DU has canged my mind and now I believe Rush and Sean.

[styersc]

I thought it was blatant and easily recognizable when GOP propagandists twisted Democrat's words to suit their own ends.

Howard Dean hollers to fire up a group of supporters so he is mentally unstable.

John Kerry points out that Iragi women and children are "terrified" when our troops kick in doors to search houses late at night so he is obviously calling our troops terrorists.

Later Kerry refers to a dim-witted, poorly educated president getting us stuck in a poorly thought out conflict so he must be calling our troops dumb.

Dick Durbin refers to an FBI memo that refers to the brutal treatment of prisoners at Guantanomo and points out the similarities to concentration camps and gualg so he is calling our troops Nazis.

Murtha refers to the trial of Marines accused with an atrocity so obviously he is calling our brave troops cold blooded murderers.

______________________

I had thought all of these distortions were obvious and easy to see through.

Now, Hillary points out examples of Presidential candidates who have fought in the primary well into June and because one of the candidates was assasinated in June, she is obviously calling for her opponents assasination.

Sorry Rush and Sean. I guess you were right all along and my assumptions were off base.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. It was a big, big, gaffe. There was no ill intent behind it, but she needs to go.

[MADem]

37. The gaffe was the idiots who thought that RFK was the equivalent of OBAMA.

When she compared the two campaigns, she was comparing HER campaign to RFK's.

But how could it BEEEE that a WOMAN compares herself to a MAN? It MUST be Obama she's secretly referencing...because he is a MAN, you see! No WAY she could have been talking about her OWN campaign...she's a GIRL!!!! And only OBAMA owns the "Kennedy comparison franchise."

That's the dumbfuck thinking at work here. It IS disgraceful. And embarrassing to those who continue to tout it.

Let's see: NY Senator/running for President/insurgency campaign leading to likely floor fight/contest that continues into June.

Gee, who could that be?

Depends on the year--in 08, it is Clinton. In 68, it was RFK.

Obama wasn't even on the PAGE in this discussion. The people who dragged him in, though, are the real sickos. And it wasn't anyone from the Clinton camp who did that, either. It was his SUPPORTERS who did it--ALL BY THEMSELVES.

Sick bastards.

[NanceGreggs]

49. Yes, of course ...

... entire episode is yet again about sexism. But then, isn't everything?

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[NanceGreggs]

92. Racism is the only thing I think about?

Could you kindly provide a few links to my many, many posts where I have talked about racism?

As for you no longer enjoying my posts, I will try to live the incredible loss.

Funny how you Hill campers get yourselves in a rage about "sexism"
- and then call another woman a "dumb bitch". The hypocrisy is a nice touch!

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[mrreowwr_kittty]

109. They are Feminists For Hillary but other women are garbage

It is the most bizarre and narrowly-focused embracing of the Madonna/whore dichotomy I have ever seen. I've also never known many of them to be feminists on DU before this campaign season.

As for racism, of course it doesn't bother them. They are unable to see oppression against anyone but Hillary Clinton and her supporters.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

118. I smell Pizza

Do you smell it? Look it's a vending machine FULL OF PIZZA.

[MADem]

98. The entire episode is also about people who are completely CLUELESS about very recent

20th Century American History.

Flat out CLUELESS. Woosh! Right over their heads.

She was making a plain parallel, and the amnesia about what was, in the big scheme, a RECENT event, is mind boggling.

Of course, most kids nowadays think Germany and Japan were our ALLIES during WW2. That MEXICO is the world's heaviest defended border. And most of them couldn't find Iraq on a map on a BET.

Why should anyone bother to study those musty, dusty old sixties?

Sexism DOES play a role--and so does rank stupidity.

http://www.amazon.com/Dumbest-Generation-Stupefies-Americans-Jeopardizes/dp/1585426393/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211718669&sr=8-1

[mrreowwr_kittty]

111. Is this how you characterize your fellow DU members?

If that's the case, then I guess it's okay for me to assume that because you are a Hillary supporter, you MUST be a low information bigoted ignoramus. Like this woman:



I'm sure she could find Iraq on a map very easily. You must feel really at home with people like this.

[MADem]

119. If the shoe, or the hairshirt, doesn't fit YOU, why do you insist on wearing it?

Why do you ass-ume it belongs to YOUR fellow DUers, in blanket fashion?

