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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:25 PM
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Obama Now Controls the Democratic Party
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/5/31/194520/141

Obama Now Controls the Democratic Party

by BooMan
Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:45:20 PM EST


Well...a remarkable thing just happened. We just discovered that the Clintons no longer control the Democratic National Committee. They were unable to win a single argument today. The Obama campaign joined both the Florida and Michigan Democratic Party's proposals, and both proposals prevailed. In Florida, the delegation was restored but given only half votes. In Michigan, the delegation was also restored, but given only half votes. But the Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) chucked out the results of the Michigan primary and instead used a formula awarding Obama all Uncommitted delegates plus four delegates the election results would have awarded to Clinton.

As a result, the absolute voting power of both states was halved. Clinton emerged with 19 net votes out of Florida, but that is offset by 4.5 votes that Edwards received. Her advantage out of Michigan was a mere five delegates. In other words, she picked up approximately 20 delegates today. In addition, the RBC did not recognize the validity of the Michigan primary thereby undermining any claim that the Clinton's could make for winning the popular votes there.

During the vote over the Michigan proposal, Harold Ickes spoke for the Clinton campaign. He was furious and he accused the committee of 'hijacking' four of Clinton's delegates. He informed the committee that he had been instructed by Hillary Clinton to tell them that she reserved the right to appeal their decision at the Credentials Committee in Denver. This evoked a very angry response from one of the black members of the Committee (I'll update with his name) who gave a history lesson on the Mississippi Freedom Party and showed real moral indignation at the dishonest and insincere arguments that have been made by Harold Ickes and some other Clinton allies. The most important signal came from former DNC Chair Don Fowler of South Carolina. Fowler is very well respected and he is a prominent Clinton supporter. He sharply disagreed with Ickes. He said that he didn't get what he wanted out of the negotiations but that he supported the Michigan proposal as the best and fairest solution available to bring about party unity. He praised Jim Roosevelt and Alexis Harman, the co-chairs, for running an excellent hearing.

Nevertheless, the final vote was 19-8. It was a 2-1 decision that was supported by the Michigan Democratic Party and the Obama campaign. The Clintons may reserve the right to appeal but they don't have a leg to stand on. I understand that the Clinton campaign has also sent out a press release now reaffirming their right to appeal. So, we'll have to see what the Clintons will do, but it is clear that their camp is angrier than a swarm of hornets.

Personally, I think we should treat them like a swarm of hornets and run for cover, because they're capable of anything right now.


As for the New Math, the new magic number will be 2,117 or 2,118 (when Donna Edwards is elected, it will change the math slightly). Obama now has 2,053 delegates and so is 64 delegates short of the nomination. He will win approximately 42 delegates from the remaining three contests. So, I think we can say with confidence that he needs 20-22 superdelegates out of the remaining 205 superdelegates. In reality, between not yet awarded add-on delegates, Edwards delegates, the Pelosi delegates that will go to the winner of the pledged delegate war, Rahm Emanuel, Jim Clyburn, Donna Brazille, etc., Obama already has more than the 20-22 delegates he needs. He is now assured of winning the nomination and he can probably make that announcement official after the polls close in Montana on Tuesday night.

Let's all take a moment to celebrate.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:27 PM
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1. Not at all
Edited on Sat May-31-08 08:29 PM by OzarkDem
He controls nothing more than a group of Democrats, and I'd question whether many of them actually are.

On edit, it might not be a bad idea for him to attempt to exert that presumed power. The sooner the rank and file members of the party wake up and realize what an unprincipled, greedy, power hungry person he is, the sooner they will rid themselves of his influence.

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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Denial Denial
Oh well after November it will be fully apparrant that the machine politics of the past have ended.

CLINTON LOST!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:30 PM
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7. Edited, read again
I think it would be a good idea for him to attempt to exert his illusory power. The sooner he gets a reality check from the Democratic base, the better.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:32 PM
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16. We got a reality check today.
A reality check that Clinton no longer can force her way to the nomination!

Your powers are gone the younger generations are gaining and there are going to be better days ahead.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #7
26. projection. he's double digit ahead of her sorry ass. they are seeing
and liking. Her? Not so much.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #7
30. The Democratic base voted for Obama
The Democratic base will celebrate the death of the DLC.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #30
69. I can't wait for the fu**in funeral! (nt)
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #7
67. The Democratic base supports Obama. Too bad you're not part of it anymore.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:13 AM
Response to Reply #67
100. Well, I'd guess
she's been awful busy in the 'Reality free' zone, curled up in the fetal position, trying to convince the great unwashed masses to convert to 'oppositelandism,' or strafing message board threads with bile and hatred. With all that going on, I don't suppose she has time to devote to being a part of the democratic base
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
72. Some of you wouldn't know reality if it bit you on the butt
Yes you!
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #7
74. And our demise rests soley with him now. nt.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #74
106. You know what's funny?
That you're obviously not talking about Democrats when you say "our".

