If Sen Clinton Wins The Primary Will She get Your Vote In The Presidential Election?

[AuntPatsy]

Simple question, interested in the answers.

[Danger Mouse]

1. Anything is better than McCain, so yes.

[New Dawn]

2. She isn't going to win.

Next question?

[AuntPatsy]

5. I didn't ask for an opinion, read the question again.

[smiley_glad_hands]

11. Its a fact not opinion. eom

[AuntPatsy]

19. Opinion, its not over.

[smiley_glad_hands]

34. Its been over for some time now. The sooner you realize that the saner you will be. eom

[AuntPatsy]

49. Your being silly, not my fight, my livelyhood stays good with a republican

which is why my husband dispises me caring about others...funny, he tells me to quit worrying about everyone else than perhaps I will feel more sane...interesting..

[smiley_glad_hands]

58. Fair enough. eom

[PoliticalOne65]

89. Its not over.

Truthfully it is not over until one or the other gets 2025 delegates. Hey you know when they officially count those delegates?

[smiley_glad_hands]

149. Keep dreaming. eom

[amk]

217. 2025 ? Well, then he has already won !

[indimuse]

112. why do you LIE?

[smiley_glad_hands]

150. Lie? Like Hilliary? Unfrortunately for you, it is the truth. eom

[New Dawn]

15. It isn't an opinion, she is not going to win.

[AuntPatsy]

22. Its an opinion until I hear from a more reliable source

[Skittles]

23. it's something, isn't it?

they simply cannot let go of their hatred - EVER

[Ken Burch]

88. Pointing out political reality isn't hatred.

Why do we have to pretend she could still win just to prove to you folks that we don't hate her?

[Skittles]

94. what do you mean by "you folks"

I'm not a supporter of HRC - funny how "you folks" assume that though

[Ken Burch]

96. You've sounded like one. And at this stage, it's perfectly reasonable to assume

that an Obama basher is a die hard HRC type. There was no way anyone could've told if you don't back her.

And my point stands. It's not hatred to point out that HRC has no chance of getting the nom. That's just pointing out reality. And there's no good that comes of anyone still trying to stop Obama. It goes without saying now that stopping him at this point could only hurt the party.

[Skittles]

182. I am not and have never been an "Obama basher"

try to realize than SOME of us never fell for either one of these candidates - I don't care for Hillary but I find the non-stop hatred for her displayed by not just rightwing nutjobs but a great many DUers way over the top and extremely disturbing. Similarly, I am not enthralled with Obama and will call out nonsense posted against him when I see it.

[Shae]

138. from the posts from you that I've seen and remember . . .

you seem to come down on her side most of the time.

[Skittles]

180. see, there you go

I don't support either one of them but I find the hatred thrown at Hillary extremely disturbing and WAY over the top

[Shae]

202. a lot of that

is frustration. If your candidate was winning, and another candidate, who you perceive as having no chance of winning, was smearing your guy/gal just to make him/her unelectable,(and this is the perception of many Obama supporters), you would probably be upset too. Especially when you know that gives someone like McCain a better chance at the WH.

Also I've seen Clinton supporters call Obama thug, asshole, crook, racist, sexist, liar, and say that's he's run an awful, dirty campaign.
But when they are asked to back up what they say, they disappear from the thread --the old playground trick of running up and slapping then running away. I never see them back it up.

There are two sides to the coin. There is more Obama supporter nastiness here, to be sure, but Obama supporters here greatly outnumber Clinton supporters.

Just my take. I try not to be nasty or insulting to anyone, and when I don't succeed, I shake myself off and try again.

[PoliticalAmazon]

24. The question is based on a future situation that won't occur....

And I think it is designed to try to find an opening to criticize Obama supporters.

It would be like if I posted a question of "Would you still vote for Hillary Clinton if video footage surfaced of Bill humping the plastic flamingos on the WH lawn?"

In the first place, there is no evidence that Bill ever humped inanimate objects. All of his women, IMO, are quite lively and spirited.

Secondly, there are no plastic flamingos on the WH lawn.

So the flamingo question would also be based on a highly improbable future situation and designed to be used as an attack against the Clintons and their supporters.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

165. If my grandmother had wheels, would she be a go-cart? n/t

[musicblind]

9. He's right, he didn't ask if she would win. He said IF (just pretend here) she had won

would you cast a vote for her? I hope everyone here would answer yes. I have always stated that I would vote for whoever the nominee was.

[New Dawn]

29. No, I would never vote for a candidate that voted to allow Bush to illegally invade Iraq.

[AuntPatsy]

53. Never? What about a candidate that has no real plan to end it?

[democracy1st]

115. tell us how you really feel

[SemiCharmedQuark]

3. Definitely.

[TSIAS]

4. Sure

Lucky for me, I won't have to worry about that. At least not in 2008.

