Simple Question: Is using the word "assassinated" acceptable?

[gulfcoastliberal]

Poll question: Simple Question: Is using the word "assassinated" acceptable?

Since Hillary has neither apologized for her phrasing nor acknowledged that her use of the phrase "assassinated" was a mistake or wrong ("...sorry if anyone was offended"...), she must think bringing up assassination is acceptable political discourse.

Do you agree or disagree?

[gulfcoastliberal]

1. kick/nt

[Donkeykick]

2. I don't know where you have been, gulfcoastliberal:

But she has already http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080523/ap_on_el_pr/clinton">done that.

[gulfcoastliberal]

3. Eh? Show me where she acknowledges saying "assassinated" is wrong!

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive."

If?! IF?!

[earthlover]

7. Hmmm....lessee....what if somene assassated Hillary....and "apologized" by saying...

"gee, I'm sorry if anyone is offended by this".....

I hate it when people are such moral cowards as to make an apology that really is only saying they are sorry that others took offense at what they dastardly did.....without any show of remorse for what she/he did in the first place!

[Donkeykick]

8. You got it my man.

If. Which means she didn't mean to upset anyone with her verbal slip. So do you think that Obama aught to apologize about his remarks, too? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3740080.ece">News Link

“I didn’t say it as well as I could have,” he said. “Obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that.

IF? IF? IF? :wtf:

[rebel with a cause]

4. When is an apology not an apology?

When you say that you are sorry that someone got offended but don't say you are sorry for doing what offended them. Hillary's words were what offended people, her use of JFK's assassination instead of his campaign was what offended people, her lack of tack was what offended people. It was not their ears that offended them, it was HER words.

[Donkeykick]

9. Hopefully...

you think that this goes for Obama too? See my earlier post. (And it's still :wtf:)

[rebel with a cause]

15. Yes, I think it goes for everyone

but Obama said "if I worded it in a way that offended". He took responsibility for wording it wrong. Hillary could have done the same thing and I would have said that it was an apology. If she had only said "I meant to say one thing and the words came out wrong. I am sorry if the way I expressed my thoughts offended anyone." The problem is that, like the Bosnia statement, she has made this same statement several times. That is :wtf:.

[Donkeykick]

17. rebel with a cause:

the if word is still applying to Barack. Both have said it; this was my main point with gulfcoastliberal. :eyes:

[rebel with a cause]

34. I caught on to that,

and yes the "if" word does apply to both, but I would have accepted her using the "if" word as long as she had at least admitted she may have worded it wrong. I am not a stickler on them getting down on bended knees, but I would like it better if they just outright apoligized. Though I do remember Obama saying that he had used the wrong word when he said bitter, he said discouraged or dishearted would have been better. :shrug:

[BlooInBloo]

5. I take it you haven't seen Fox riffing off of Hillary 'Vulture' Clinton.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. Of course it is

it's a simple, truthful historical fact that people have been assassinated. The word is not taboo, nor should it be. Are we going to have to come up with a euphemism for it now? Will we have to refer to JFK's "immediate health stoppage" or the attempt to "send Reagan to a farm upstate" in '81?

I imagine both candidates used the word in their recent tributes to Martin Luther King - it wasn't an issue then.

[earthlover]

12. How about Benazir Bhutto and Indira Ghandi?

Benazir Bhutto and Indira Ghandi were assassinated. This too is a historical fact.

But you don't see anyone bringing this up in a US presidential campaign. Nobody is even remotely suggesting that Hillary, being a woman, is going to face the risk of the fate that other women have suffered.

Yes, RFK was assassinated. Historical fact. One might ask, so what?!

Hillary only posed this "historical fact" in the context of a question of why she was continuing to run in face of long odds.

The only way this would be relevant to Hillary would be if Obama were assassinated.

I am sorry. Hillary has taken on the image of a vulture, awaiting carrion to pounce on. She had no call bringing this up. Not once. Not twice. And certainly not three times!

[MonkeyFunk]

21. No

it wasn't in the context of the long odds she faced.

It was in the context of the TIME FRAME involved. She pointed out that other primary races went into June.

I don't think any of you actually believe otherwise - you've just found a good reason to pretend to be outraged.

[earthlover]

26. Go back to the transcript....what was the question she was asked?

If you bother, you will see what I mean....

[MonkeyFunk]

29. She was talking about the timeframe

I don’t know I don’t know I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don’t understand it and between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery.

EB: You don’t buy the party unity argument?

I don’t, because again, I’ve been around long enough. You know my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere around the middle of June

EB: June

We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. Um you know I just I don’t understand it. There’s lots of speculation about why it is.

The "Party unity" argument is that we must have a candidate chosen before June, for the sake of party unity. She's pointing to examples where we did NOT have a candidate chosen before June. She's saying the argument that she must get out of the race is, historically, a poor one.

It's so obvious what she was saying that I don't think anybody with an ounce of intellectual honesty sincerely believes otherwise. It's an entirely contrived outrage.

[earthlover]

35. the "party unity" arguement was the arguement that Hillary would step down for unity...

...which was EXACTLY what i was referring to. To show why she continues her campaign, she cited her husband's CA primary election in June, and RFK's ASSASSINATION. Note to the living: she did NOT say that RFK, McCarthy and Humphrey were in a race until CA in 68. She said nothing, absolutely nothing about the race. She just talked about the assassination. So what was her point?

Now, if timeframe were the point, she would have said RFK, McCarthy and Humphrey were locked in battle up until June when RFK won the CA primary. The assassination is irrelevant to the point she was ALLEGEDLY making.

[foo_bar]

10. the word itself isn't a problem, using the word as a rationale for hope seems fascist

Not "fascist" like "bad", fascist like attaining power by force or openly wishing for it.

[T Monk]

23. good insight

[Cha]

11. Maybe hilary rotten clinton will

keep her big pie hole shut about RFK's assassination in JUNE now that she fucking has to spin her uglyass head off about what she didn't mean and who she didn't offend? Ya think?

[earthlover]

13. Every time I start to sympathize with Hillary, she says something stupid....my bad!

[Cha]

19. No sympathy for

warhogs.

[BlooInBloo]

14. It is now, thanks to Clinton The Vulture, who mainstreamed it.

[Window]

16. Never acceptable.

[Perry Logan]

18. If you needed to refer to an assassination for some reason, what word should you use?

Or should you just drop out of the race?

Or should you cluck like a chicken and wave your arms?

Talk to me, DU. I need to understand the new, smaller, slightly psychotic Democratic Party.

[MethuenProgressive]

20. Michelle Obama said her husband "could be shot" - was that acceptable?

...

[2rth2pwr]

22. Absolutely not, she needs to drop out of the campaign now.

[dailykoff]

24. Turning the assassination of a political rival into a chat-show topic is NOT okay.

It is lower than any other candidate has gone in my memory, Dem or GOP. It is, beyond question, despicable and dangerous. It shows unspeakably bad judgment at the very least.

[madrchsod]

25. 6 people agree...that`s sad

[MonkeyFunk]

27. What's sad about it?

The notion that the word "assassinated" should never be used is just absurd.

[cloudythescribbler]

28. It depends on context -- in this context it was a major gaffe

That doesn't mean I would raise a hue-and-cry after her for this gaffe, but it does underscore my already strong belief that Obama should pick a female running mate, NOT Hillary, one who NEVER supported the Iraq War Resolution (IWR).

It reminds us that it isn't WHOLLY merely rightwing smears that result in why Hillary Clinton is the lightning rod for resentment that she is.

[ruby slippers]

30. using it over and over and over again just plants it in the mind...kinda like

the Jeremiah Wright issue and others that have been overplayed....at some point, it plants in the mind. Remember the Manchurian candidate?

[dailykoff]

32. Yep...

so if a "lone nut" just happens to rub him out, nobody can say we weren't warned.

This goes well beyond sleaze. How could anyone trust either of those slimebags??!!

[Teaser]

31. No. But Funkdafied is acceptable.

hell, it's fucking mandatory.

[gulfcoastliberal]

36. Funk yeah! Anything out of the Trunk of Funk is alright by me!

We all know funk has the power to heal.

[ruby slippers]

33. the one who talks about assassination makes a double A** out of himself...