can anyone provide some reassuring words (& evidence) as to why this is NOT going to the convention.

[BklynChick]

please. thank you. I'm freaking terrified.

Also, is there anything we can do besides writing to SDs?

[DemVet]

1. Sorry...can't help you....it's going to the convention...along with 10,000 riot police.

[marlakay]

10. I guess that means for the first time in my life

i will either be dead or in jail. Because if it goes to denver this white 51 yr old grandma is buying a ticket to denver and going to be hand in hand with my white, aa, mexican, young, old, middle aged, educated, working, non working, online, offline, etc folks and will be screaming my bloody head off.

I have NEVER protested in my life like that before but I guess there is a time in life when one simply has to say, enough is enough! I am taking my country back by force if necessary.

I am one of those serious when i say if mccain wins we who are retired are moving abroad. that is it. my final straw. but first i will do everything in my little gramma power to make sure my grand kids have a better chance at it.

[Tatiana]

16. I will see you there!

:hi:

[Lerrad]

17. And this 50 year old grandpa will be right behind you...

With the price of gas and air fare I'm not sure if I can afford to get there, but I will walk all the way there if necessary.

[Lucky 13]

22. See you in Denver

Hey maybe we can be cell mates!

:hi:

[hokies4ever]

29. DemVet praying for a riot at a convention

Is that you Rush? If this isn't a treasonable offense on DU, then I don't know what is.

[Xipe Totec]

2. What's so bad about going to the convention?

Freaking?

Why?

[Bensthename]

4. Exactly, I mean we will still have 2 months to prepare for the gen election..

Great plan. Just because all other times this has happened the dems lost doesnt mean shit.

This election is in the bag..

[BklynChick]

5. because if this is fought for the next 3-4 months we lose in november

[Xipe Totec]

9. Bullshit

It's free advertisement for the Democratic Party.

If the decision is made before the convention, nobody will give a rat's ass about watching the convention.

[DemVet]

14. Now that is true.

Good point.

[earthlover]

24. It's free advertisement for the REPUBLICAN PARTY!

Every tidbit of Hillary's camp dismissing the qualifications of Obama as President helps the Republicans, and they don't have to pay a penny for it either!

I don't know if you have been following the news. But...hello...McCain is in the news every day. It isn't as if we would be ignored if we had a nominee (which we do have, but Clinton is making it less so).

What the public sees is McCain the nominee and the Democrats fussing over who is gonna be their nominee. McCain has free reign to make his general election message.

Fortunately, Obama is smart. he is starting to act like the nominee. Attacking McCain instead of Hillary. Doing the VP search. Presidential things.

But I fail to see just how it helps us not to be putting 100% of our attention on beating McCain instead of fussing over MI and FL and whatever are Hillary's issues of the day.

[rocktivity]

3. MI/FL will not be seated as is

Obama will have enough delegates to go to the convention as the presumptive nominee, and since not all fifty of the states had open primaries, Hillary's popular vote argument is a fantasy.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Tatiana]

6. Here you go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6068775&mesg_id=6068775

She cannot pitch this to the convention without the support of the state Dem parties. The Michigan and Florida delegations will be seated. Once the vote to seat them is ratified, the state parties will have no complaint to lodge.

[Life Long Dem]

7. Do people think

Clinton will have a party to come back to? Will we be seeing a Lieberman senate race?

What she is doing is in total disregard for the Democratic party (our own party). Now where Clinton supporters stand on this, I think they need to jump in and save the nominee from anymore damage you yourself would rather not see as a Democrat, OR you yourself 'had and have' no intention of staying with the Democratic party in the first place.

[cbayer]

8. It will go to the convention unless one of the candidates has the requisite number of votes.

That hasn't happened yet. Could happen, but hasn't.

Nothing wrong with going to the convention. I love democracy.

[ElkHunter]

26. Just one question...

Nothing wrong with going to the convention. I love democracy.

...how did all that democracy work out for the Democrats in '68 and '80? I seem to remember it having about the same effect it did for the Republicans in '76.

A convention fight is the sure road to electoral disaster in November.

[cbayer]

34. No way.

Look at how it worked out in 1932 -the last truly brokered convention. FDR walked out with the nomination and won four GE's. '68 and '80 are anomalies. The man that would have had it cinched in 1968 got assassinated in June. Teddy Kennedy did not run in 1980, he stepped in at the last minute.

In my opinion, this is good for democracy.

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. Go to the greatest page

there are many posts that took this on.

June 3rd it will be over....
Hillary can do what she wants all the way to denver
but the party says its over..... this from many top Dems.

[BklynChick]

12. thanks.

[babylonsister]

13. Supposedly Murtha? sent a letter to uncommitted SDs today,

pretty much telling them to get off the pot by June 10, one week after the last primary. Fear not, something's gonna give.

I have not found that letter, but Tweety mentioned it today.

[Lerrad]

15. It will not go to the convention...

I don't think anyone can provide hard evidence, but I can provide what I hope are reassuring words.

It appears that Obama will have this wrapped up by June. He will have enough delegates and super delegates at that time, and MI and FL won't make a difference. The delegates of MI and FL will then be seated (how I'm not sure), and it will not hurt anything, because the MI/FL delegates will not change the outcome.

P.S. Quit listening to Hillary. (She does not always tell the truth.)

[C_U_L8R]

18. Because within 60 days, the Clinton's will be filing bankruptcy

10s of millions in debt don't just sit there happily waiting to get paid off.
Some seriously pissed off creditors are gonna come after every penny they are owed.
This is not going to convention because the Clintons can't afford to be there.

