Calling it a "Popular Vote" is emotional manipulation. No General Election ever lasted 6 MONTHS...

[Bicoastal]

Think about the hundreds of thousands of people who changed their minds or saw their candidate leave the race in the early months. Think about the difficulty of configuring the results of caucuses and open primaries (in which Republicans could vote for Democrats) to accurately reflect anything--especially in one particular state where one candidate wasn't even on the ballot!--to add up to anything remotely resembling the will of the people. That's why every single count of the popular vote is different at this point--it simply can't be done to any degree of accuracy.

That's why we have proportional representation--to balance the above disparities--via the pledged delegates. Obama has all but WON that count, and so is the party's choice, and the people's choice. (Clinton/Obama matchups in polls bear that out.) Super-Delegates are merely acting as tie-breakers, and they're swinging in the direction of the people.

I feel this is just a sad attempt to take advantage of the loss and heartbreak that WAS Florida 2000. THAT was a GE in which the rules were changed AFTER the fact--this is a primary in which the only people who WANT to change the pre-established rules are the ones currently losing.

[Saturday]

1. And the ones winning don't care if votes are counted. Your dead to me MI and FL.nt

[Window]

3. Your candidate is the one touting the "popular vote" crap.

I believe one the things the O/P is pointing out is that there is no fair way to arrive at a popular vote total when we have Republicans crossing over to vote for a day in our Democratic primary. The only way you can get a true popular vote tally is in the GE.

MI and FL are a different story -- those state's leaders who voted to have early primaries when they were warned not to, and, were aware of the consequences, should be held accountable. Rules are rules and shit happens when rules are broken. Any candidate who did not agree should be on record that they opposed.

[cyclezealot]

2. That is the reason the nominating system need be changed

Very true. Our vote was not and still would not be for Obama or Clinton. They are flawed candidates who under another system would not win. Its too long. It should be over in no more than three months, let alone six. The horse was is stale news. And those of us who realize others would have been the better choice, really are now just passengers in the back of the bus. If our votes could still matter , the dynamics would be drastically different.

[TexasObserver]

5. I agree that three months is plenty for the entire primary-caucus season.

I favor all primaries and caucuses being required between January 3rd and April 3rd.

The DNC should exert some control over the scheduling, but the goal should be to have between 3-6 primaries or caucuses every week for 10-12 consecutive weeks. We need to get rid of the early monopoply held by Iowa and New Hampshire. If anything, they should not be allowed to go first.

[SoCalDem]

6. Yep.. we need REGIONAL primaries..maybe 4 of 'em .. a month apart

IA & NH can still have their little show, but the rest of the primaries need to start in Feb.. Just "quarter" the country or use time zones.. start in Feb.. debates week 1..campaign week 2 & 3 & vote on the LAST weekend of the month

We'd be done in May and have the convention in mid-June..

If we used a standard PAPER ballot with ONLY the candidates' names..listed alphabetically, it would be easy..

Let EVERYONE vote the same day..even independents..BUT they get a ballot will ALL names..republican and democrat and they choose ONE..

Their ballots do not COUNT..they are for informational purposes only..

and NO "party flipping" within 120 days of a primary..

Never-voted-before voters could sign up ..but not within 60 days before the primary..

[SoCalDem]

4. And the fact that CA is Obama coountry NOW..but gave HER the "win"

back in January through Early voting & absentees.. We started EV on Jan 7..well before anone even knew who Obama was..Had CA voted NOW, she would NEVER win CA..

(1/3 to 1/2 of ALL primary votes were early votes or absentee)