[MercutioATC]

6. Yes.

I'll do what I did for Kerry...hold my nose and vote for the Dem.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. Yes!

[smiley_glad_hands]

8. There's no way she can win.

But yeah, i'd have to get really drunk before i voted for her.

[AuntPatsy]

16. I understand, no problem, nice to know...thank you for answering..

Believe it or not, that was not a bad post, see, you can dislike someone and actually be dignified in that dislike, perhaps others will follow suit.

[smiley_glad_hands]

38. Never said I wouldn't vote for her if something were to happen to Obama. eom

[AuntPatsy]

59. Nothing is going to happen to Obama, I really wish you would not have said that like that..

As silly as this sounds I crossed my self and knocked on wood for your comment.

[LyndaG]

10. Yes

McCain represents another four years of the nightmare, so whomever the Democratic nominee happens to be will get my vote for sure.

[scheming daemons]

12. A) She can't win the nomination, so the question is moot and B) Not now. Before, maybe.

...but she has revealed herself to be something very evil.

[AuntPatsy]

26. Take a deep breath and reread the question please.

[scheming daemons]

32. Take a deep breath and read part "B" of my answer... it answers your question

[AuntPatsy]

40. You got me, okay my question becomes do you believe that anyone

that does not find Obama worthy should vote for him if he wins simply because they don't trust him?

[scheming daemons]

45. Vote your conscience. If your conscience can live with the words "President McCain", then go for it

[AuntPatsy]

56. Well thats a good response and yet the problem is, some people will just not vote

because they like neither,what would happen if too many people chose that path?

[scheming daemons]

60. Then those that care about the country enough to vote have a greater say....

...and that's not a bad thing.


To me, citizens that don't vote are not really citizens.... so I don't quite give a damn what they think.


There will be four people on the ballot in most states:

1 Obama
2 McCain
3 Nader
4 Barr

Pick one.

If you are a Democrat, and you pick #2, #3, or #4... then your conscience has no problem with the words "President McCain".

If you are a Democrat and you stay home - same thing. You don't have a problem with the words "President McCain".


(Similarly, Repukes who stay home are saying, by their actions, that the words "President Obama" don't bother them... at least not enough).

[AuntPatsy]

65. My daughter wants to vote for McCain, I would much rather she stay home..

I know I don't have that right, I try to get her to listen more, but for many people such as herself, they are busy in other areas, they get information from the news and so don't always agree with others...

[scheming daemons]

66. I respect a voter who comes out and votes for someone I don't like more than one who stays home....

At least person A gives a damn, however slightly, about their country.

[AuntPatsy]

70. I have to agree.....but how can someone even contemplate voting Mccain

after the last eight years when he states emphatically that he supports bush wholeheartedly and promises to continue the same?

My God, I honestly don't understand it..to me, its people that cannot see outside their little worlds and therefore can they really be respected?

[scheming daemons]

73. Several reasons.....

A) They bought into the fear. They are genuinely afraid of Islamic extremists. Like the red scare of the 50s. They see jihadists on every street corner.


B) Deep down, deep-seeded racist feelings. They'll verbalize any excuse they can think of to make it sound like they're not "racist"... but deep down, that's what it is.


C) They believe that we really are better off under Republicans. Not based on any evidence, mind you... just based on what they hear on talk radio.

[Ken Burch]

205. You are perfectly ok with expecting and demanding that with those who don't trust HRC

Why does she deserve the "hold your nose" votes but not him?

Why should her supporters' dislike of black candidate who's only crime is running while charismatic be priveleged over his supporters dislike of a centrist-conservative corporate lawyer?

Are you honestly saying that our concerns about HRC are automatically less valid than yours are about Obama?

And can you not hear the presumption and arrogance in your posts?

[StevieM]

203. Well then doesn't it suck for you that Obama is going to totally need her help in order to win (eom)

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Of course, silly question

[AuntPatsy]

30. I don't know Nadin, some people on this site scare me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. I may have to point you to the two threads I started tonight

especially the one directed at the clinton supporters, and it will apply to either... when the time comes in November people will vote for the DEM for the most part

But DU is not the real world....

Those of us for whom this is not the first rodeo understand how this works

That said... at this point mathematically she can't win... he has it

And it is time to fall in line... the time to fall in love (for me Edwards) is over

[AuntPatsy]

63. I live in A conservative world so I guess I am a bit fearful on all this

in fighting inside the dem party and it's just no on Du as many know. Ah yes Edwards, sad, I wanted Biden but could have easily fell in with Edwards or point is, like you said, whomever, because like it or not, trust it or not, we have to get out of republican territory...I have grandchildren, and ummm, well, its conservative territory and I won't be here for ever to protect them from them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. The Republicans can still win, and anybody not paying attention will miss it

they are up to their games and then some

Indiana is just the tip of the spear... you need a state issued ID... and the USSC said fine, the CONSERVATIVE, and very RW USSC

The next step is proof of citizenship, as in Mississippi...

