Just how exactly did the Democratic party unfairly treat Hillary?

[George_Bonanza]

In 2007, she had all the money and all the superdelegates. Obama had nothing. Then the upstart upset her in Iowa, practically tied her in New Hampshire, and blew her out in South Carolina before claiming a draw on the Super Tuesday that HAD to be her decisive victory. Did the Democratic party conspire to make her hire the likes of Mark Penn and have the likes of Geraldine Ferraro speak on her behalf? Did the Democratic party put words in Bill Clinton's mouth that ultimately damaged his wife's campaign and his dreams of a return to the White House to rescue his centrist legacy?

[cbc5g]

1. I watched last sundays meet the press and it was pretty damning for Hillary

She had EVERYTHING going for her before Iowa. Money, endorsements, poll numbers, name recognition etc etc. When Obama won Iowa and she showed her true side for all to see by starting to run one of the worst attack campaigns against Obama..it was over for her. Hope and positive vibes will destroy that shit any day of the week.

Hillary before Iowa - "It's not a very long run and it will be over by February 5th"

[hfojvt]

5. she never said that. Do you have a link for that?

[cbc5g]

7. I recalled it from meet the press but for you I looked it up and I was mostly correct

and i fixed the post

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/hillary-clint-7.html

[FrenchieCat]

9. here....

Hillary says she’ll be Democratic nominee by Feb 5th
December 13, 2007
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is anticipating that she will not have to wait long to become the Democratic presidential nominee, privately telling campaign donors in California that the race "is all going to be over by Feb. 5."

Though the focus of the 2008 presidential campaign is on Iowa and New Hampshire, the states with the earliest contests, Clinton suggested that California's influence might be larger than was commonly believed.

"You've got to realize that people in California will start voting absentee about the time Iowa and New Hampshire happen," the senator from New York said at a closed-door fundraising reception Tuesday evening. "In fact, more people will have voted absentee by the middle of January than will have voted in New Hampshire, Iowa and a lot of other places combined."

On Friday, California absentee ballots began going out to members of the military and others living abroad.

California's remaining absentee ballots will be sent out beginning Jan. 7, one day before the New Hampshire primary and four days after the Iowa precinct caucuses.

California holds its primary Feb. 5, along with 21 other states and American Samoa.

"California, Texas, New York, New Jersey — you've got way more than half the country," Clinton said at the fundraising event at a Sacramento restaurant. "And we're going to be ready, thanks to all of you. We're running a vigorous campaign here in California."

Voters in 22 states will vote after Feb. 5, as will those in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and Guam.

The fundraising reception was closed to the news media, but an audio recording of Clinton's speech was made available to the Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-clinton13dec13,1,2613727.story

[hfojvt]

14. I goto all that trouble making a signature line and nobody reads it

:cry: see below

[cbc5g]

16. ROFL its too dim for my eyes at this time of night

[FrenchieCat]

19. Sorry......I was answering your question....feeling like a "factfinder" I was!

:pals:

[Window]

29. LOL! I caught it.

[hfojvt]

31. I made it bolder, making it easier to read.

It was kinda dim.

[Window]

33. LOL! Some will still not get it.

[Jane Austin]

15. She thought Texas was on Super Tuesday?

Oh, my.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Apparently.

[GoesTo11]

13. Here's one thing she said

"I'm in it for the long run. It's not a very long run. It will be over by February 5."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Story?id=4073183&page=4

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Hillarys_miscalculation.html

[Garbo 2004]

17. ABC interview transcript with "It'll be over by February 5" remark & video links here:

ABC interview transcript:

“GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: (Off-camera) If you don't win here how do you recover?

SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON: I don't think it's a question of recovery. I have a campaign that is poised and ready for the long term. We are competing everywhere through February 5th. We have staff in many states. We have built organizations in many states. You know, George, you and I went through an experience in 1992 where Bill Clinton didn't win anything until Georgia. He came in second time and time again in a much less, you know, volatile and contested environment.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: (Off-camera) Much less compressed also.

SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON: A much less compressed environment. So from my perspective, you get up every day and you get out there and you make your case and you reach as many people as possible. That's what I intend to do, so I'm in it for the long run. It's not a very long run. It'll be over by February 5th.”
http://www.abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Story?id=4073183&page=4

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

[Window]

28. LOL!

[hfojvt]

2. well, when the media attacked her for her pastor's comments

and for her neighbor, who was an unconvicted radical from the 1960s, neither Dean nor any other leading Democrat came to her defense. And what about when Obama dismissed her as nothing more than a speech she made in 1995? He wouldn't have been so derogatory about her accomplishments if she wasn't a woman. And the blogosphere has been bad too, calling her supporters cultists and sexists, and always making sure to insert her middle name, saying Rodham or HRC every chance they got, trying to remind people that her father was a Republican. The worst part was the way the media kept trying to get everyone on the Obama bandwagon by always pointing out that he was the nearly unstoppable front-runner with the backing of a very famous and popular spouse, and the way all those hundreds of super-delegates endorsed Obama before anybody even got to vote.

[jespwrs]

10. very nice

LOL

[cbc5g]

12. LOL!

[LaurenG]

23. Just so you know, if the media said all that about her

I never saw or heard it, or if I did I don't remember it.

As far as the blogoshere, I remember the nasty things said about Obama and his supporters a lot more clearly. I didn't allow talking heads to make up my mind about who to vote for though.


This has been an ugly primary.

[ellisonz]

27. lol

I hope this is satire too.

[Shae]

24. Yeah, that!!!11!!! nt

[skyounkin]

3. It was not unfair to her

It only became "unfair" to her when it did not give her the nomination on a platter and she had "run" to earn it. Which she failed miserably in doing so which was not her fault at all- it was the fault of Penn, Ferraro, Obama etc etc etc...........

In my opinion of course.

[progdonkey]

8. and mine too, apparently... :-p

"It only became 'unfair' to her when it did not give her the nomination on a platter."

Only my platter was silver. :toast:

[izzie]

22. Could be the voters just did not want her as much as they wanted

some one else. That is hardly unfair. That is just how things go. Were they also unfair to Edwards and all the others? Heck we have Bush in the WH so I guess more wanted him than say Kerry. Now Gore may have a point about things being un-fair.

[sandnsea]

4. The "drug dealer" stuff started in Dec 2007

Before Iowa, so I can't see how they say anybody did anything to her.

[hfojvt]

11. they voted against her, and that hurt her feelings

they also made up lies about her. They said that she didn't get shot at in Bosnia and that she supported NAFTA and voted for the Iraq war and now that Bill Clinton had clinched the nomination in early April. They used facts against her and that's like totally mean and unfair. None of the other men running for President in our country's history has been called a liar.

[progdonkey]

6. by not handing her the nomination on a silver platter...

Anytime she doesn't win, it's proof that the system was unfair.

You know that the only reason she's not the nominee is because she's a woman, right? It's not because her campaign based all their hopes on blitzing Iowa, with no Plan B (hmm, sounds familiar...), or that people got tired of her talking up the merits of John McCain over Obama, or that her campaign's hemorrhaging money. (Isn't it something like she raised $750 million and now she's $20 million in debt? Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Out of a field of, what, seven major candidates, she came a close second to a true phenomenon--all while running a horribly divisive and incompetent campaign that has recently even fallen into being downright sick. Oh, the injustice she has had to suffer!

[TahitiNut]

18. Well, a picture is worth a thousand words, so ....

[FrenchieCat]

21. LOL!

How transparent she is. That's her biggest problem, I think. That, and the fact that some of us have good memories. We even remember what really happened in 1992 in reference to March versus June.

Poor thing. :(

[Shae]

25. OMG!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Avalux]

26. They didn't. She expected them to act like the Clinton Party.

When that didn't happen and the years she and Bill spent doing favors for everyone in the party didn't pay off, they got pissed.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. I just posted a similar question: Hill had all the advantages...

Most of the superdelegates, more money, more support, and the entire Democratic Establishment...not to mention the media, which coronated Hillary the presumed Democratic nominee for nearly two years. Obama was an unknown and most people felt that he should wait to run.

With all these advantages, exactly how has she been mistreated or disrespected?

Apart from Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (former MD Lt. Gov.and Hillary surrogate), the Clintons have run one of the worst campaigns in election history.

$11+ million in debt cannot be blamed on Obama.

The defection of the superdelegates cannot be blamed on Obama.

The senators who moved to Obama cannot be blamed on Obama.

When will the Clintons start to accept responsibilities for their mistakes and stop blaming everyone but themselves? They sound a hell of a lot like Bush and the Republicans, who ironically, tended to shift the blame to the Clintons when there were mishaps. Now the Clintons are doing the same thing by not accepting accountability for their blunders.

[stratomagi]

32. The party treated her unfairly by rolling out the red carpet for her straight to the White House.

She just happened to trip on it. Any explanation of her defeat other than her own doing and the unprecedented candidacy of Obama is pure delusion.