[WeDidIt]

19. Hillary is insuring that Obama will lose. That's now the goal.

That way, the Clintons still retain control of the Democratic Party fpor the next four years and she plans on everybody just getting in line behind her for the 2012 nomination.

And she's probably right because everybody else will be terrified to go up against her after this shit.

As for me, it would be time to cut all ties to the Democratic Party if she accomplishes it.

[tokenlib]

20. SDs are worried about their own hides more than Hillary...

Hillary will make herself look really bad doing this--and a large number of SDs will abandon her before it gets near the convention.

Hillary is not going to lead them over the cliff too---

I hope I'm not wrong....

[2rth2pwr]

21. Why do you hate Democracy?

[TexasObserver]

23. Hillary's delegate count will peak June 3rd. Then her delegates will start moving over to Obama.

By the convention, many of Hillary's delegates will have already jumped ship. They don't want to go down with her.

[rucky]

25. No, but I don't think it'll be as bad as the group panic predicts. n/t

[Double T]

27. Be AFRAID! Be VERY AFRAID!!!

'cause THIS is going to the CO convention. WE might even end up with a brilliant, reasoned female nominee, if WE're lucky!!

[Benhurst]

30. Or a Nobel Peace Prize Winner who was elected in 2000.

I think Obama will probably get the nomination.

But neither he nor anyone else got the number of elected delegates necessary to win without being dragged over the finish line by unelected super delegates.

Nobody emerged from the primaries with the nomination in hand.

And threats from the Hillary camp to stay home if Obama is nominated are only slightly less nauseating than those from OBama's camp who threaten violence in the street.

Let the process work. And no matter who is dragged over the finish line by the super delegates, Clinton, Obama or a compromise third choice, he or she will be the legitimate nominee of the party.

Don't like the rules? Then as soon is the general election is over, win or lose, work to reform them for 2012.

[cliffordu]

36. Another woman besides Hillary is running??

[gkhouston]

28. Hillary will still be talking at the convention. The only question is whether

anyone will be listening. The SDs can vote soon and make her irrelevant, but I don't see her quitting.

[Benhurst]

31. The SDs can vote?

They can endorse a candidate, but how do they vote before the convention?

And SDs have switched from one candidate to another and there is nothing to prevent them from doing so again until their VOTES are cast in Denver.

[Johnny__Motown]

33. some SDs have swithed from Clinton to Obama, none have gone the other way. That should be a hint

[Benhurst]

35. It still doesn't mean it's settled, and it won't be until the votes are cast.

Those who have abandoned one sinking ship are all the more prone to abandon another if the going gets tough.

[Johnny__Motown]

32. Ask again June 4th.. thanks

[Cha]

37. Well, these two items made me feel better today

and I passed them on at work.

This from Gov Patterson of New York who sounds like an honest person!!..

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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Thu May-22-08 03:56 PM
Original message
NY Gov. Paterson Sees 'Desperation' By Clinton - (clinton supporter)
Paterson Sees 'Desperation' By Clinton, Disagrees On Florida And Michigan


"Gov. David Paterson, who is right now being interviewed by WAMC's Alan Chartock and taking calls from listeners on "Vox Pop," just disagreed sharply with his presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, on her last-ditch efforts to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations.

While he stressed that he continues to support Clinton and will do so until "she makes a different determination," Paterson, a superdelegate, said he doesn't believe the DNC should change the rules after the fact on Florida and Michigan and added that he's not buying her claims about leading the popular vote if the ballots cast in those states were counted.

"I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support and I'll support until whatever time she makes a different determination," Paterson said, adding: "I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning."

Paterson, who is a DNC committee member and was present at the meeting when a vote was taken to penalize Florida and Michigan for moving their respective primaries ahead of the traditional starting contests in New Hampshire and Iowa, said he thought that decision was "a little unfair" and he "didn't agree with it at the time."

But he also noted "nobody was screaming" after that decision was made, although some people were unhappy with it, adding:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6078814

And, of course, Pelosi's statement..

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beat tk (1000+ posts) Thu May-22-08 01:56 PM
Original message
Pelosi Calls For Cut In Superdelegates In 2012
Edited on Thu May-22-08 02:17 PM by beat tk
"Nancy Pelosi, who will chair the Democratic National Convention, said Thursday she thinks the party should slash the number of so-called superdelegates for the 2012 presidential race....
“I think 800 is far too many,” said Pelosi, D-Calif.

Pelosi said she opposed the idea of superdelegates when they were created some three decades ago. She also ran a losing campaign for Democratic National Committee chair two decades ago, in which abolishing superdelegates was part of her platform.

“There should be some way to have some ex-oficio delegates, some elected leaders of the state parties and the rest,” she said. “They do the work of the party between conventions, but it shouldn’t be 700, 800 people. It should be some representation of the leadership of the party and of the congressional, gubernatorial and other manifestations of the party....”

“On June 3 the math will become clear,” she said, referring to the final day of state primaries and caucuses. “And we’ll have a nominee.”

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=new...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6077261

[Benhurst]

38. Good for Pelosi's wanting to abolish the super delegates.

I never liked the concept myself.

But unfortunately they weren't.

And how like her to advocate, in essence, just pretending they were.

It's like her DUTY under the Constitution to impeach a war criminal whose actions stripped Americans of their rights and murdered hundreds of thousands of people. Impeachment? What impeachment? It's off the table, just like honor and duty.

Now it's the vote on the convention floor. What vote? Let's just go ahead and finish this up as soon as possible. What are rules anyway? They're just like all those silly laws and the Constitution.

I think Obama will probably be voted in with the help of the super delegates at the convention and be our nominee.

But why not wait until he is?

The present rules suck. But they are the rules.

I guess to Nancy, they are like the Constitution. They only apply when convenient.