That is where the real fight is... and if they succeed... they will win... by doing what they usually do... disenfranchise voters.

So your fears are very justified

[crankychatter]

14. If Caucus voters are disenfranchised and FL and MI are seated... then "Popular Vote" is cited...

...to justify the SD's overturning the true popular vote?

I've been voting against Republicans for 35 years

I'm more tired of this little poll than almost any single thing in DU

it's almost offensive

She can't win fairly... except by some technical, convoluted and legalistic bullshit

if that happens MY LITTLE VOTE is the least of the Democratic Party's worries

[AuntPatsy]

33. Never think your vote worthless, its what they want, please answer

[crankychatter]

51. I did answer

I've been voting for the "lesser of evils" for 35 years

If the Democratic Party or the "Democratic" nominee want my loyalty then they can behave in a way that is BELIEVABLY Democratic

you're just fishing for some justification for a conclusion you've already come to

I don't believe your nicey nice protestations of "curiosity"

there is nothing representative of society at large or the democratic base about these little polls on DU

[AuntPatsy]

67. I agree with the lesser of two evils myself you know, but I always believe

the Dems period to be the lesser regardless of who they end up running in the end...I never did trust Lieberman you know, never and yet he had my vote and I promise you, though he was only vp, it was stil extremely tough.

[Alexander]

17. I'm a Democrat. I support the nominee. So yes.

Granted, at this point I'd need to spend a few hours at the bar before voting for her, but I still would.

[Genevieve]

18. But she has already lost.

[AuntPatsy]

36. Not an answer

[Genevieve]

55. Not a relevant question either.

because she has already lost and the only way she can win is if Barack Obama gets struck by lightening or something else equivalent to what the Clinton people are always claiming in as: "anything can happen".

[AuntPatsy]

71. Knocking on wood and crossing herself..

[Youphemism]

80. I think it's a relevant question

I'm supporting Obama... He will be counting on Clinton supporters to help him win in the general election. Without them, he would surely lose.

You're now being asked by a Clinton supporter -- someone who, no doubt, is as enthusiastic about her candidate as you are about yours -- how hard it would be to cast aside the loyalty you've shown for months in order to make sure we don't have to endure more of what we've had for the last 7+ years.

It doesn't matter that you can't understand why people support someone other than your candidate. It does matter that you can respect their choice, put yourself in their shoes, and see how difficult it would be if you were asked to do the same thing they are being asked to do.

This person has already said she's prepared to do exactly that. She's wondering whether you would make that same sacrifice, in order to make sure the Bush Era comes to an end.

Yes, I would do that myself, if Hillary were the nominee. And congratulations to the OP, who probably has knots in her stomach over doing this. I'm sure it's not easy for you, but you're very sensible. Hang in there. The end of the blight is in sight.

[Genevieve]

174. I'm sorry, but with all due respect to you and the OP

Hillary has already lost the nomination.

This question would have been considered relevant had it been asked months ago.

But, at this stage of the campaign, the only way that Hillary Clinton can win the nomination is if either:
A: A tragedy befalls Barack Obama
or
B: The nomination is stolen.

Therefore, I consider the question not only to be highly irrelevant, I find it offensive.

[JoFerret]

211. Relevant enough for you to take issue though

Why?

[SlipperySlope]

20. Maybe

In general, the Democratic nominee is almost guaranteed my vote.

However, there are very few scenarios left where Hillary could get the nomination from the Democratic party. The ones that are remaining are such "dirty tricks" that I could see refusing to vote for her.

Example: Hillary sues the Democratic party and the courts FORCE the party to make her the nominee. Would I vote for someone like that?

[Blondiegrrl]

42. I agree with you on that. eom

[yewberry]

21. Yup. No question.

I guess that's a pretty simple answer, too.

[Skittles]

25. whoever wins the Dem primary will get my vote n/t

[DerekJ]

27. If she wins fairly then sure yes. Oh.. wait... shit...

I can't vote.

[AuntPatsy]

43. ;-) Okay, lets assume it was fair and yet you dont believe it, is it then

fair for you to withhold your vote without knowing that she won fair and square?

[dbmk]

111. Not sure its a case of withholding in DerekJs case

As much as that he means it literally.

[Brundle_Fly]

28. Of Course...

with nose held.. but of course.

[greenbriar]

31. yes

.

[ekwhite]

35. Probably not

I have the luxury of living in California - I would vote for Cynthia McKinney as a way of boosting the Green Party instead. If it came down to a close race in California, however, I would hold my nose and vote for Clinton.

[Indiana_Dem]

37. Yes. nt

Will you do the same for Barack if he gets the nom?