AND you cap it all off by throwing an insult at ME to boot! Wow, what a 'trifecta' you have working, there.

Did I accuse you of anything? No, I didn't, but based on this nasty, immature post of yours, maybe I should have.

Wow, that's some "low information" posting. I'll bet you're proud of yourself, too.

Reading before responding generally helps. You might try it sometime.

By their posts, we most certainly SHALL know them.

:eyes:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

120. You seem bitter, MADem.

:rofl:

[MADem]

122. Gosh, another immature piece of false snark directed at me personally.

Don't any of you have any ability to discuss issues without calling people names or whining and putting people on "IGNORE!!!!!!"

I really don't think you do.

If that's all you've got, you are to be pitied.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

123. Wow.

Just wow.

[MADem]

125. Feeling "bitter" are you? Wow, just wow. You're so ....articulate. No, not really. NT

[mrreowwr_kittty]

126. The first stage of grief is denial, MADem. nt

[MADem]

127. And the first stage of dementia is repeating yourself incessantly.

The only thing I'll "deny" here is that you have an ability to engage anyone on the issues in a substantive fashion.

You do, however, delight in making smug comments that are apropos of absolutely nothing.

You may think you are amusing, but you're a party of one on that score. You're boring. Have a nice day, now.

[Exilednight]

78. I see you failed American History 101. RFK was winning the Democratic nomination, as is Obama .....

and if you knew something about anything, you would know that in 1968 only 13 states actually held primaries.

[MADem]

101. RFK was headed for a FLOOR FIGHT. No one had the number of delegates to WIN.

I have news for you, I have posted about the thirteen states that held primaries during that contest. Only two held caucuses, FWIW. Why do you throw that out like it is "big news" that only you possess? That's common knowledge to anyone who wasn't comatose during that era, or who stayed awake in that history class--it's how things USED TO BE DONE in the "olden days." This fifty state shit is a recent phenomenon. So take that "something about anything" and absorb it, why doncha?

If we ran that scenario again during this election, Clinton would have won most of those states.

The rest of the decision making in that contest came from party leadership in smoke-filled rooms. RFK was a last minute entrant, and he did not have a lock with the state machines at all. He was the guy gumming up the works, getting in the way of the Anointing of the Blessed.

Also, since it escapes your notice, apparently, you might want to chew on this: RFK was the Senator from New York. RFK was battling a "presumptive nominee." Gee, no similarity there at all. Of course, RFK wasn't a female Senator, so how could anyone possibly make that comparison? Only OBAMA can be compared to Kennedy--It's a Gen-Dumb rule!

Stop trying to slough your failing grade off on me. You're the one who doesn't get the obvious analogy.

[Arugula Latte]

116. Oh, good gawd.

Your story has become tiresome.

[MADem]

128. America is fucked, when people call US History a "story."

I didn't think, as a nation, we were actually all that dumb. Maybe I was wrong.

[Honeycombe8]

99. It was her 2nd ref. to assassination. I think she was speaking to the superdelegates...

telling them not to declare, to wait....something catastrophic might happen. I think that's what she meant. She chose a poor example, since she and everyone else knows that he more than any other candidate is at risk of being...you know. He got a security detail before any of the other candidates, for example. The whole country recognizes the sensitive nature of that subject.

She deserves the coal raking she's getting. It was an awful, over the top statement that she may find hard to live down in her future.

[SwampG8r]

108. third

it was the third

[gateley]

2. You're just like Hillary. You never quit. nt

[Xipe Totec]

4. I would consider that a compliment nt

[gateley]

20. It is -- as far as it goes. nt

[SoFlaJet]

3. what if...

Obama and Clinton's situations were reversed? What if Obama had said that about YOUR candidate? Would you feel the same way?

[polmaven]

30. She was NOT....

do you understand the word NOT talking about Senator Obama! She was talking about HERSELF!

She said NOTHING about Senator Obama!

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[MADem]

42. But...but..but...ONLY OBAMA can be compared to a Kennedy!! It's a RULE!!!!

When you say KENNEDY, they say OBAMA!!! Team Obama has apparently applied for copyright protection. NO ONE, save BO, can be compared in ANY way to a KENNEDY!!! :sarcasm:

Even if that Kennedy was a New York Senator, involved in a contested election, without a clear winner, leading to a convention floor fight, in a contest that continued on through JUNE.

