Anybody who says Hillary was saying "anything can happen" is absolutely LYING

[Starwars Hillary]

1. She didn't say "anything can happen" yesterday. You can't impart words into a quote which were not there. THAT IS CALLED LYING. Or being incredibly obtuse. She did NOT say what has been fictionalized, so even if you infer something less egregious as an opportunity just to slam Hillary, you're still lying. You are the ones applying ALL of the false meaning. Every bit of it.

2. When she said "anything can happen" before, she was referring to scandals. Like Rev Wright or Rezko, and you know it. There are gobs of conversation on the potential for scandal. No serious debate on assassination whatsoever.

3. She referenced RFK before, which doesn't mean she's been rooting for an assassination for months, it means she made the case ABOUT JUNE before, in response to being repeatedly ordered to "get out of the race" by the media. Read the text of her previous statements. They completely VERIFY that she was singularly talking about June.

TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.

That quote completely disables any false condemnation and bogus outrage. She was making a case for JUNE and JUNE alone. And you freakin know she was. I see a great deal of knowingly false outrage here today. If the Obama campaign, through its surrogates, wants to win like this, upon a grotesque and unequivocal lie, it should be ashamed of itself for betraying everything it originally stood for. This is not transcendent, this is not hope and change, this is certainly not unity, this has NO merit. It is a monumental lie. This is genuine "gutter" politics masquerading as victimization.

[shadowknows69]

1. Fail, weclome to the IgSnored list

[watrwefitinfor]

2. Welcome back to DU.

& to Ignore.

[boobooday]

3. The historical "June" argument doesn't hold water

The campaigns are not comparable. 1968 doesn't make the case for JUNE at all, because JUNE was the MIDDLE of the primary season, and not the end in 1968.

Why 1968? Why RFK? Can you explain that?

[rock]

6. A bad analogy doesn't mean

that we are free to re-interpret what she said. Sometimes a bad analogy is just a bad analogy.

[Medusa]

14. No interpretation is necessary. She said what she meant

and it wasn't the first time she'd said it. There is no other way for her to win this party's nomination but that scenario. To voice it. . my God, she crossed a line you simply do not cross. And then she had the audacity not to even apologize for saying it---she simply apologized to the Kennedys, probably because RFK Jr. is in her camp (he wants her senate seat so there's something in it for him). She's a vulture. A ghoul. And there's never ever a single word that escapes from her lips that hasn't been thought about, thought about again, and then focus grouped to death. The very suggestion by her cult members that she didn't really mean what she said is just one more outrageous insult to the Obama campaign.

[Starwars Hillary]

18. LOL, she "focus grouped" assassination. How f'n ridiculous. I've heard it all now

Hence my point about lying, or being incredibly obtuse.

[Starwars Hillary]

9. June was still as close to the election then as it is today

In terms of time. It doesn't matter what stage of the primary, she is talking about the proximity to the convention, and the election. The essence of "get out of the race" refers to "unity" in time for the convention. Btw, RFK was not the front-runner in 68 in June, he was the challenger. Was she therefore referencing her OWN assassination? That is just as ludicrous as most interpretations I see here today -- that she was encouraging a gun nut to whack Obama.

[ecdab]

17. Point of fact - the Democrats lost in '68 and in '92 Bill wrapped up the nomination

months before June. Her point about June was completely invalid - and to bring up political assassination to make an invalid point shows a complete lack of class. To bring up a distortion about the '92 race shows a complete lack of integrity.

[Starwars Hillary]

27. Clinton had to beat CA gov Jerry Brown in CA to secure the 92 nomination

The point was not invalid. Though Clinton had a sizable delegate lead after winning NY, the race legitimately continued into June. 68, as well, went to June, the GE result is irrelevant. Your point about the GE is itself completely invalid, and thus shows, by your measure, "a complete lack of integrity". Moreover, she referenced the assassination to reaffirm in people's minds that it went to JUNE via a well known historical marker. Any other reading of that as "classless" is a projection and thus a lie. You might as well call American high-school textbooks "classless".

[dkf]

41. You have your history wrong...

THE 1992 CAMPAIGN: Primaries; TSONGAS ABANDONS CAMPAIGN, LEAVING CLINTON A CLEAR PATH TOWARD SHOWDOWN WITH BUSH

By ROBIN TONER,
Published: March 20, 1992

Former Senator Paul E. Tsongas of Massachusetts withdrew from the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination today, a decision that many in his party said all but insured the selection of Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas.

Mr. Clinton is already close to the halfway mark in the number of delegates needed to win the nomination and has a 7-to-1 edge over Mr. Brown, who is running a maverick, anti-establishment campaign. Many Democrats said that barring an unexpected collapse by Mr. Clinton's campaign, it is difficult to see how Mr. Brown can overtake the Governor.

