...Then I Guess I'm A Hater

[berni_mccoy]

If exposing Hillary's racially divisive tactics makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If showing the miserable failure of her campaign in all it's folly makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If speaking the truth that Hillary can't win makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If listing the ways that Hillary is trying to divide the party for no good reason but her own ambition makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If calling out the errors in her supporters defensive arguments makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If TYPING IN ALL CAPS WHEN I SAY GOBAMA makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.

But just because you call me a hater doesn't make me a hater.

I am disappointed, disgusted and dismayed by Hillary's campaign and her supporters who would vote for McCain over Obama in the General Election. But that does not make me a hater, even if you call me one.

[MadMaddie]

1. berni_mccoy....sometimes people can't handle the facts.....

everything you have said is true...

wait for clarification....You are not a hater...just a speaker of truths

[papau]

17. Sorry - Bernie - is right - he and U are haters -and beyond that folks that believe falsehoods about

Hillary.

[dionysus]

32. bill is that you?

[berni_mccoy]

39. Coming from the biggest Hate-Projector of all.

Thanks for proving my point.

[tbyg52]

61. It's the *truth* about Hillary that I have a problem with.

I'm curious - exactly what "falsehoods" are you referring to?

[housewolf]

2. Hear!!! Hear!!! Right on berni_mccoy!

You said it! Kudos to you for saying so!

:toast:

[LakeSamish706]

3. Not a laughing matter and not trying in any way to blow my own horn....

But shit, I have felt this way along time before it was cool to do so..... I have hated her for probably 6 or more months now and have been consistent in my posts to that effect... Understanding of course that the Hillary supporters are not happy with this, it's just a fact of life.

[Bensthename]

7. I bet I could beat you

in a competition on who um, dislikes yah that's it, Hillary the most. I have been anti Clinton since the late 20th century.. Back then people were starting to see the reasons for it but had not quite accepted it yet.. But now it is the cool thing to think and every one is doing.. It just doesn't seem as fun any more with the millions starting to copy...:shrug:

[LakeSamish706]

9. Lol.. You win, but I am right there with ya... Now lets work at getting these shit heads...

the hell out of this party so we can be great again.... Let them separate and form there own DLC party (an off shoot of the Republican party) and take there Blue Dog Dems with them...

[Bensthename]

11. Right on.. Being nice is overrated right now.

Hillary and groupies are doing their damnedest to give this to McCain..
It aint gonna happen..

[AZBlue]

18. Screw nice.

The gloves are off, this is war.

[izquierdista]

14. Bill started to irk me in January of '93

Although FAR better than any Republican alive, the Clintons have been one disappointment after another. From flubbing health care to the compromise of "don't ask, don't tell", through NAFTA and welfare reform, and on and on, there is not one expectation that they have not repeatedly lowered and lowered until is is only marginally better than the Republican position.

Of course, Bill did manage to balance the budget, and that was a BIG accomplishment. Accomplishment until you remember that until Nixon, it was common practice to submit a balanced budget, even during small wars.


They must think the sun shines out of your arse, Hillary.

[crim son]

4. There cannot be any DUers who would vote for McCain

instead of Obama. This is a site for Democrats, not fools.

[cbayer]

5. You even hold a position of power in that group.

Congratulations.

[berni_mccoy]

34. WTF? Position of Power? WTF?

:freak:

[CoffeeCat]

6. Calling out injustice and being outraged...

...by unfair, perverse and manipulative political tactics---is decent and just.

When you do these things, it's usually the Republicans who throw out the old, "Oh, you're
just bitter and angry" line.

They do this to control criticism against their evil. They do it to blame the victim
and to take the spotlight from their own failings--and turn it back on the person
who courageously takes them to task.

Are we really that surprised that Hillary and her lemmings use this page from the Republican
playbook?

I bet Rove really taught her extra lessons on this tactic!

[dsomuah]

8. Stop this NOW!!! and BTW Obama 2008!!!

I get why Hillary's tactics have infuriated so many people but let me suggest something. We have won.

Even with divisive tactics, the support of the party establishment, her personal attacks, and her screaming sexism at the end, she still lost.

So can we at least be gracious in victory?

Because if we stoop to their level we are just as bad as them.

