" to vote for the Republican candidate. The candidate who wins the popular vote in a state wins all the pledged votes of the state's electors.

The Electoral College system was established in Article II of the Constitution and amended by the 12th Amendment in 1804."

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepoliticalsystem/a/electcollege.htm

[IntravenousDemilo]

28. The most important sentence in your post:

Even though both of them signed a paper saying that Michigan would not count.

I tend to prefer people who are true to their word.

[Kittycat]

29. Michigan votes were thrown out. Delegates seated 69-59 w/.5 vote power

[merh]

30. Popular vote doesn't count in the primaries

or the General Election - we KNOW in 2000 Gore won the popular vote - they stole the electoral votes from him.