[livingmadness]

39. If Clinton wins the primary ...

I'll scream and cry and howl at the moon

I'll seethe and fume and snap at people I don't know

I'll feel utterly deflated and without hope for quite some time

... but OF COURSE I'll vote for her!!! We're talking REPUBLICANS IN DA HOUSE otherwise!! I have a cousin in Iraq, sheesh. My fury on one hand, my cousin (plus Roe v Wade yadda yadda) on the other. No contest.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. I will vote for the Democratic Nominee. I have always said I would vote for the Democratic Nominee.

I will also say that anyone who will NOT vote for the Democratic Nominee is a ginormous ass sandwich.

[mountainvue]

44. Yes. n/t

[gateley]

46. Yes. I'm a Democrat,. nt

[LiberalAndProud]

47. Yes.

And then I will register as a Green and STOP all financial support to the Democratic party and national nominees from that day forward. The only way she will win is to change the rules of the game after the game has been played.

She would have my vote, because nothing less than a mandate to end this godless war is necessary. However, it would mark the end of my days as a Democrat.

[sandnsea]

48. She can only steal it at this point, so no

I absolutely will not vote for an election thief, no way, no how. Anybody who does has no morals.

[Donkey_Punch_Dubya]

69. What if every single un committed SD goes to her and

MI and FL get 50% reductions in delegates, all of the Uncommitted votes in MI go to Obama, then delegate are awarded proportionally after that for those 2 states?

That is an extremely remote possibility, but I wouldn't think that would be an election robbery, right? I'm not a clinton supporter, by the way. What would your thinking be in that case?

[AuntPatsy]

74. Interesting question, I hope you get an answer

[sandnsea]

82. MI & FL do not count

There is no way they can count. You can't count an election when there was no campaign. It isn't real.

What would have happened, if she'd conceded her delegates the way every candidate has done for years, is that MI & FL would have been seated at 100% for the winner. The only reason that hasn't happened is because she is pretending she won an election that wasn't legitimate. There's no way to fix it.

If all the supers went for her, there would have to be some reason and I'd have to see what the reason is before I decided.

Voting is the very basis of our democracy. How can we support leaders who don't respect the voters. It's insane.

[jespwrs]

50. If she wins the nomination...

I will vote for her.
Then I will go back to my snow ball fight with Satan.

[cbc5g]

54. Because we need liberal judges, Yes, of course I would n/t

[JohnnyLib2]

57. Yes.

[Gore1FL]

61. Yes We Can

[cliffordu]

62. IF SHE WINS, sure. Court involvement? not so sure....

[bhikkhu]

64. Yes, and so would Gore, Edwards, Kucinich, etc.

But Obama will win.

[Hippo_Tron]

68. Absolutely

[AuntPatsy]

72. Thank you everyone that responded, continue fighting,, I feel better

about our future, I guess we can fight but still come together..good night.

[Spider Jerusalem]

75. If George Bush apologised tomorrow would you forgive him?

The scenario you posit is within the realm of possibility, but it has roughly the same PROBABILITY as the one I suggest.

[AuntPatsy]

78. One more, you know, depends on the apology, it would have to be a duzzy...

and a very long one and he would have to fix the wrongs....then perhaps yes I would as much as I might have a hard time believing myself to be heartfelt.

[elana i am]

77. i'll answer...

no.

i have the luxury of saying that because i live in a state where write-ins are allowed.

i don't like obama enough to vote for him either if she's vp. i'd really only vote for him because he's not clinton, not because i really thought he was a good fit for president.

i'm still thinking about writing in kucinich regardless. it depends on whether my conscience is knawing at me that day to listen to my gut.

[AuntPatsy]

79. Nothing wrong with listening to your conscience, just be sure you keep

your eyes open as well as your ears, sometimes for better or worse, it is simply between the lesser of two evils...I just think personaly that Kucinich would be a wasted vote...and I am terrified they are trying to steal it again and looking at how many each get personaly before they attempt it, just my thoughts...thank you for your answer it was honest and really I understand, I do.

[2008]

81. Yes

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

83. Nope.

Fortunately, she isn't going to.

[truebluecollar]

84. If the pig-flying scenario flew, then we desperate umbrella clutchers

would most definitely hold our noses whilst turning the lever for that stinking, rotten, rank, fetid, festering, pus-oozing cccccccandidate because she'd have a 'D' next to her name. Yes. Okay?
My question for you Aunt Patsy is if Hillary decides that reality is too harsh for her and she pulls a Joe Lieberman or a John C. Breckinridge (1860 Southern Democrat)and runs an independent candidacy, Will you vote for the Democratic Party candidate? Hmmmm?

[musicblind]

99. Hmm. That is an interesting question. If Hillary went independent...

I think both Obama and Hillary are excellent candidates. I would be more likely at that point to vote for Obama because he has the D next to his name. BUT if it looked like Hillary was going to win the GE and not Obama by a long shot, and that voting for Obama would be helping McCain giving the strategic layout. I'd vote for Clinton to keep McCain out. If that were reversed and Obama looked like the person with the stronger backing at the time of the GE and voting for Clinton would be throwing away a vote to McCain then I would vote for Obama.