Lots of people are going to suffer his Presidency, but it won't be the people.

It will be Republican Politicians who suffer from the straight ticket bloodbath he'll bring in November.
It will be Members of the Bush administration that will be investigated for war crimes.
It will be the 'poor starving' defense contractors.
It will be 'welfare king' Oil Companies who might have to pay a fair share of taxes.
And he will have to put up with the Corporate Media that will fight him tooth and nail for all of that suffering he causes TPTB.

I'm not sure which one of those you lump yourself in with, or if you're just some poor, stupid, brainwashed dupe that the Powers that Be toss out like so much fodder, but the bottom line is that you know nothing about the man while making gross, ignorant projections.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

~ What she said.

I'll be quite glad when all of you one-note-wonders are out of here and the adults can have the place back. Or I'll be tremendously shocked if you can manage to change your tune. But I'll bet your job will be done here by Wednesday and we won't see you around anymore.

Later.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #7
87. 1.5 million donors and counting. Check THAT reality n/t
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #7
123. I think you meant to say "she".
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. LOL
Do you live in a fog? Must be thick there.

:hi:
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. OzarkDem
I'll give you credit for tenacity. I will say though that what you just wrote would be what is referred to as "projection."
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #9
37. Amazing
I have her on ignore, but I can usually tell who it is by the responses (without a post like yours naming her).

It's time for that cab to get here.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #37
107. S'ok, I got her keys.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #37
124. ..
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 08:19 PM by Bensthename
Again. :puke:


Woops that was for Ozark dem... She/he will be gone this time next week..
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #9
38. Exactly.
Edited on Sat May-31-08 09:19 PM by TahitiNut
It's the same projection indulged in by conservatives and sociopaths.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #9
44. rottweilers are
tenacious too.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Yup. And some of them are trained to ....
... hate "uppity black men," too. :eyes: Just sayin'. :shrug:

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #9
47. Obama supporters need to get out more often n/t
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #9
88. Ah, so THAT's who it is....
I was coasting along in a blissful, crazy-free zone yet experiencing mild curiousity as to who from my "ignore" list was kicking up such a fuss. ;)
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. I agree - Dean gave DFA to Obama early and the DNC to him in Dec 07 - O will have 1/2 of party now
love that unity
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #13
29. You are so utterly, totally full of shit.
Dean can't give the DNC to anybody. The DNC is Democrats. Some support Obama. Some support Clinton. Just look at the rules committee - it was NOT an anti-Clinton set up.

The DLC, otoh, is very clear that it stands in opposition to Dean, not in oppostion to the DNC, because they want to take the DNC over again - they really want to lose some more elections, I guess.

It is the DLC that is splitting the party - just as they were designed to do with their "third way" bullshit. As far as I care the DLC can all go and suck Lieberman's dick.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #29
60. Of course he is - you're talking to a poster whom the mods caught plagiarizing others' work TWICE.
Edited on Sat May-31-08 09:52 PM by Zhade
NT!

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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. Really? A plagiarist? In my classes, plagiarists FAIL.
No exceptions. I'm surprised that troll is still here.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
15. I should have done this a long time ago...
IGNORE.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #15
59. yeah really....
it's a freak show I can do without.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #15
71. I cleared out my ignore list awhile ago - all but 4 posters.
This is one of them. (whoever it is)
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #71
103. Yup.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
17. Hillary's supporters on the committe abandoned her
Despite week of recieving shoes and oranges in the mail.

She had 15 declared supporters and she only got 8 votes in opposition. Its over for her.
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. Laughable
n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. .
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #21
81. Oh Shit -- I just got it. De Nile! LOL LOL LOL!!! nt
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #21
104. ROTFLMAO!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
24. you are a whack job. plain and simple. REALLLY nutso.
I think you should drink a warm glass of milk and go nitey nite.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
25. If that makes you happy to think that, go ahead. as for the
comments: unprincipled, greed, power hungry person, its not nice to talk about hillary that way. the rank and file of the party are walking up to such a person and they are kicking her pant suited ass out of the train. Buh-bye, loser! they are all shouting as they look forward to a new tomorrow where idiots don't assume that they deserve something they never earned just because their husband had it once.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
31. Do McCain's checks bounce? I understand Hills do....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #1
34. He'll exert the presumed power once Clinton steps down; he's being
a gentleman and giving her space now. That might be an odd concept to you, even though that's how he's run his campaign.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #34
112. Being a 'Gentleman' is SEXIST!
How dare he?!?