According to a compilation by The New York Times, Mr. Clinton had 991 delegates this week, while Mr. Brown had 143. It takes 2,145 delegates to secure the nomination. The Democratic rules allocate delegates on the basis of strict proportional representation -- rather than winner-take-all -- which means that it could still take considerable time for Mr. Clinton to attain the magic number. But those same rules make it harder for Mr. Brown to catch fire late, win some big states and overtake him.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE0DE1F3FF933A15750C0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

[ecdab]

45. Thanks for saving me the effort of giving a history lesson to those

to lazy to look for themselves.

[boobooday]

19. Why 1968? Because June was still 2 months from August?

Huh?

[Starwars Hillary]

30. Exactly. "Get out of the race" means "you're in it too close to the convention"..

If the primary season "used" to go so late, as you say, who cares that Hillary is still in it. Lots of freakin precedent for that. She happened to recite recent examples because she's being bullied out of the race by Obama fanatics. Proof of that is that this fake outrage is being utilized to demand she get out. By whatever function you need to win.

[boobooday]

34. So 1968 is a recent example?

The facts to which I referred can be verified. Obviously the primary calendar was bit different in 1968, as it was in 1992, making it a totally bogus example as well. California, with its huge number of electoral votes, didn't happen until June, which is why the primary was never over until then.

All that's left for June now is Puerto Rico. She isn't being "bullied out". She has competed in every primary except for three, resulting in a second place finish.

[Starwars Hillary]

35. The stage of the primary is irrelevant,, THEY WENT TO JUNE, that was the point of her comment

"June" made them close to the convention. Close to the convention (too close) is the essence of "get out of the race". At least we're arguing the merits of her argument, rather than the histrionic myth of this outrage. That's a step in the right direction.

[boobooday]

44. She's staying in when there are no more contests that could change the outcome

Still not addressing the point. In 1968 only 13 primaries had taken place by June, with many more yet to come, so there was still a competition at that point. It has nothing to do with the convention date.

The outrage isn't mythical. Put the shoe on the other foot for a moment, and imagine that she had a clear lead in every category, then imagine a competitor saying he was staying in because sometimes bad things like assassination happen before the convention.

[ecdab]

4. It was a morbid and stupid thing to say and her point about '92 was utter BS.

[Starwars Hillary]

15. 68 was correct, but morbid. 92 was not morbid, but also not correct.

Looks like that's why she needed more than 1 example. Good point.

[dkf]

5. You'd be ok if I talked about how I could benefit if Hillary got assassinated?

Cuz I think its rather sick myself.

[Starwars Hillary]

12. No, good thing Hillary did not do that either!

But you can pretend she did if you want to get out of gym class.

[dkf]

16. That's the underlying sentiment IMO.

Its one of the ways she thinks she gets the nomination...do you deny that she's thought about it?

[Higher Standard]

7. I don't think she was being malicious...

However, you can't berate people for stating an interpretation of something she didn't literally say and then follow then with a defense which is an interpretation and not something she literally said yesterday. That sort of takes the piss out of your first argument.

[populistdriven]

8. /PLONK

http://trollalert.ytmnd.com /

[Maureen54]

10. victim?

From my perspective ,Clinton has played the victim at every opportunity, Obama has not.
People I have discussed this issue with have not said that she said "anything can happen" .They were all just taken aback by the comment. They are all saying , that she will use the media's coverage of this and become "the victim" once again.

[Berry Cool]

11. Oh. Well. With all those words and that convoluted reasoning,

not to mention your accusation that others are experiencing false and bogus outrage, you have certainly convinced me, and no doubt anyone else who feels as I do. :sarcasm:

You know what? Sometimes rationalizations just don't work.

Believe it or not, I tried to rationalize, too. I jumped through all the same hoops you did: She only meant June. She was just talking about June. (As if it were even relevant to make a comparison, which it's not.)

And then I realized that if she was just talking about June, she didn't have to bring up assassination at all. She could have said "The 1968 campaign continued into June, which we all sadly remember," or something like that. But she didn't.

And that by mentioning it, not only was she causing extra heartbreak for a family currently in a lot of heartbreak, but raising the spectre of a very clear and present danger to another family--WHEN SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO.

Why? Just being tacky and uncouth? At best. But at worst...well, I didn't want to go there. But the only conclusion I can draw is that it was an awful thing to do.

And I assure you, my feelings about that are very real.

If you think anyone else's post can dismiss and condemn them neatly and quickly, including yours, you're wrong.

Oh, and "Anything can happen"? That was the most DISGUSTING comment she could ever have made. Because even if she DIDN'T mean assassination, sickness, death, etc., for her rival, what she DID mean was, in essence, "I am waiting for a huge scandal to blow in and make Obama unelectable, in which case I can ride in and save the day."