I would vote whatever way made it so that McCain would absolutely NOT be in office. But that is an interesting scenerio. She has every right to do it, but I hope and pray she has enough sense not to. It would throw a huge weight around our necks as we try and push McCain out of office.

I am almost 100% certain, though, that Hillary would not do something so dumb since she too wants to end this war and get the republicans out of office.

[GoesTo11]

85. If Superman and the Flash had a race, who would win?

Not all Ifs merit much consideration.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

87. Is it distance or sprint? And is Superman allowed to fly?

[genna]

214. I choose Flash. Superman has game but he'd have to fly to win.

[Ken Burch]

86. I've repeatedly said she would, I'll say it again.

And there's no reason to keep asking that question.

[katsy]

90. Even thinking about your question is painful.

Would a President Hillary Clinton hold a grudge against the more progressive wing of the party?

How can I explain it. If she wanted my vote, the vote of a latte liberal :sarcasm: she should have just spoken to me, my concerns and desire to change foreign policy, work to eliminate poverty, regulate banks/business/imports and other social issues.

I don't like the attacks on Obama (insert any generic candidate here) or devisive politics. I wanted to see a Democratic candidate through and through conducting themselves as though their enemy is mccain - from day one. I wanted inspiration that would confuse me. The kind of inspiration that can draw crowds from Obama to her not because of conflicts, gaffes, inuendos, ugliness and finger pointing, but because she would inspire all people, left, right and center.

I wanted a choice between 2 candidates I believe worthy and cause me great (and good) confusion, not between one candidate I dislike and one I don't. Oh well, that's neither here nor there.

IMO, she would govern well enough for a more conservative middle wing. But my belief is that we need to swing the pendulum back to the left in order to solve some serious issues, like poverty and opportunity for our children. Some of those issues will not be solved with just a cash fix, it requires inspiring a nation to participate in effecting change. And some of that inspiration will undoubtedly include sacrifice for people who are hurting already. I don't see Senator Clinton as an inspiration to a wide spectrum of people. She will dot her i's and cross the t's... but inspire a nation to take on the burden of difficult choices? I just can't see it. Corporate interests, while scaled back, would be well served.

A mccain presidency would be a total clusterfuck. Bad enough so as to strengthen progressive causes and bring more progressives to power in 2012.

Regardless, I will never support mccain by withholding my vote from Senator Clinton... even though it'll feel like walking into a suicide booth to vote.

[Crunchy Frog]

91. Depends on whether she wins or steals.

At this point it's hard to see how she could get the nomination legitimately, but if she did, I would vote for her. If she steals it, then no chance.

[emilyg]

92. Yes.

[still_one]

93. yes, without hesitation, and I am an Obama supporter

and I hope after the nominee is chosen, if there are still people at DU trashing that nominee, or pushing for his loss, that they get tombstoned in a blink of eye

[ObamaKerryDem]

95. Well, after everything that's gone down in this primary season..

I'd honestly find it really hard to vote for her. :/ (and this is coming from someone who LOVED the Clintons before all this began.. :( ) But there's no way in hell I'd ever vote for McCain and even though I'd be tempted to go Green or something if Hillary was the nom, I know it would only wind up splitting the vote and therefore aiding a McCain victory. :x So I'd have to hold my nose, I guess. (It would be much easier if Barack was her VP, though).

Then again, ANYTHING is better than Bush (and McCain, sadly, has become an extension of him and his administration) and I'd honestly be more opposed to/ worried about Hillary as a candidate than a President (I actually think she'd make a decent one) so at the end of the day, I'd probably end up doing it with much less hesistation, especially after getting a whole GE season worth of McCain and the Republicans. :x LOL

But I know that's not going to happen, because Barack is going to be the nominee. ;) :D

[hokies4ever]

97. If Martians invade the planet, will you still favor gun control?

One impossible question deserves another. :rofl:

[Brundle_Fly]

145. as any good american knows...

martians are killed by old cowboy crooning and yodeling and not guns...

guns don't kill martians, crooning kills martians.

[genna]

216. Registered gun use against Martians would be my stance.

[kdpeters]

98. As far as I know.

[tishaLA]

100. of course but the chances of that happening

are terribly small.

[davidpdx]

101. No

I'd likely vote for a third party for president OR leave that portion of the ballot empty. It doesn't mean I wouldn't vote on other things. There are plenty of downticket races and measures to vote on.