:silly:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
54. "...unprincipled, greedy, power hungry person..." That is an apt description of the entire
Clinton camp.

Thank Goddess the DLC machine is finally going to be dismantled. The Democratic Party might actually have a chance to represent the People instead of the corporations.

sw
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
58. Soon you will be forced to choose: stop opposing our candidate, or get the fuck out.
I encourage you to choose the latter, before your willful blindness to reality brings on an encounter with the banhammer.

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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
66. is your boy Edwards one of the democrats you're questioning?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #1
89. Unprincipled, greedy, power hungry? Uppity, perhaps?
The only thing Obama is guilty of is daring to be too good of a candidate, and having the gall to seriously challenge your candidate to a nomination that she assumed was her birthright. How dare he.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #1
92. There are some people on this board who are champions of
projection.

And you, OzarkDem, are one of them.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #1
96. Get over it and get behind our nominee,
Your assessment of both candidates is badly distorted. Hillary is the cause of all her own misery. Obama is a good man and will be an excellent president. Get over it and get behind our nominee.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:28 PM
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2. HOORAY FOR AMERICA!!! HOORAY FOR DEMOCRACY!!!


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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. AMEN!!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
22. OK..... another KNEE jerk REAction... use LOGIC sometime KID!!!
:) :toast: :thumbsup: :hi: :pals:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
46. UnFreakin'Real!
:patriot: :patriot: :bounce: :bounce: :kick: :kick: :party: :party:

I will allow myself a moment of unadulterated joy.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #46
77. Exactly!
:patriot: :party: :toast:

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #2
110. No snark?
:thumbsdown:

Swampy is getting soft! :grr:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #110
113. LOL!
I've laid off, just a little. It's 'Be Kind to Stuffed Animals Day.' :D



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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #113
114. Btw,
Do you have your collection available for viewing? I bet I've missed some funny shit.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #114
116. Yes, but I need to update it.
www.swamp-rat.com

I'll get on it right now.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #116
118. Duh, I knew that. Thanks, I'll save the link.
Biden Berry.... :rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #118
119. I have updated swamp-rat.com.
;)

Isn't Biden Berry delicious? :9

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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:30 PM
Response to Original message
6. Personally...
I think we need to get out a big can of RAID.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:30 PM
Response to Original message
8. Nah, lets dismantle the hive. All we need is alot of smoke so they think their hive is on fire
Its time to put some real heat on them.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:31 PM
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10. I'd prefer to think that Reason and Fairness guided the Party's recent decisions.
Not Obama, but it's nice that Obama was in the right side. We Democrats are are not ruled by any individual, and our party should be guided by principles. Republicans follow the leader with glazed eyes and little CHina-made American flags in their chubby fists. Good Americans do not surrender their reason or their liberty to a Decider.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:31 PM
Response to Original message
11. "We will now discuss the location of the rebel base..."
Sorry, coundn't resist...

He IS in control, and its time to start acting like it. Start using the levers of power, Mr. Obama.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:32 PM
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12. It seems Democrats have finally realized the importance of coattails.
Obama can deliver a Democratic majority and the Clintons are best known for losing them.

This was about the Democratic party getting the spine to define themselves as "Democrats", rather than "not Republicans".

This country is about to change...big time.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:32 PM
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14. This is a victory for progressives everywhere and signals the end of corporate rule of the Dem Party
Time to clean house and start working for the people over the privileged.