Gee, who does that remind you of?

[BlackVelvet04]

47. At one time I thought they brought up shit like this because they

were just shilling...but now I am convinced that most of them have I.Q's to match their shoe size.

[dchill]

66. You have convinced yourself.

No one could have size 150 shoes.

[BlackVelvet04]

87. You don't have a 150 I.Q. either. n/t

[dchill]

88. You just proved yourself.

[BlackVelvet04]

89. And that makes no sense...

[LaurenG]

76. Yes we know we are all dumbasses, yeah - yeah so what.

deal with it because that stupid comment is going to take a while to go away.

[Skrelnick]

5. Yes, I hate when I "misspeak" and "inadvertently" issue veiled death threats

Puh-lease.

[2rth2pwr]

15. Now it was a veiled death threat! lol!

[dchill]

39. Actually, it was more of a death wish.

For her political career.

[BlackVelvet04]

38. time for the rubber room for you.....

I swear to God you people are the dumbest assholes I've ever encountered.

[OzarkDem]

115. Welcome to DU

:eyes:

[blue sky at night]

6. what a waste of my time reading this......

thanks and have a great day.

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[durrrty libby]

18. No, your candidate is more like The American Idol

There is no logical reason for supporting him except people love...love ..love American Idol

They vote their little hearts out for a crappy singer that they identify with because they

have shallow meaningless lives

BO is just like an American Idol contestant. His only talent is reading from a teleprompter

and one day all the little groupies will discover he is just like Milli Vanilli

They got sucked in by a no talent Fraud

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[Pathwalker]

31. Why did you edit out the USED TAMPON reference?

Huh?

[JVS]

36. Because I saw you griping about me saying she had less charisma than a used tampon in another thread

[Pathwalker]

THANK YOU!

It was revolting, at the very least. I appreciate you doing that.

[durrrty libby]

64. Don't thank him. I like when those posts are left to stand

It shows how deep and nasty the filthy sexists wallow in their own crud

It is impossible for them to actually believe they have an ounce of progressive in them

[JVS]

69. Should I have said she has less charisma than a used condom instead? Would that be less sexist?

[Pathwalker]

73. No, but it would sound like a long dead DUer, who

liked to use disgusting images when discussing Democratic candidates. But, I'm STILL glad you edited it. Peace.

[sandnsea]

8. There were only 15 primaries in 1968

Do you know that? Johnson didn't drop out until March 31, which is when Kennedy decided to get in. Do you know that? The nomination was absolutely going to be decided at the convention in 1968 because that's the way it was done then. Do you know that?

Now that you know all of that, why in the world would anyone compare 1968 to 2008? They aren't remotely the same.

[moobu2]

9. I think Obama supporters have cracked under the pressure

Not all of them, just the ones who are making Hillary's comment into something it wasn’t, and yes, it was exactly the same thing the republicans did to John Kerry.

[beezlebum]

10. sorry

"Now, Hillary points out examples of Presidential candidates who have fought in the primary well into June and because one of the candidates was assasinated in June, she is obviously calling for her opponents assasination."

she is not calling for his assassination- that is not the problem. she is sending the message that she should be nominated because he is more likely to be assassinated. perhaps people could see it as a gaffe if only she'd said it once, but this is the third time she has brought it up- she has made assassination a talking point and that is absolutely abhorrent.

i'm sure some people would love to stretch this into the dean scream, or bittergate type crap- not going to happen. most of her other misspeakings- there have been lots- were forgiven, given a pass, ignored, brushed off- not this one. she has crossed a line.

i would not go giving rush and hannity credence at this point, even with my tongue pressed firmly into my cheek. :eyes:

[Swamp Rat]

11. "she is obviously calling for her opponents assasination." - Straw Man

And quite an ugly one at that.

[golddigger]

103. You need to get out of the swamp more.

[Swamp Rat]

104. LOL! Now, why would I do that?

It's nice and cool in here, and I can eat anything I want.

[AuntPatsy]

12. Knowing its sarcasm I can't help but agree with you, I am seeing

the very seem actions coming from people that once shouted outrage when others did it...so very sad.