[frog92969]

102. Define election

[cali]

103. The question is ludicrous as she's lost.

[JVS]

104. Only if GD:P starts kissing my ass 24-7

;-)

[izzie]

105. No but I will go out and vote for Tom Allen.

My first vote was for Ike so I have been at this a long time. I just hate these people who think they were born to be our rulers. I saw Bush a zero and would make a mess. He has lived up to what I thought. I sort of think govt. jobs at Congress level and WH level needs new people to make it work and running these old guys over and over does us not much good.

[ShortnFiery]

106. No! She would have to CHEAT to win ... HRC won't get away with stealing the Nomination. eom

[WeDidIt]

107. As there is absolutely no way she can win, the question is moot. n/t

[Why Syzygy]

108. No. I would never vote Democratic again. Too much betrayal.

[billyoc]

109. You bet, Aunty. I'll be the one with the clothespin!

:hi:

[quaker bill]

110. Depends on how

If it was a straight up win, yes.

However, as the likelyhood for a straight up win is approaching zero, probably not.

I will not partcipate in or support a corrupted process that delivers the nom to Hillary. This sort of thing cannot be encouraged.

[JTFrog]

113. It's not approaching zero it is zero. The ONLY way she can win is

to have the SuperDs overturn the decision or "something catastrophic" happen to Obama.

[quaker bill]

114. One chance in a million or a billion

is approaching zero. From a statistical sense, almost nothing has a probability of zero. Almost anything can indeed happen, but many things are highly improbable.

[JTFrog]

128. You said straight up. There is zero mathematical chance of her winning straight up. n/t

[lojasmo]

116. I tried it with Kerry/didn't feel good.

Clinton is worse than kerry (Kyl-Lieberman) and has behaved like a damn buffoon in the primary.

So, no. I would support downticket democrats.

[Bad Thoughts]

117. Conditionally

I've registered my concern several months ago about her and her campaign's use of racial innuendos--that they may be willing to use race to polarize the electorate. Nothing since then has eased my concerns. Indeed, I'm more concerned than ever over her politics. I say now what I said then: minorities cannot be treated as dhimmis--courted, but not empowered. I fear that Clinton's rhetoric does not empower minorities, especially blacks, but paints their political will as illegitimate in the face of a majority of European descent. I would not vote against her out of spite. However, I would find it morally repugnant to vote for someone who has played racial divisions as she has, and I would need to see her change course on this in a dramatic fashion.

[MaineDem]

118. Without question!

And anyone who says differently does not belong here!

[Higher Standard]

119. Yes, of course

Either of our potential candidates is far better than McSame.

[riona]

120. Yes

[dems_rightnow]

121. I'd vote for her

Grudgingly. Because McCain is the other choice.

I do think that IF such a thing occurred, it would be ugly. Many Democrats, real Democrats, would see it as the party overuling the people's choice with superdelegates.

[ellisonz]

122. Fuck the DLC.

[SoCalDem]

123. It depends who runs against her in 2016

:P

[Mass]

124. I do not deal with hypothetical and this point,it is all it is: an hypothetical.

There is no good way she can win this primary.

[RooferDem]

125. At this point, the only way for Clinton to win ...

... is because of an inside job. Something crooked would have to happen on Saturday. Which would imply that something is rotten in the party. So I would probably just avoid voting democratic, period, on the national level, unless somebody convinced me that her nomination wasn't a complete scam.

[KansasVoter]

126. If she wins the most elected delegates, YES!

[Marrah_G]

127. I find this thread interesting after all the loyalty polls aimed at Clinton supporters

And the gnashing of teeth daily with threads screaming about some minute subset that won't vote for Obama.

Yet what do we have here?

Far more saying "I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she wins"

I spotted some hypocrites here today.

[Orsino]

129. Not a simple question.

I suppose it could depend on how she won the primary, as I don't see any good ways for things to turn out like that. She would have to be very crooked indeed, though, for me not to vote against McCain.

[Skidmore]

130. I will vote for Obama in the GE

even if Clinton is successful at stealing the nomination. Period. I am voting for someone I believe in this election, not the lesser of two evils. Period. I'm sick of holding my nose. I will vote for a Democrat and all Democrats downticket. I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. Period.

[TexasObserver]

131. If Hillary grows wings, will they be strong enough to lift her big ass?

No, they won't.

I figure my question is as likely as yours to be relevant.

[reflection]

132. Sure.

And the Pope will drive me to the polls to cast my vote. :)

[rucky]

133. I'd vote for Carrot Top, if he were the nominee.

which is about as likely.

[NC_Nurse]

134. Depends on HOW she wins. But probably yes.

If I feel that the Clintons pulled some nasty trick to get it, then no.

[FlaGranny]

135. Yes, I would,

with a deep, deep regret and sorrow. I sincerely mean that.

[Vinca]

136. Absolutely. If McCain is elected it will mean the decades of work

for abortion and reproductive rights will have been for nothing. It will mean there will be no hope at all for me, personally, to get health insurance. Since I can't worry the rest of my life about whether I'll die an agonizing death for lack of care, I'll be looking for a place to live north of the border with my Canadian husband.