We have Bill Clinton to thank for much of what is wrong with this country: corporate media (Telecom Act of '96) the loss of middle class jobs (NAFTA & most favored trade status w China) and partially for the mortgage crisis (banking mergers). It's time to bring back our party to work for the people and send the lobbyists packing!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
49. And, the cry is
"Ever Vigilant!"
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:36 PM
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18. So THAT explains why the 69-59 split -- to completely devalue the MI popular vote argument
I couldn't understand why they all stuck at that instead of giving Clinton the small bone of a 73-55 split. The 73-55 split is based on the popular vote, which Clinton could then claim she was ahead in. Now, because they based it on the vote AND the other data, the popular vote in MI is irrelevant. Interesting.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. No. Obama had the committee votes to split 50/50. He threw a bone making it what it was.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
40. I just didn't understand why he drew the line there
Because the 4 delegate difference wasn't going to affect the outcome, so I thought he'd magnanimously grant her that. It just makes much more sense to me realizing that it was also important to not use the popular vote of the flawed election as the basis of the decision since that would validate it as a legal metric and validate her "I won the popular vote" theme.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
61. I thought that was pretty interesting as well..
The Michigan Democratic Party by asserting that their own election was invalid, really took the ball out of that court. I think at the beginning of all this, both these states had no idea that their states could still be in it after Feb 5.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:25 AM
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80. ding-ding!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:37 PM
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20. Crazy old white people better get used to it.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:57 PM
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32. Yup, "there's a new sheriff in town"...
I'm white but THRILLED about it! :bounce:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:29 PM
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52. When the dust is settled ..
the world will see this was about the dinos and the Democrats.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:34 AM
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94. so much for Obama 'transcending' race. nt
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:16 AM
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101. He HAS transcended the racial divisions in this country. His nomination victory is proof.
And his victory in Nov will excise once and for all the idea that racism is the norm. For the first time in our history that evil will be on the outside looking in.

They better get used to it.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:11 AM
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121. i think he transcended gender identity voting
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:51 PM
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27. As the nominee should be...
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:52 PM
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28. Whoa....
Even Craig Crawford is saying that Obama has replaced the Clintons as being in control of the Democratic party now.


http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/05/barack-in-...

"Make no mistake about it. The decision rendered today by the Democratic National Committee's rules panel showed that Barack Obama has displaced Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, as boss of the party.

The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee gave Obama exactly what he wanted - a firm decision on seating Florida and Michigan delegates. Even though Clinton wins a small net gain in nominating delegates, it is not enough to seriously boost her chances for the nomination.

No decision would have best served Clinton today. Her nomination hopes are dependent on a chaos theory, which would have been best supported by keeping the status of Florida and Michigan in limbo.

Losing what they needed today proves that for the first time in 16 years the Clintons are no longer in charge of the Democratic Party. There is a new boss in town."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:59 PM
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35. Whoa is right; must have killed him to write that. nt
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:17 PM
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65. It couldn't be sweeter. The clintons no longer have the undeserved influence or reputation they had
NT!

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:57 PM
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33. About time, and I'm glad that this will please Carl Levin as well.
I had assumed that Sen Levin was a Clinton supporter, but his approach today seemed to be more about party unity than a particular candidate.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:00 PM
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36. He is/was a Clinton supporter, but unlike Clinton, party
unity must trump candidate. How novel!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:12 PM
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41. I didn't agree with his choice of candidates, but I've always admired
Sen. Levin. He's a pitbull, and he and Henry Waxman are personal heroes of mine. I just hope this is finally the end of this debate.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:31 PM
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53. Great! Good to hear that Carl Levin
is party and country above hilary.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:08 PM
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39. The Clintons no longer control the party
Let's hope the DLC members get the message.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:39 PM
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55. They'll never stop trying to get
their claws into the Democratic Party..why do we think bilary made asses of themselves at the expense of their reputations? That one chance in a million that the dlc could sweep BACK into power after the bushites, clinton, bushites' regimes.

They thought they had it locked up and in swept the Cosmic Pendulum and knocked them off their path back to the White HOuse(People's HOuse).
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:14 PM
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42. I always like to hear from booman..thanks, babylonsister(you too):)
"Personally, I think we should treat them like a swarm of hornets and run for cover, because they're capable of anything right now."

Yes, I knew I liked booman.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:26 PM
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50. Me, too, zidzi! He's right, of course. nt
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I have all the Power Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:16 PM
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43. NO! WE control the Democratic Party!!
Senator Obama and all politicians work for US!!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:24 PM
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48. Very true
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:28 PM
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51. Welcome to DU, I have all the Power, and I think
the OP meant that the Clintons are out of control finally, not that Obama 'controls' the party. He'd be the first to tell all of us it's "we", not "I".
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:41 PM
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56. Yes, and Obama will work for us..
That's why we all support him.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:04 PM
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62. we haven't had politicians..
working for us for a long time. I think that is what this election is all about. That teensy chance that we might be able to take our party back, and maybe even our country.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:43 PM
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57. "undermining any claim that the Clinton's could make for winning the popular votes there"
Not that the popular vote even MATTERS, but -

HELL YEAH!

Take that, you liar!

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Politics_Guy25 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:07 PM
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63. Poignant and right on
Senator Obama will, indeed, work for the people. Perhaps the first president since FDR to do so.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:10 PM
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64. This whole fluffed up affair was about developing the excuse
HRC has used Florida and Michigan as an excuse to stay in. After watching the exercise today and seeing so many of the comments from the Clinton supporters, it's clear this whole exercise was about maintaining the excuse to go to convention.