Hillary supporters are screaming that they will vote McCain in the general election but even that isn't working. The polls are still projecting that Obama would win if the election were held today.

So let's move on please, this sort of bitterness doesn't help the healing process, you want Obama to win right? Let's start taking the higher road now. We have a lot of work to do to win this election. If you haven't done so already, visit BarackObama.com and register to find out how you can help. And if you can spare the money, donate a couple of dollars.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. The true American hero is in your avatar; the true hater is Hillary Clinton...

her surrogates and her supporters who care much more about their self interests than what is good for the party and the country!

[berni_mccoy]

12. Conyers is one of the greatest.

Thanks. And yes, the hate is coming from somewhere, but it's not from Obama.

[highplainsdem]

13. There are far too many haters here among Obama supporters, and I'm saddened

to see Democrats showing so much pride in hatred.

Not all Obama supporters revel in hatred -- I believe the majority of his supporters are good people, rational people -- but some clearly enjoy hating Clinton, and it's disturbing to see it.

It's reminiscent of what Eric Hoffer had to say about the psychology of mass movements:


When we lose our individual independence in the incorporateness of a mass movement, we find a new freedom—freedom to hate, bully, lie, torture, murder and betray without shame and remorse.


The targeting of Hillary Clinton matches what Hoffer said about the need of a fanatic group to have a common foe, a "devil," with the hatred becoming a habit.

I have not seen similar hatred here of Obama among Hillary's supporters. They're not in love with him, but they don't hate him.

But in the messages about Hillary Clinton, we sometimes see even more virulent hatred than I can recall seeing expressed here toward Bush and Cheney.

And why? Because she's continuing her campaign, which is her right. Just as it was Teddy Kennedy's right in 1980.

But because you feel she threatens the leader of your mass movement, I've seen messages posted here by people saying a stake should be driven through her heart, or maybe it would take a silver bullet to finish her off. I saw her called a piece of shit in a pantsuit. I saw one paranoid message after another from people suggesting that if she were the VP, Obama would have to fear for his life.

I have never seen such insane hatred directed at any Democratic candidate by other Democrats.

I'm stunned and dismayed to see it here.

And I've been trying to understand what was going on...and then I remembered what Eric Hoffer wrote about true believers in mass movements.

Which, sadly, explains entirely too much.

I don't hate Obama and never will, no matter how disgusted I am by what many of his supporters here post. I'm not particularly impressed by him, but I don't hate him.

I wish more of you who claim to admire him would pay attention to his praise of Hillary Clinton and his request that you treat her supporters better.

Because I believe we will need a unity ticket to win.

At the very least, Obama is going to need the backing of Clinton and her supporters.

And all too many of you have worked yourself up into such an insane hatred of Clinton that I don't know how you're going to cope with the reality that this is a primary race -- not a holy way against Hillary Clinton -- and that without her help and her supporters' help, you won't win in November.

Honestly, some of you sound as though you'd be happy to lose in November, if you thought you could just get away with a mob attack on Hillary, and then dancing around bonfires waving pitchforks to celebrate your victory.

Berni, I haven't paid enough attention to your individual messages to know if you've been participating in what appears to be a continual verbal lynching of Clinton here.

So this is not directed at you in particular.

This is about the viciousness of many of the anti-Clinton messages posted here, and the joy many Obama supporters show expressing that hatred.

[emilyg]

22. Thank you.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

29. If we're haters, Hillary Clinton and her supporters have made us that way...

With her deceit, race and gender-baiting. She has done this to us, so your reverse psychology tactics won't work. No one is to blame but Hillary Rodham Clinton, her husband, their surrogates, and their enabling supporters who are so enamored with her that they closed their eyes to the truth that she is destroying the Democratic party.

[seaglass]

35. Have some integrity and take responsibility for your own words and actions. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

36. Stop projecting Hate where there is none.

[seaglass]

53. What the hell are you talking about? n/t

[haymakeragain]

58. We don't hate Hillary. Her campaign has a lot of people angry though.

That's what we are talking about.

[emilyg]

67. You are hate.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

76. I have much more integrity that your Queen who has none. n/t

[seaglass]

78. Ha! I don't have a queen nor a presidential candidate. I also

don't blame other people for the words that come out of my mouth.

[Phillycat]

38. "She asked for it!"

[emilyg]

66. You own your hatred. You create it - live with it.

[Phillycat]

37. What an excellent post. This should be its own thread.

[haymakeragain]

57. The Victim card.

It couldn't possibly be that Hillary's tactics have some people really pissed off could it?

[ladeyday]

15. Nothing happens over night

At first, Bill made me angry with his SC remarks. Then, her decline with me started when she said "He's not a Muslim, that I know of", & then the 3 AM ad, the scolding,the complaints about the 1st debate question, the reference to SNL (how high brow of her, the McCain being better bit. But the icing was when she told me that she could get my African American vote whenever she wanted it but that the only hard working Americans were white. And when she never apologized (only said she regretted saying it ), that doubled it. I would have had to really search my soul not only to have voted for her, but if she snatches the nomination now, I REALLY don't know, cause She will REALLY be on my sh-t list.........

[hermitcrab]

75. "He's not a Muslim, that I know of",

Dear Baracktards:

Wallow in your Hillary-Hate all you want, and God knows you have flogged the "that I know of" line ad naseum, but when you change it, distort it, and then PUT IT IN QUOTES as if that was what Clinton actually said, you have completely left the orbit of rational behavior.

I cannot respect Obama because of his supporters. If you are that defective, there must be something wrong with him.

[QC]

16. Yes, you are one of the leading haters on this site.

I cannot recall ever having seen you post something positive, in fact. You are one of the four or five most relentlessly negative posters I have seen in seven years on this site. I don't know how someone can maintain that kind of rage day in and day out, and I cannot fathom why anyone would be so proud of it.

But you clearly are proud of your status as a hater, so I lift my glass to you. Cheers! You truly have succeeded at something that is clearly important to you, and that does deserve some recognition.

[ruggerson]

19. lol

:thumbsup:

[berni_mccoy]

20. You really see what you want to see then

All of these posts of mine are favorable toward Clinton or Democrats in General. But all you will see is hate.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/335

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/320

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/314

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/307

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/283

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/266

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/221

[golddigger]

27. Right ON QC.

:thumbsup: :hi:

[berni_mccoy]

28. You are completely blind

[Phillycat]

40. No shit.

It's like they don't even see what nasty pieces of work they are, and then they're all wounded when someone points it out.

[berni_mccoy]

41. Keep projecting the hate. It will do you no good.

[ProSense]

43. And you are the cheerleader of whining.

Some people continue to equate criticism with hate, and even more bizarre, are taking it to the point where their notion manifests as hate directed at the critic. There are some who claim that criticism can become excessive and could turn off Hillary supporters, yet Hillary continues her divisive tactics, escalating her defiance. The notion is that no one should criticize Hillary for fear of angering her supporters. So let's see:

Hillary is stirring up anger directed at Obama among her supporters, but her critics primary concern should be to appease her supporters by not criticizing her.

Why should anyone be concerned that a Hillary supporter doesn't like an Obama supporter? This is about the candidates, not you or me. It's about their actions and words.

[QC]

49. Shouldn't you be out frantically bumping all your dead threads? n/t

[ProSense]

52. That bothers you? n/t

[cloudythescribbler]

21. If arguing for a VP nominee OTHER than HRC makes one a hater, then I suppose I'd count as one ...

but I DO think that unnecessary even if true attacks on her and her campaign at this point don't help Obama. It IS however important that Obama pick the strongest possible VP nominee both for the presidency and for Nov. For this, I say a woman (preferably Sen Boxer, IMHO), or at least a strong candidate who never supported the Iraq War Resolution, and NOT HILLARY in any case. It is possible HRC might both desire and be able to force herself as the VP nominee, which could be just the tipping point to elect McCain with his hawk agenda.

(I want to say frankly that, for a Repug prez candidate, McCain is about as honorable as any we've had since Goldwater and Eisenhower, but his politics are still awful, and way oversold as "maverick")

[berni_mccoy]

26. It's funny you say that. Every time I think there is an opportunity for HRC to bow out gracefully

or with a shred of dignity, her supporters flood this site and say how evil Obama supporters are.

Then HRC doesn't do the right thing and it starts all over again.

It's very difficult to ignore her fanatics when they flood this site with ridiculous posts attacking Obama, with....well hate.

[cloudythescribbler]

30. .... gee you noticed!

[cloudythescribbler]

31. .... gee you noticed!

[berni_mccoy]

42. Now I noticed twice!

;-)

[gateley]

23. EXCELLENT, berni - Well done!

Thanks and a big rec!

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

[Carolina]

24. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!

[gmudem]

25. Kick!

Clinton supporters just can't deal with reality, and that's all there is to it.

[berni_mccoy]

33. The truth is sometimes hard to take,... but that doesn't explain the hanger-oners that remain...

[MyNameGoesHere]

44. yeah all 16 million of the counted voters and another million not counted are insane. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

45. All 17 million think Obama supporters are HATERS? Wow. And the 17.5 Million who voted for Obama?

Are they Haters too?

[MyNameGoesHere]

62. You are the only one that confessed to being a hater. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

68. Confessed? Do you know what reading comprehen... oh, never mind.

[MyNameGoesHere]

79. A confession

If exposing Hillary's racially divisive tactics makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If showing the miserable failure of her campaign in all it's folly makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If speaking the truth that Hillary can't win makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If listing the ways that Hillary is trying to divide the party for no good reason but her own ambition makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If calling out the errors in her supporters defensive arguments makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.
If TYPING IN ALL CAPS WHEN I SAY GOBAMA makes me a Hillary Hater, then I guess I'm a Hater.

[akbacchus_BC]

77. Berni did not confess to being a Hilary-hater. Sheesh, he/she was

just making a point. Is that so hard to understand?

[MyNameGoesHere]

80. Oh no not by any

stretch. The only vile and absolute distasteful Obama supporters are right here on DU. You see I like the man, not my candidate, but his supporters here can go pack sand.

[NanceGreggs]

46. Oh, yeah!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick: and REC'D!!!

[berni_mccoy]

48. I've seen them call you a Hater too Nance. It's damn disgraceful. Here are the well-known haters

Howard Dean
Keith Olberman
Rachel Maddow
Chuck Todd
Jon Stewart
...
many many more

We are in good company

[NanceGreggs]

50. Just wonderin' ...

After the Clintons' remarks in FL yesterday, is the entire Democratic Party now "dead to them", too?

:shrug:

[berni_mccoy]

51. LOL! It's looking that way.

I think Clinton truly underestimated the reaction she would get for her statements.

It definitely was a gambit... but she's going to pay a very expensive price for it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. "Thou shalt not question the antics of political hacks." It's in the Bible.

At least that's what some here seem to believe when their candidates motives, policies, votes, or idiotic remarks, i.e. "we will obliterate Iran", are questioned.

[apocalypsehow]

54. K & R.

:thumbsup:

[AtomicKitten]

55. K&R

:thumbsup:

[berni_mccoy]

56. I heart AtomicKitty!

Thanks for the rec.

[AtomicKitten]

60. back at ya

[zulchzulu]

59. H.A.T.E.R. = Hillary's Appalling Terrible Egocentric Rook n/t

[Pisces]

63. Me too.

[ronnykmarshall]

64. Nawwww!

You're not a hater.

You just need Brownie Points from Camp O for starting yet another thread to keep the anti-Hillary threads going.

Pat yourself on the back, sweetie!

[mmonk]

65. Yep.

I'm just mad as hell sometimes. Quite different. Hate is longer lasting.

[juno jones]

69. K&R!

Hillary's antics have not gone unnoticed in the outside world. Given enough of this, she will make herself irrelavant.

[raystorm7]

70. I don't quite hate Hillary but I sure do FEAR HER more!!!

[Rene]

71. Grow up....and read www.attacktimeline.com to learn who is the real

race-baiter....obama

[Ichingcarpenter]

72. Kick........ I hate hypocrisy, lies and cheaters ....if that makes me a hater

So be it!


Hillary is a formidable opponent, I said early, I would use all my
tools to defeat her and that fight is coming to an end.

[Swamp Rat]

73. I HATE YOU!

:hug: :loveya:

[berni_mccoy]

74. I Hate You Two Brother!

:hug::loveya:

Awesome graphic! I'm an Adult Swim Fan Too!

[AlCzervik]

81. After today---i am a hater. I'm disgusted and horrified and sad.