[jsmirman]

13. Are you a liar or just hard of hearing?

"Hillary points out examples of Presidential candidates who have fought in the primary well into June and because one of the candidates was assasinated in June, she is obviously calling for her opponents assasination."

Outrageous.

"and because one of the candidates was assasinated in June, she is obviously calling for her opponents assasination."

Uh, NO. She specifically NOTED THAT RFK WAS ASSASSINATED IN JUNE. It wasn't like that was some innocent corrolary left out there for the rest of us to put together later. Your version is not only insanely dishonest, but hilarious, considering every single person on this board KNOWS WHAT SHE SAID. Do you think you can snow us by trying to pretend her statement was something altogether different?

And don't try to pin this bullshit that the bulk of us say she is "calling for her opponent's assassination." That's not even close to what we are saying. We are saying that she is using something as heinous and tragic as RFK's assassination to justify her continued candidacy and that this is beyond callous and disgusting.

Now shoo.

[BlackVelvet04]

44. and now you are just plain lying....

you should know damn good and well that many of the obama supporters said she was calling for his assasination....and no I won't go find a link. Read.

[jsmirman]

56. Uh, you can't read. "The bulk of us"

distinctions, words actually selected for their meaning, differences between things- how freaking hard is it to read a post as short as mine? And yet you missed by a mile.

Good gravy, some of you people are maddening. Don't play if you can't play. Please.

[BlackVelvet04]

58. and I think the bulk of you did......

at least a large enough number to spam the front page of GD: P with that bullshit.

[jsmirman]

59. I think they stood out more for you. In fact, I believe there were polls

and the results were nothing like what you are suggesting.

[BlackVelvet04]

63. There have been screenshots taken of the the front page...

and there were so many threads about this silly ass shit they didn't have to "stand out" it was pretty much all there was.

[Rageneau]

14. Except Rush and Sean don't hate Hillary HALF as much as much as some people here.

Never in my life have I seen so many ostensibly fair-minded liberals turn into shrieking members of a bloodthirsty lynch mob.

In Africa, 23 women were recently burned alive for being witches. I'm sad to say that there are people right here on this board who claim to be liberal Democrats, who would burn Hillary alive -- and I mean LITERALLY -- if they could.

It's scary.

[jsmirman]

16. And... now we have the "let's tie this to hatred towards women" LIE

is there anything you all won't stoop to?

Do you think we would have been any less incensed if a white MAN had said what she said???

You disgust me.

:argh:

[BlackVelvet04]

50. Speaking of disgust....

how many times have the Obama supporters thrown out the accusation of racism? You guys can dish it out but you damn sure can't take it....what a bunch of fucking, ignorant, moronic babies.

[jsmirman]

62. I can't think of a single time a poster has been called racist , or a single thing Obama has done

that is sexist.

That covers both halves of the argument.

On the other hand, the accusation of hatred for Hillary being sexist in derivation is strewn around here like re-used confetti and the Clinton campaign has specifically said things that have rightly been questioned under the light of racism/not racism.

Again, actual differences appear to elude you.

[BlackVelvet04]

LOL....

congratulations on winning the award for the biggest BS post of the year.

[lumpy]

79. Wrong wrong wrong

Covering up pot smoke with air freshner doesn't cut it.

[sueragingroz]

105. Sweetie anyone?

Seriously.. do you watch the news... EVER?

[lumpy]

77. I don't see the Obama Jack*s on this forum supporting their

candidate. All they have been doing is spewing their hatred toward Hillary Clinton. As useless as a fifth tit on a boar.

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[indimuse]

100. May I second that?

????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response - TYT

[greenvpi]

28. You have that wrong

> ostensibly fair-minded liberals turn into shrieking members of a bloodthirsty lynch mob

Umm, these Obama supporters are absolutely not "fair-minded" liberals. A fair-minded person wouldn't be making wild-ass claims that the most powerful and important woman in our party wants to see someone dead. All she did was express a valid concern, but instead these violent nuts with their own fantasies of killing turn it into something that they desire.

[jsmirman]

41. I started to respond to this, but then realized how pointless it is

the bulk of us are NOT suggesting she wants him dead. We have a problem with her using the concept as a political justification. Get it? Duh.