Which is just like if Tonya Harding didn't do a thing but just HOPE for Nancy Kerrigan to injure a knee before the Olympics. Nice sportsmanship there, ma'am. And it still doesn't explain why she had to keep campaigning. What? She thought no one would come to her with hat in hand unless she kept driving on?

I've tried to do the convolutions. It doesn't work. Neither does your post.

[global1]

13. I Suppose Your Post Was Entirely Cut And Pasted From An Emergency E-Mail.......

you received during the night as 'talking points' to defend Hilliary for her malicious and stupid statement(s). I can already see this a.m. by just listening to some of the chatter on the news stations that the 'protect Hilliary' team is out in full force to help her through this. They all got the same emergency e-mail I suppose.

You know that this is exactly the kind of thing the Hilliary campaign would have jumped on if Obama made - as the Hilliary talking heads call it a 'gaffe'. This is what Hilliary was waiting for - except - she said it.

So - now deal with it - it's over.

Don't let your candidate make more of a fool of herself in weeks to come. If she happens to have secretly given up '08 and is now really running for '12 - she just sunk her efforts on that one as well.

[Starwars Hillary]

28. I bet your response was pilfered from an Obama blog!

Hell, this whole fucking board was.

[bigtree]

20. REC'D. Thanks for sticking your neck out for the truth.

[stray cat]

21. I think she said that in a previous time she brought the topic up

[ccharles000]

22. I agree.

[dkf]

23. Here is her campaign manager saying "Anything can happen"

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mcauliffe-anything-can-happen/1950151200

[Starwars Hillary]

33. #1, read the OP to see what is meant by that. #2, NEVER did they tie that to RFK

And neither did anybody.

Did you notice how she said this before AND NOBODY CARED. Then, they understood it. Today, there's an agenda to toss her out and save Obama from unelectability.

[JimGinPA]

24. She's Been Saying It For Months - And So Have Some Of Her Surrogates - Only A Liar Would Deny It

[Starwars Hillary]

31. She never tied RFK's tragedy with "anything can happen" - THAT is a lie

Not freaking once. Find me a link. Don't use her quote yesterday, because it's not there. Hence the bullshit inherent in this faux firestorm.

[liberalcommontater]

25. You are exactly right.

I listened to the interview. Put my Obama cap on and I still heard her say it was OK to stay in the race in June.

If this is the way this campaign is going to be played out in the fall, Hillary had better stay in through the convention.

[FarCenter]

26. So it wasn't a Freudian slip?

She's been thinking for months that Obama might be dead by June?

[Starwars Hillary]

37. People don't read shit, do they. No wonder they can be manipulated by MSNBC

Try reading point #3.

[chascarrillo]

29. So, she's sticking it out through June because nothing can happen?

Hunh.

[Starwars Hillary]

32. If I were you I'd read the OP, it answers your "huh" perfectly

Hint: (it's #2)

[dkf]

36. Are you saying she has never contemplated that Obama could be murdered?

Because I think that is a load of bullcrap. Isn't that what a VP is for?

[Starwars Hillary]

38. John Edwards has contemplated it. Al Gore has contemplated it. McCain has contemplated it

Barack and Michelle have. What the hell does "contemplate" mean? It certainly has nothing to do with primaries going to June, because that is what Hillary was talking about. JUNE.

[dkf]

43. Except she hasn't been talking about dropping out in June...

has she?

[Crunchy Frog]

39. Some people just can't keep themselves away from DU, can they?

[hokies4ever]

40. Hillary apologist with a devil as an avatar

Perfectly fitting. :rofl:

[MH1]

48. Devil? I only see a tombstone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=221043

Yay mods!!

:applause:

[DeschutesRiver]

42. Length of time is not the same

as giving the reason why a campaign ended.

June would be time; assassination would a reason why. Since she was the one who brought up the reason why that one ended (death), her crap about just making a case for June is a lie. There are other things that point to this as well, but no need to go beyond the simplest explantion, which is the one she gave in her own words - she was focused on the reason Bobby's ended, which was his death and his replacement.

Not that it is important now, as this has brought an end to her campaign. Hillary will be finding out that people aren't as dumb as she has assumed, at least not in numbers high enough to help her fuel her personal dark ambitions. She is over, and I hope she leaves quickly, so as not to tarnish the chances of good women with strong character and determination of ever being taken seriously for high office. Not all women are this unfit for office - this has been about character all along.

[barack the house]

46. I agree with most of your post but Obama's campaign just said it to be inappropriate it is ...

considering Ted's condition.

[sniffa]

47. You disrupted poorly

Though I'm sure you're already back under a new account.