They don't want resolution. They don't want unity. They just wanted an excuse for HRC to stay in - thanks to the right to appeal. They were going to appeal anything short of seating the full delegations with full voting rights according to the results of the faux primaries in those states.

If they don't, what shoddy excuse could she use to buoy her supporters and keep them in the fight until "anything might happen" has a chance to happen. The committee hearing was simply a platform for outrage and rabble rousing. And they used it rather effectively. What Clinton supporter will bail on her now?

Rachel Maddow said it. I agreed with it the moment the words came out of her mouth. HRC is going to convention. And she'll get there by whatever means is necessary - no matter what harm it causes to the party, to the voters, to Sen. Obama, and to herself.

Why let truth and justice and doing the right thing get in the way of winning?
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:57 PM
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70. The progressive Obama movement RULES the dem party!
Now lets get rid of the DLC and we will remake America!! :toast:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:28 AM
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73. LOL!
It just cracks me up how you guys pretend he's so progressive. It's cute.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:57 AM
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75. Right back at you.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:32 AM
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84. Obama is a moderate. Hillary is a...
I can't really pin her down since her positions shift constantly depending on what part of the country she campaigns in. I believe she's a right-wing democrat right now, but I'm not entirely sure.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:18 AM
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117.  Lieber-ganger?
Not quite relegated to Zell Miller status, but well on her way to becoming a buffoon?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:10 AM
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90. Most progressives realize that he isn't anything of the sort
However he outorganized us, and is bringing new people into the party. If progressives can't get at least some of them to stick around and work on progressive issues, that will have been our own damned fault.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:23 AM
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102. You are right but....
Neither is Hillary. (By a long shot)

We lost the only "Progressive" when Kucinich dropped out.


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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:48 AM
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111. yup
neither represent the left.


im sorry tho, in my mind obama is slightly to the left

hillary is a moderate conservative at best.
we dont give true liberals a chance in the united states.

i think an obama administration will be more friendly towards progressive ideas and less concerned with corporate influence and money.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:13 AM
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122. whats funny is how you pretend that theres any significant difference
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 11:13 AM by mkultra
except for voting FOR war of course.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:59 AM
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76. Hallelujah and nobody move until she concedes out loud and in writing.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:18 AM
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78. Holy shit. He goes from Junior Senator to major party leader.
Only in America is this possible. He was able to thwart an unamerican dynasty with his own cunning and self-determination.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:19 AM
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79. President Obama
I like the sound of that. :patriot:


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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:28 AM
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82.  Indeed. Since yesterday's meeting it is now clear that the Democratic Party is now Obama Country!!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:30 AM
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83. It's also clear that no one likes Ickes. Not even HRC supporters.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:33 AM
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85. I feel it was more a party decision than an Obama one and wiser to frame it so....
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 01:34 AM by barack the house
Nevertheless very happy for our clear new nominee for the presidency. I shall now proceed to bounce.

:bounce:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:41 AM
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86. His 1.5 million donors might dispute that notion n/t
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:16 AM
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91. Actually, he only controls about half the Democratic party n/t
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:32 AM
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93. really? guess there's no room for the rest of us then. nt
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:37 AM
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95. Are you an us? Do you speak for many?
Who is that that has deemed you their voice?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:06 AM
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120.  Stop yer whining.
Its time to attack McSame. Either get with the program or be a part of the problem. I moved on when Howard Dean was beaten by Kerry and you can too.
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LiberaI Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:44 AM
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97. Not yet
He will after August, though.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:36 AM
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98. It's hard to ignore all the votes he's gotten, the historical sums he's raised, the new voters he's
gotten for the party.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:10 AM
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99. Hardly.
He's earned a lot of political capital, sure, but he's still a relative n00b. Big Money still controls the Democratic Party, and if Obama cares to change that, it will take him a long, long time.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:35 AM
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105. If you bothered to read this, in relation to the Clintons, he does.
That's not to say he actually controls it, but the Clintons are finally out of the picture.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:44 AM
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108. This is good news to everyone. This party will be led by people like Obama, Murphy, and McCaskill
It should be fun!!
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:44 AM
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109. we need a can of raid
when theres a hornets nest under your bed, you dont run away and leave it.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:16 AM
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115. I hope not.
I hope that no one but the voters "control" the party.

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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:18 PM
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125. Cant argue with that.. Fan Freakin Tastic..
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