[lumpy]

80. Yeah, like you read every Obamaite's posts.

BS

[blm]

17. Hillary AGREED with Bush, McCain, Rush and Hannity siding with them over Kerry.

And Bill Clinton sided with Bush over Kerry throughout his summer2004 book tour where he supported and DEFENDED Bush on his military strategy for terrorism and Iraq war against the criticisms of the 'left' including from our then nominee, John Kerry.

But then, you want to pretend Clintons act like this out of some sort of naivete about politics, right?

Clintons have EARNED our distrust - for the last two daecde they have consistently focked over Dem party, its issues, and the need for an accurate historic record of this nation's governance - and in so doing focked over this nation and the world.

[lumpy]

82. Can you prove what you spiel ?

I thought not.

[blm]

91. You think wrong - Hillary's video siding with Bush against Kerry is on YouTube via Larry King

And if you don't recall Bill's three week book tour in 2004 where he defended Bush on his military decisions on Iraq and terrorism, then that shows how UNATTENTIVE and UNAWARE you are. Most everyone on this board can quote some of the more 'FAMOUS' remarks from Bill, especially how he BRAGGED about defending Bush from the 'criticisms of the left'....why you think this didn't happen is a puzzlement - where have you been the last 4 years people at DU have posted about the Clintons' protection of Bush on Iraq and Hillary's video siding with Bush and Mccain against Kerry?

Apparently every time it was linked here - possibly thousands of times, including in other threads today - you never bothered to take advantage of the link.

You THINK wrong.

Here is just a sample of links where TeamClinton has been called out for their betrayals -


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[apocalypsehow]

21. I'll bet Rush and Sean have themselves a loyal dittohead listener in "styersc" alrighty...

:eyes:

Has your buddy Sean had the opportunity to call you a "great American" yet? :rofl:

[cbc5g]

22. Yeah and Hillary's attacks and distortions of Obama's words were OKAY right?

They were okay because your candidate wasn't on the receiving end, RIGHT?

[lumpy]

83. Can you point out any distortions Clinton has made of Obama's

words? I thought not.

[quaker bill]

23. For all her "ready on day 1" brilliance

she could not come up with another example? One where the opponent survived perhaps?

Then she has McCauliffe running about to all the MSM saying 'anything might happen', 'you know, Chris anything might happen'....

I generally agree with you that the interpretation of her comment has gone a good bit over the top. But really, why choose to go there at all (RFK)? There is nothing about this that speaks to her political savvy, to the unproven extent it exists.

I know, like the Bosnia thing, she was tired.

[Barrymores Ghost]

24. Try again.

Either she's a complete historical idiot, and foot-in-mouth dumbfuck, or there's a very good reason to allude to RFK's murder:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6111215&mesg_id=6111215

[tishaLA]

25. Ironic that Hillary goofballs like Taylor Marsh were

playing long segments of Hannity--approvingly!--during the Wright thing. And spreading all manner of RW smear about Michelle Obama, etc.

[SoFlaJet]

51. damn Tisha

is that you in there?-you're a very pretty lady-if you don't mind me saying so...

[Catchawave]

26. I've found myself watching Fox more now for general news

and political coverage.

And even started reading Redstate.

Thank you MSNBC,CNN, Daily Kos and DU :hi:

[dchill]

43. They say the things you want to hear.

You're welcome - to Fox.

[Quixote1818]

27. I agree but since she threw John Kerry under the bus for one of the things you cited

I don't have any remorse for her.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

29. A very very large one of these....

[Warren Stupidity]

32. no snark needed

I'm sorry your chosen candidate is such an out of control disruptive disunifying fuckup. I suggest you get over it and lets all get on with the november election campaign.

[styersc]

45. Oh, your answer is

Shut the f&$% up, vote for my candidate, and keep your mouth shut- we will smear you however we want.

In all honesty I like Obama and ony regret his youth and lack of experience.

His hate filled supporters, however, are making any Green Party candidate look pretty good.

[Warren Stupidity]

52. No that wasn't my answer.

My answer is that I am sorry that your chosen candidate is such a disruptive disunifying fuckup. You should get over her failed campaign, stop being drawn into her futile vanity on to Denver bullshit, and get behind the candidate who is now our presumptive nominee and start working on electing a Democratic president in november.

Either that or you can go fuck off.