[Shae]

137. Not happily, but yes.

Either Hillary or Obama would be better than McCain.

AFAIC, not voting for the Democratic nominee is equivalent to rubberstamping approval of the last 8 years of GWBush.

[olkaz]

139. No.

At this point, she would have to use some sort of bizarre undemocratic coup to make it happen, and I would not support it.

I'd stay home.

[greguganus]

140. I refuse to answer on the grounds it could get me tombstoned. n/t

[deerheadgal]

141. Yes. Defeating McCain is Job 1

I won't be happy, but I'll do it.

[panhead1961]

142. Vote for HRC - Then Move out of the country

My disgust for the system will be at it's hight. It's one thing for a republican to steal an election. It's one thing to watch america do nothing to stop all the madness. But when a clinton steal a nomination and turns the system into a joke,

ITS OVER JOHNNY

[ccharles000]

143. Yes.

I adore her.

[CTLawGuy]

144. of course Yes!

what am I, a bitter Clinton supporter?

[JeffR]

146. Yes.

[dascientist]

147. a choice between two devils? I'll pass

.........

[Doityourself]

148. Um..Uh..Um..

[BklynChick]

151. no

[RoadRage]

152. No.

If she had a possible way to win this "fair & square" - ie more delegates, super delegates and Popular vote (not counting only her votes in FL & MI) then I would vote for her.

But, the only way she can win now is with backroom arm wrestling, threats & power brokering.

And, the only reason that Obama would lose at this point would be due to her getting votes in MI and he not getting any, and him getting far less votes in FL when he wasn't allowed to campaign and he is always behind in states he doesn't campaign in initially.

No.. I won't vote for Clinton if she steals this nomination. I will either write in Obama or not vote for POTUS at all. Petty? Perhaps. Short sighted? Definitely. Am I as bad as the Clinton voters who say they won't vote for Obama? NO. Because Obama isn't "stealing" this primary nomination.. he's winning it with every single Odd stacked up against him. Clinton supporters not voting for Obama are doing so because they're mad that their "girl" didn't win. Even thogh she started out with every single advantage - more money - name recognition - and a political machine behind her that was larger then any other in the race by far.

Either way - I think this is a silly question. I'll be voting for the Dem nominee in November, because Mr. Obama will be on the top of the ballot. Amazing.. absolutely amazing.

[uberllama42]

153. I decided years ago that I would not vote for her

I may go back on that to keep McCain out of office, but at this point it doesn't seem likely.

[stevietheman]

154. Moot question. Obama has locked this up. Didn't you get the memo? n/t

n/t

[GihrenZabi]

155. No

If Obama doesn't win then nothing is going to change, and if we have to deal with the same old shit for another four years I'd rather have a military man in the commander-in-chief seat as Hillary will never get us out of Iraq. She's too indebted to the economic powers which sent us there in the first place, and I have no faith whatsoever in her ability to prosecute a war.

Say what you want about John McCain, but if he gets into office, the military might actually have the top-level leadership it needs to accomplish something with long-term positive dividends rather than this mess in Iraq...like finally finding bin Laden.

[harun]

156. She has never lead in the Primaries and will not be the nominee

[SeaLyons]

157. Absolutely!!!!

Hllary for President!!

[gristy]

158. Which primary? How will winning a primary get her on the ballot?

[Terran]

159. Yes. And you?

Will you vote for Obama if he's the nominee?

[Marnieworld]

160. This would be an appropriate question 3 months ago

Now it's just bizarre. It's over. Move on.

[MadBadger]

161. Depends how she wins.

[nichomachus]

163. And it also depends

on who she picks for VP. If she wins the nomination by pulling some dirty, underhanded maneuver and she names Joe Lieberman or stealth Republican Harold Ford for her VP, I'll probably just watch the election.

[Barack_America]

162. If she wins the majority of pledged delegates, yes.

Even, including Michigan and Florida as they now stand (but Obama needs to get at least half of the uncommitted votes). If she can do that, she gets my vote. If not, then no.

[smoogatz]

164. If Hillary somehow manages to pervert the process and steal the nom

from the candidate who won fair and square according to the rules, I'm not sure what I'd do. I'd be tempted to write Obama in.

[Renew Deal]

166. How can she win something she has already lost?

:shrug:

[Tatiana]

167. She cannot "win." She can only be "selected."

If you listen to her, she even says "select a nominee."

It would be no better than when Bush was "selected" in 2000.

I hope she doesn't go there.

[helderheid]

168. Yep. United we stand, divided we fall.

[SoonerPride]

169. Moot question. Might as well ask if Biden wins. Same diff. She's toast. Sorry.

This obsession with an also ran bemuses me.

[Major Hogwash]

170. If George Bush pulls all of the troops out of Iraq by July 4th, I might.

But, after seeing what a huge loud-mouthed racist Bubba and Geraldine Ferraro are now, I doubt it.

[H2O Man]

171. If she had won,

I would have supported her. But Barack Obama has won, and democrats need to support him.

[ampad]

172. This is a false question

because there is not way she is winning anything but a one way ticket back to NY at which point she better be ready to fight for her Senate seat.

[genna]

219. what ampad said

TWO TIMES OVER with a cherry on top.

I'm sure she has stirred up a challenge in a Democratic primary which we've not seen since Ted Kennedy tackled Carter in 1980.

[closeupready]

173. Probably, but I sincerely hope she loses to Obama.

because among other things, Obama is a better candidate.

[my3boyz]

175. Nope! Never..ever..ever...ever! nt

[blonndee]

176. She would have, except that now she can't win.

[Bright Eyes]

177. She's not going to win, so the point is mute.

However, I will vote for her, in the highly unlikely event that happens.

I may have to be stoned, though.

[bigwillq]

178. Yes

I plan on voting for the DEM nominee.

[Willo]

179. Your question is inaccurate because she cannot win at this point

The correct way to phrase your question would be:

A: If Hillary were able to STEAL the primary would she get your vote? or;

B: If Hillary HAD been able to win the primary would she have gotten your vote?

To "A" - hell no

To "B" - yes

[woolldog]

181. ......

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

183. She can't win it, she can only steal it in which case I will vote third party for president

and Dem down ballot.

[Raine]

184. NO answer cause...it is NOT going to happen nt

[Yukari Yakumo]

185. Moot point, she lost. Get used to it already. {nt}

uguu

[Secret_Society]

186. Yes

[lisa58]

187. yes

[ZombieHorde]

188. Yes, I will vote for HRC.

[Elmagoo]

189. I won't vote

I would vote for Obama, then again i'm not a life long Democrat, I don't have this sense of "must vote Democrat!"

[frogmarch]

190. Absolutely. n/t

[sniffa]

191. "McCain's looking better and better"

Yep, that's right - if my 3rd/3rd.5 choice doesn't get it, I'm voting for McCain to give my first, second, and second and a half choice a chance to run again in 2012.

[Liberal Veteran]

192. Sure. Might take a nosepin the size of Jupiter, but I'll vote for her.

[Exilednight]

193. Moot point, she already lost. n/t

[noel711]

194. I will vote for the candidate of my party's choice....

Of course I have a preference,
but I'm a grown up, and know that how we vote
will impact our future...

We definitely need a change..

[CaptJasHook]

195. Unlike many Hillary supporters, I can definitely say YES.

[hfojvt]

196. No way in hell. She CANNOT win. She might STEAL the nomination

and I am not gonna reward theft.

She's not gonna win Kansas anyway, so losing my vote is no big loss.

[Hokie]

197. Of course

It is not an decision I will have to make but it would be a no brainer. I was a Hillary supporter earlier but I really will be disappointed if she is the nominee. Obama won me over then Hillary lost me - in that order.

[zulchzulu]

198. It would depend on the process where she "won" the nomination

If it was fair and square without cheating, I would expect nearly all Democrats would vote for her, including me.

She has about a 1% chance of winning the nomination, so if the process where she "wins" is by cheating, I will do all I can to make sure she does not win.

[Pastiche423]

199. Sure

IF by voting for her will mean I can walk again.

Or, IOW, I live in reality. I will never walk again and Hillary Clinton will not be our Democratic nomination.

So, the question is moot.

[Thrill]

200. Yes. Because if Grandpa wins...I feel sorry for this country

[maui9002]

201. Yes, and I'm an Obama supporter.

[gmudem]

204. Yes. But she has a 0% chance of winning, so the question is irrelevant.

[dsomuah]

206. If it happens yes. But it won't happen

[Starbucks Anarchist]

207. Yes.

[Voltaire99]

208. Let me make this perfectly clear.

No. Fucking. Way.

No votes for right wing Bush-lite scum. It's just a little principle I have.

[ballsalicious]

209. wont happen, after that protest mutant march, she is no longer a dem in my book

[tekisui]

210. Of course,

However, I would leave the Party afterwards.

[Adelante]

212. I vote Dem nt

[crispini]

213. "In the primary you fall in love, in the general you fall in line" -- Bill Clinton

I am voting for the Democratic nominee in the fall, even if it's a yellow dawg! :patriot:

[JerseygirlCT]

215. What primary? Puerto Rico?

She's already lost the nomination campaign.

But to use the theoretical, *had* she won it, yes, she would have had my vote. I'm a Democrat.

[tpsbmam]

218. Though she won't win, my hypothetical to your hypothetical is absolutely yes....

while holding my nose and carrying the just-in-case vomit bag.