[lumpy]

86. No shit. If O-bote worshiper's words of Clinton hate are

indicative of whether they will accept the esteemed one's decisions, right or wrong, we will never pull out of this mess the US is in.

[BlackVelvet04]

57. coming from the supporter of an arrogant asshole who

threw everybody who owns guns or is religious under the bus is truly rich.

[Warren Stupidity]

60. you forgot to pastorbate

and don't forget sweetiegate.

Now, here is the thing: has Obama screwed up? Sure has. On the other hand, he has won the nomination and Clinton has lost. Barring some unforeseen event (and what might that be?) he will be our nominee for the general election. So cut the crap and get on board the bus. Are you with us or against us? Time to choose.

[BlackVelvet04]

61. No, he hasn't won the nomination yet....

but don't let facts get in the way of your little circle jerk you guys have going.

[Warren Stupidity]

68. Keep grasping on to that straw.

Actually he effectively won the nomination back in February, even the Clinton campaign team has admitted that. I'm sorry she has dragged you along with her delusions.

[dchill]

72. "he hasn't won the nomination yet..."

Barring what?

[sueragingroz]

106. Obama is one "whitey" video away from political oblivion...

It's just a matter of when boys and girls.

Do you want a democrat in the white house or not?

[JVS]

112. You should post that as an OP.

[stillcool]

33. she is not calling for an assassination...

but she is hoping for some "catastrophic event" or "revelation" that will hand her the nomination.

the sky will open, the light will come down, a lightening bolt will strike Senator Obama, and the celestial choirs will be singing my name.

Interview with Clinton: One Day at a Time
Thursday, Mar. 06, 2008
TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1719900,00.htm

Clinton campaign on ropes

BY JOHN GUERRIERO
Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437

Sun May 11, 2008
Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination. But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest

CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination
May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml

[crankychatter]

35. this place has been infested for a long time

jeezus they're crawling out of the woodwork

[Liberal Veteran]

40. I believe Rush and Sean now too!

They were telling me for years that the Clintons were not to be trusted and now I am ashamed that while the specifics of WHY were wrong on the part those two talking head assholes, the sentiment was correct.

[quiet.american]

46. What mind? nt

[dchill]

48. We're really sorry for "canging" your mind.

but it wouldn't appear that we've canged it enough.

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[Evergreen Emerald]

54. excellent post to point out the fact that DU has become what they hate

BATSHIT CRAZY as*wholes who will stoop to any level to justify their hatred of Clinton.

[JoFerret]

95. Hate does have that effect they say.

Political extremists of any stripe always have more in common than they can bear to think.

[formercia]

55. Better get your dollar up-front

http://voteforhillaryonline.blogspot.com/2007/11/get-paid-to-post-positive-comments.html

It would be a shame to put so much effort in and get stiffed by her campaign.

[LaurenG]

67. Oh dear

If you are agreeing with rush and sean I can only say check out that shark behind you, because you have jumped it.

[barack the house]

70. Fox Rush Sean their reliable word would never bring a nation to its knees.

[VotesForWomen]

71. yep; it's a game; it's just a way of camoflaging lies and baseless insults. everybody knows there's

nothing there, but they're looking for an excuse to attack her.

[nichomachus]

74. You are apparently easily fooled n/t

[KSinTX]

75. Glad to hear it! Hannity must be correct then:

HANNITY: Ironically, after Hillary left the law firm and turned into the first lady of Arkansas, the firm's wild antics continued to follow her. There was the case of the Arkansas prison system that came to light soon after Bill became governor in 1979. There were allegations the inmates in Arkansas jails were living in inhumane conditions. A key player in the publicity in that case was Jessica Mitford, the wife of firm partner Bob Treuhaft.

Mitford's involvement in the case had to do with an Arkansas prison escapee, James Dean Walker. He had been convicted of murder of a Little Rock police officer. While in jail, he had won furloughs for religious work and failed to return to the prison from one of those jobs. He fled to California and was later arrested on drug charges. Arkansas officials tried for his extradition back to Arkansas, but his lawyers fought it. Since Mitford was involved in the case, she decided to use her connection to the Clintons to get the state of Arkansas to drop the extradition or to completely pardon Walker.

HANNITY: What does it mean when Hillary Rodham Clinton goes over there at the same time , as saying, questioning the Bush administration’s policies, as she did, and says there are questions about his policies at home and says, “We exert all of our efforts militarily but outcome is not assured?” She said that to the troops.

Sean Hannity said, “After being called 'Judas' by James Carville, Richardson said, 'I’m not going to get into the gutter like that and you know, that’s typical of many of the people around Senator Clinton. They think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency.'”

Hannity said, “On top of the horrible two weeks (Hillary has) had, now that it’s been confirmed by FOX News that she is planting questions in an audience here, and that she couldn’t answer tough questions by Tim Russert and she’s sending Bill out to defend her and she’s changing her positions, this is now gonna keep going for at least another week, don’t you think?”

[anonymous171]

81. You forgot to mention Bittergate.

Revenge is fucking sweet.

[dailykoff]

84. Hillary is our #1!

[PoliticalAmazon]

85. I now understand what Limbaugh means when he talks negatively...

about "feminists."

I had never encountered the likes of some of the Hillary supporters who post here, who turn everything into a "sexist" attack.

This is kind of scary for me. It's like realizing the truth about the Clintons, and thinking back to the Bill administration when I spent so much time researching and defending them. I was wrong on many things then, and I now wonder what else did I get wrong about the Clintons?

Same with feminists and Limbaugh--I always thought Limbaugh was talking out of his ass when he described these "feminists"--who I considered as some myth or archetype he had concocted.

But, my god, I read the very freaking things he has complained about coming from Hillary supporters here.

So what else have I been wrong about with Limbaugh?

Scary, scary, scary.

[Combative Democrat]

94. Funny

I like your thread. I agree with you.

[hfojvt]

96. there are two a$$es in assassin

we don't really need a third

[Political Heretic]

97. She's not calling for her oppents assasination, and her comments were STILL terrible

It left many a listener, democrat / republican, obama supporter / obama hater - hell even the international media and public - shocked and stunned with what sounded like saying, "I'm still in this race because, hey...anything can happen between now and the nomination. Hell, Obama may still get shot! Just look at Bobby Kennedy."

That's what it sounded like. And it doesn't matter how much a fanatical minority of you scream "that's not what she meant!" - its what it SOUNDED LIKE to most of the rest of humanity. It was a gaffe, not a threat - but it cuts to the heart of the desperation of that campaign right now. They will throw out almost any unvetted rationale that gives them an excuse to stay in a lost race without fully thinking through the implications or scope of what they are saying. It's like blurting out - "hell Bobby Kennedy was assasinated in June....oh shit.... didn't think about how that was gonna sound...doh!"

By the way if she had said just that, "Oh shit (or something politically acceptible) - I didn't think about how that was going to sound, bad choice, I apologize for that." I have nothing negative to say about it. But of course she can't do that.

[DangerousRhythm]

114. Right on.

This is exactly the issue. I don't think many people, if any, truly believe she was calling for an assassination.

The fact that she can't even issue a proper apology, with no stupid conditions or "I'm sorry if you were offended" statements just makes it all the worse as far as I'm concerned.

But still... it's over, she's done the damage all on her own. This story needs to go away now, just like Hillary.

[dcindian]

102. Yes your right Hillary is a shallow voter a media whore and any number of things

Rush and Sean call her. Oh sorry did you only agree with the bad things they say against Obama?

Talk about a fuggin ignorant strawman.

[Seabiscuit]

107. Bottom line: Obamanoids behave like freepers when it comes to trashing Clinton.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

113. That's funny, since it's Hillary Clinton supporter who seem to be quoting those sources recently

Bill O'Reilly and FOX News are Teh Awesome, according to Terry McCauliffe and many here.

[L0oniX]

117. canged?

Urban dictionary: 1. Canged
1. To indicate to an individual that you will do an act but in reality you have no intentions on following through.
2. To change your plans if something better comes along and not inform the person you originally made plans with. Leaving that person wondering what happened.

[Phx_Dem]

121. So now you're on the bus with Rush and Sean?

Great. Don't forget to include Karl Rove and Ann Coulter on your "My Friends" list.

Now that you've made it clear where you stand, why don't you do yourself and us a favor and scoot on off to Fox News with your new-found friends.

And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. :hi:


(Mrs.)

[QueenOfCalifornia]

124. Did you bring

an eraser? 'Cause that typo in the subject line is killin' me. :rofl: