"I am woman, hear me roar"

[AZBlue]

And roaring I am this evening. I am ANGRY.

Those lyrics by Helen Reddy were an “enduring anthem for the women’s liberation movement.” They keep running through my mind this evening while I simmer over the latest propaganda from the Clinton campaign. Apparently, because Hillary Clinton and I both have XX chromosomes, I’m supposed to vote for her. Only for that reason, no other. I’m not supposed to use my intellect, my opinions, my values, or my goals in making my decision. Nope, I’m just supposed to fall in line, march-step with the other ladies of the US and vote for Clinton.

So, basically, as a woman, I’m not to be trusted with making my own decision, I just have to vote by gender?

It’s odd to me that this is the current line of thinking. Because I’m pretty sure that Alice Paul didn’t go on hunger strikes and sit in prison so I could place my vote without any thought put into it. And I really thought that Lucy Burns and many other women picketed the Wilson White House to prove that women were equal in intelligence to men and therefore should be given the right to vote for whomever they chose – but apparently I was mistaken.

Some say my stance on this issue is against feminism. I don’t see how it is – actually, to me the process of being an independent woman who has researched and listened to each of the delegates and came to my own conclusion on who to support, a conclusion I know is right, seems to me to be the epitome of feminism. As Elizabeth Cady Stanton said, “The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.” And I know the truth in this primary, even if Senator Clinton doesn’t. I know who this country needs and what this country can be again with the right leader. I know who to support and I didn’t need help from anyone figuring that out.

I would love to see a woman in the White House – and I think I will in my lifetime. But, she will be the first woman in the White House because she is honest, intelligent, real, diplomatic, and respected, just to list a few attributes. She will not be there just because she is a woman, just to prove a point, just because “it’s time.” It’s not anyone’s time unless they are the right candidate and Senator Clinton has clearly shown time and again how wrong she is for the job. Yes, women are just as capable as men at being President – but just like not all men should hold the office (current President included), not all women should hold the office either. No man should be President just because he’s a man and no woman should be President just because she’s a woman.

Now, for those of you out there who still support Clinton, fine, I’m not here to convince you otherwise (at least not in this thread, LOL). What I’m here to tell you is this: do NOT tell me I must vote for someone just because they share my gender. Because guess what – that’s sexism too. And I won’t stand for sexism, not matter what form it takes or from what direction it comes.

I thank and admire Paul, Susan B. Anthony, Stanton, Burns, Mary Wollstonecraft, Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Eleanor Roosevelt, and the hundreds of thousands of other women who came before me and paved the road for me. I thank them for fighting for the right for me to learn to read so I could make my own decision. I thank them for fighting for the right for me to vote so I could express that decision in this democracy. And I thank them for believing in me and every other woman so much that they didn’t tell us how to vote or how to choose a candidate – they knew we could do that for ourselves. Not only are we able to do that for ourselves, we should be allowed to do that for ourselves. And I’m not going to allow anyone to take that away from me, not even by trying to “shame” me into a vote for their candidate.

Oh, and Helen Reddy? “Apparently, she sent an e-mail to the Clinton campaign early on offering her involvement. The ‘enthusiastic’ response: ’I got a form letter back asking me for a contribution.’"

Yeah, now I KNOW I made the right decision.
And all on my little female own, imagine that!

[Kierkegaard]

1. Bravo! Nicely said.

:applause:

[saged52]

2. Well stated -

and thank you for speaking up for this 56 year old female who is savvy enough to do her own research and make her own decision - all on my own I voted for Obama!

[QC]

3. I am woman, hear me bore.... n/t

[Lisa0825]

5. How very petty of you.

:eyes:

[TBF]

8. That was rude (and it takes alot on DU to get that stature). Congratulations.

[QC]

10. Sorry, but it was the same thing that's been posted daily here

since back before the Iowa Caucuses. Every day, six or eight more self-righteous declarations of how wonderfully brave and principled someone is for supporting a candidate in the face of some unnamed opposition somewhere. All that self-congratulation gets old after a while.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

16. Unnamed opposition? Did you miss the huge flaming thread threatening the Dems of a backlash by all

women?

You don't even have to click elsewhere, see below.

[AZBlue]

20. I named the opposition, it's all over this board tonight. And I'm not congratulating myself or

anyone else for supporting Obama - I'm telling Clinton and her minions to back off on telling me the lie that I'm not a feminist if I don't support her.

(BTW, if you need proof of this other than DU, click on the second link in the OP)

[Barrymores Ghost]

67. You don't get around much, do you?

Or pay that much attention, either, apparently.

Good luck.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

15. Self delete, responded to wrong poster.

[RainDog]

4. k&r - even tho I hate that song! :)

[AZBlue]

7. How do you think I feel, with it running through my head all night????

AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!
:D

[DS1]

6. Roar, you did!

[WA98296]

9. Great post AZBlue!

[bain_sidhe]

11. I tried to keep my emotions (and chromosomes) out of it

and came to the very analytical conclusion that Obama would be the better nominee in this election.

But in my heart...

Well, as I said in a thread yesterday, somewhere in a corner of my soul, a pair of X chromosomes are sobbing their little hearts out over the loss of the chance to see a woman elected President.

[AZBlue]

13. I decided not to support Clinton in spite of her gender.

I know what you mean - but we had to go with what was right. And I do feel that Clinton has helped pave the way for future female candidates - and for that I am grateful.

[bain_sidhe]

29. "helped pave the way for future female candidates"

I'm of two minds about that. On my good days, I think so too. On my bad days, I think that the only reason the press didn't marginalize her like they have every other candidate is because they *couldn't* ignore her, given her ...um, unique advantages... and that when the next woman candidate comes along, they'll revert to the "norm."

At any rate, my decision was way colder than the way I usually make such decisions, because I think it's absolutely critical that we get the Pubs out of the executive branch before they can complete their destruction of our country.

I still think that Clinton would make a great President. But, even though the playing field looks good for Dems this year, I know that either one of them could lose. (For different reasons, but still... lose.) I decided Obama would be the better nominee because IF he wins, the WAY he wins could truly re-align the country, in a way that a Clinton win wouldn't. Clinton would basically win with the same game-plan we've been using for 20 years (the "Kerry states" + 1), and that's too shaky a basis for making long-term progressive advances.

Obama could lose... but if he wins, I think it'll be a broader win AND will have more potential for future wins (the young voters, especially).

Anyway. That's my analysis. Hope I'm right, 'cause if I'm wrong we're all screwn.

[Douglas Carpenter]

12. I hear your roar!! Great Post!

[Name removed]

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[AZBlue]

18. What on earth are you talking about? How am I a "liar"?

Obama may be much hated in your circle of friends, but for the rest of us that's not really true. And, yes, I'm aware Clinton won this state, but thanks for the 3-month old news.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

53. Bullshit. You DO NOT speak for all of Arizona.

[muryan]

86. Well take solace that your favorite politician is running too

good ole arizona guy can smack around that stupid muslim right?

[jbm]

88. or maybe not roaring at all..like quietly sitting this one out..

In my county, the men do many things once the initial groundwork is laid, but the women initiate the fundraisers, arrange for the headquarters, organize the phonebanks, the canvasses, and all the little details that give the Democrats a presence. We've decided to take this year off, and so far no one has made any move to cover for us.

[newmajority]

91. What do you have against Tucson?

Sun Valley?? God, you mean the meme about Hillary's base all being old white women is true?

Sun Valley - median age = 85 Average speed on city streets = 15 MPH :rofl:

[Diane R]

17. I'm roaring, too, and that song is on my IPod. We didn't fight for Hillary to whine & stomp her feet

[AZBlue]

19. Exactly.

That only weakens feminism.

[TBF]

21. AZblue, this is nothing new from Hillary Rodham Clinton -

Back in the early 90's she went off on the right wing by saying "I guess I could've stayed home and baked cookies..." in reference to her choice of working rather than being a stay-at-home wife and mother. The thing that was wrong about that from a feminist perspective is that she put down all the talented women who do make a choice to stay home with their children, and all the women who have no choice at all due to economic realities.

I've always felt that the importance of the feminist movement is to challenge the status quo in order to open up more opportunities and choices for women. If you truly are interested in doing this you cannot make value judgments about which opportunities and choices are the most important, nor can you dictate how women should respond. Hillary is doing the same thing now that she did in the early 90's. She's making judgments and telling people what to do because she thinks she knows best. It is no less sexist when she does it then when John McCain does. Unfortunately for you, Hillary, you are not the boss of me. It will be MY decision whether I vote for you or another candidate, regardless of gender. I take my opportunities and choices seriously.

I'm proud to be a feminist, proud to have earned a master's degree when I was younger, and delighted that I have the opportunity to stay home with my 2 small children. I'm not much good at baking cookies, but I did take them with me when I voted for Barack Obama here in Texas. I hope my daughter grows up to be a feminist too - one who respects other women and trusts them to make their own decisions.

[AZBlue]

23. Excellent point!

That quote of hers always bothered me too. The point of the feminist movement was to give women the opportunity to be anything they wanted to be and not fit into stereotypes and molds. If they want to be CEO, they should be CEO. And if they want to stay home and bake cookies, they should bake away!

So tell me - are your children old enough to have gone to the rally with you? When I went to the rally here in Phoenix I was so glad to see parents who brought their tweens and teenagers - what a great experience for a child!

[TBF]

25. Nope - mine are both under 5. But we have a big poster of Obama on the wall

in our family room and we try to explain about elections and why we want Mr. Obama to be in charge of the country. :)

A cute story is that my little girl will turn 5 soon, and after seeing sharks at the Baltimore Aquarium last fall she very much wanted a "shark" birthday party as opposed to Dora, ballet, etc... So I ordered her little blue shark invitations, pinata, and all the rest of the birthday gear. I'm not sure what the other parents will think here in Texas, but she is happy as a clam that she is getting the theme she wants.

[AZBlue]

28. That's awesome!

You may have a little marine biologist on your hands there! :D

[a la izquierda]

39. aaaahh, refreshing to hear that little girls can...

still be "tomboys". hope you don't take offense to that, but your daughter reminds me of myself when i was 5. dolls sucked to me when i was a little girl. sports, dinosaurs and animals were what made me happy (pretty much still do-despite my husbands attempts to make me wear skirts sometimes).
i hope when i have kids, if i have a daughter, she's the same way i was. i think i'll die if i give birth to a ballerina. :)

[TBF]

41. I was pretty middle of the road - I liked my dolls but I also spent alot of times with my

animals and doing sports. But this little girl got mad when I signed her up for "dance fun" class and insisted she wanted "sports fun" with the boys. So I switched her. My puzzled husband shakes his head, but I think he is secretly thrilled to have a little girl who is excited to watch football games with him and can throw a ball "like a boy". Heh. I could care less as long as she is happy (and votes dem when she is big!) :)

[SeattleGirl]

22. Well said, AZBlue

That's exactly how I feel. I've always gotten angry if someone (usually male) told me I couldn't do something because I'm female (and I'm old enough to have heard that a lot in my younger days), and I feel angry right now when I hear women saying that women who don't vote for Clinton are traitors, sexists, etc. How dare they?

All the women who came before me fought for the rights I have now, including the right to have my voice heard. And the right to make up my own mind. They do NOT have a right to tell me that I have to vote for a candidate simply because she's female. As you said, it's sexism too.

Well done!

[AZBlue]

24. Thanks!

That's how I'm feeling too: "How dare they?"

[Cha]

26. Women Schmen..

hilary would give them a bad name if I thought like that. But, she just gives herself a bad name.

[Pisces]

27. Go Blue!! Another woman here choosing the right candidate not the body part!!!

[Darth_Kitten]

76. A woman here who doesn't make her decision based on who is the "popular" candidate.....

OOOO, look at ME, I'm voting with my brain not my vagina. :sarcasm:

[Seabiscuit]

30. And because my skin pigmentation is dark I'm supposed to vote for Obama?

Get a fuckin' life.

[AZBlue]

54. Where did I say that?

Seems you're the one without a "fuckin' life"

[MessiahRp]

57. Don't worry about Seabiscuit

Remember this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5847583

Credibility killer.

Rp

[AZBlue]

65. Oh my gosh, I'd forgotten that!

Thanks!! :hi:

[BlooInBloo]

92. That wins Best Thread Of GDP 2008 - easy!

[Barrymores Ghost]

68. Great call on Indiana, there, Champ!

I see you're still as prone to being pre-emptively stoopid as ever.

[papapi]

31. Well said! Your roar has drowned out the lemmings.

[AtomicKitten]

32. Brava, AZBlue! Your roar rocked the house.

:hi:

[NanceGreggs]

33. Could I just sneak in here to say ...

:toast: :bounce: :thumbsup: :hi: :kick: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :headbang: :woohoo: :applause: and :patriot: ?

[Raster]

34. You GO Girlfriend!

Wake up America!:kick:

[Eric Condon]

35. As but a humble male, here's my take on it

I keep hearing all this talk about how "it's time for a woman in the White House." I find this to be a fundamentally sexist notion, and NOT because I'm going to be a dumbass and claim some sort of "reverse sexism." No, to me, the notion that "we need a woman president" is sexist in the classic sense, because it's predicated on the idea that a female presidency would be so much different than a male presidency. This EXACT SAME logic could be used by sexists to claim that we "shouldn't" have a female president - because they would govern "differently."

I do believe there is a certain group of people who WOULD govern differently from others, however - they're called progressives, and Barack Obama is one of them. That's why he has my vote.

[a la izquierda]

40. this is exactly what my husband says...

you say it more eloquently, and without exasperated F words.

[TBF]

42. My husband was a big Bill Clinton fan and I kept telling him Barack was the better

candidate. Then he heard Hillary say that the superdelegates would "do the right thing for the party" and he went ballistic. Thankfully he heard that before the TX primary so his vote went to Barack. Now with her continued shenanigans he mocks her daily.

[a la izquierda]

43. My husband was an avowed moderate when we started...

dating. He voted for Perot against Clinton (didn't vote in 2000 because we had just moved to California and didn't switch in time), supported the war in Iraq, tortured me by watching O'Liely on a nightly basis.

He's now an avowed Obama supporter, has moved to the left (not so far as me, but we're getting there) and would certainly vote for a woman if he liked the candidate. He hates the Clinton "pointing"-you know what I mean.

Where are you in Texas? We're up in Norman, OK.

[TBF]

44. e're in the Houston suburbs - Ron Paul country. It is scary! But I did volunteer to be a

precinct captain for Obama and found out that I do have a few neighbors that are dems! So, all is not lost. I still don't expect Texas to turn blue in November, but if we can find a VP that Hispanic Americans feel comfortable with we'd have a better chance. I'm hoping for Bill Richardson, or that he at least has a big role in Texas in the fall. I <3 him.

[KarenS]

36. ThankYou and Well Said!!

:applause:

this from a 58 yo white woman without a college degree,,,, imagine that!! :eyes:

[AZBlue]

55. I'm a 42 yr old white woman

without a college degree who doesn't drink cafe lattes because I can't afford them!
Who knew? :D

[WillyT]

37. Bravo !!! - K & R !!!

:applause::yourock::applause:

:hi:

[me b zola]

38. I'm roaring angry, too

Nominated. :kick:

[yui]

45. Thank you!

Perfectly said.

[demokatgurrl]

46. Thank you from a middle aged, but educated, white lady. nt

[sybylla]

47. k & r for a great roar

Many of us have been saying this for months now, but you've said it best. Sooner or later, it's got to sink in.

[NikolaC]

48. Hear Hear!

As a woman, my first choice candidate was Kucinich. It would have been Hillary, but over the years her voting record in support of and hawkish stance on Bush's most destructive policies turned me off. I don't know what the heck happened to this woman whom I voted for and used to admire, it really saddens me. Her campaign was run poorly and divisively and I cannot get behind that. My not wanting to vote for Hillary again has nothing to do with her sex, it has to do with the candidate's shortcomings in my opinion. I too am tired of being told that as a woman I should vote for her, or as a black woman I should vote for Barack.

That is the kind of thinking that helped to get us crap for eight years because he was just a "good ole boy who you would want to have drinks with, one of us!". I never bought into that line of shit and could not see why people were so foolish as to believe that he was just an average guy and one of them. He always struck me as being and obnoxious asshole and a bully. I wasn't foolish then and I am not now. Stop telling me to vote for someone just because she/he is like me. I need a solid reason to vote for them. I will decide whom I will vote for and when. Of all of the women to look up to and admire in this world, Hillary (in my opinion anyway) is no longer one of them. She lost that right with her destructive, divisive and race baiting campaign.

[The Doctor.]

49. So beautifully put. I'm so sick of the people, especially the women

who are acting like spoiled little children if they don't get their way.

I just don't understand how regressive behavior could ever be considered 'feminist'. In fact, I think it's an insult to women to behave like that and claim to be on the side of women's liberation.

[Ragheed]

50. Wow...it's palpable, the sense of entitlement

among Hillary and some of her supporters. A couple of lowlights from the email quoted by the SFGate link you provided.

"White and black women together women comprise more than 50 percent of the electorate and if we were fully committed to a single candidate, we could determine the outcome of any office in the country. It is our turn. Are we ready?"

Translation: We have to make sure we elect someone of our gender, regardless of the candidates' merits. (or lack thereof, in Hillary's case)

"I will not vote for Barack Obama. I will not stay home. I will go to the polls and proudly write on my ballot, HILLARY CLINTON. I want the DNC to count my vote as a protest vote. I want them to know I am tired of being a second-class citizen in my own country. This isn't about Barack Obama or John McCain. This isn't about Iraq or Iran. This is about a war, a war for our voice, our dignity, and our selves...I hope you will join me."

Translation: We don't care if an insane man becomes our next president, or if the Middle East, and by extension, the world goes up in flames. We're going to throw a tantrum because our candidate, even after cheating and fighting dirty, wasn't able to muster a win.

These kinds of Hillary supporters are not not serving women's interests.

[AZBlue]

56. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

And the idea that they will vote for McCain is insane - feminists want to support a man who will overturn Roe v. Wade instead of a man who will respect and further women's rights?!?!? HUH??

[Ragheed]

60. Thanks AZBlue!

I've been reading DU fairly regularly since '03 or '04, but just decided to sign up yesterday. :)

When I said that temper tantrums don't advance women's interests, I meant that they reinforce certain stereotypes, and if this behavior leads to the disastrous outcome of McCain becoming president, then some people will see it as a reason to not vote for a woman next time around.

Had Hillary been eliminated as early as Carol Moseley Braun was last time, we probably wouldn't be seeing so much emotion behind her failed candidacy.

Hopefully, it's all primary campaign tough talk. The closer we get to the end, the more people say they won't vote for the other candidate if they win. So how much of it is genuine dislike of Obama, rather than irrational and unrealistic support for Clinton?

[Mimosa]

59. ...women who are acting like spoiled little children if they don't get their way.

Dr_eldritch I agree with you.

AZ, this is a kickass thread.

[Darth_Kitten]

77. Funny, a lot of people are sick and tired of the Obamabots......

whining about all the big, old nasty bitter women taking away all their fun!!! :sarcasm: Why won't the old witches fall in line? :eyes:

[The Doctor.]

96. Fun? You think it's 'FUN' to have to deal with the spoiled little brats like you?

One more time; ANYONE who will put the future of the nation and the rights of OTHER WOMEN in jeopardy because they will refuse to support the Democratic candidate out of a misplaced sense of selfish indignation is being a selfish, stupid, spoiled, rotten little brat.

Now, if you're going to decide that you will let McCain win just because I called shitheads that would let McCain win 'Selfish little children', then you are the selfish little child I'm talking about. If you're an adult who will do what is right for the nation and for women regardless of who the Democratic nominee is, then you should also be pissed off at all the stupid, spoiled little shitheads who are actually threatening the women of this nation with a McCain Presidency just because they want to be outraged over what someone (who may or may not have actually been an Obama supporter) said on the internet or in the media. For Christ's sake, why are people so gullible?

So, are you an adult, or are you one of the children?

Don't fuck around, answer the question. If you can't answer, then we know damn well that you're a child.

[LucyParsons]

51. "If voting really changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

-Emma Goldman

[Lilith Velkor]

93. Mmm hmm.

I used to spraypaint that quote on walls.

[LucyParsons]

52. dupe

self-delete

[AZBlue]

58. THANK YOU to everyone for their kind words and their K&R's!

:toast:

[happygoluckytoyou]

61. amelia erhart - first person blah blah blah without benefit of a penis

i know you can use them to find water...
and they make it handy to pee standing up...

but unless the president of the united states is in iraq looking for water, and does not have time to sit down for a pee......
......the presence or absence of one should never be a criteria
for voting

..........................by the way... neither should be the presence of absence of coloring
..........................or a foreskin

oddly we as a people can't figure out that it is partly brain power... partly compassion...
a MIX... some creativity... a certain amount of open-mindedness... a bit of stubbornness...

THE WORSE MY EYESIGHT GETS, THE MORE PEOPLE I CAN JUDGE FAIRLY

i wanted edwards to win... i like the possible FIRST LADY more... and his family roots are strong

i don't agree with him on everything... i am a bit more pro-gay... a bit less gun-averse
BUT i agree 92.6%

NO EDWARDS..... SAD ME.....

Obama was my next choice (of the remaining 2). Sorry Hillary... you were a close 3rd but I liked Obama's message of hope. I know he is dreaming, in some cases--- but he is also very strong on REAL issues....

i don't agree with him on everything... i am a bit more pro-gay... a bit less gun-averse
BUT i agree 87.6%

i have about NOTHING in common with McCain... his hopes (war with iran) his dreams (bombing iran) his plans (4 more years of bush)

IT IS TIME FOR THE PARTY TO UNITE... FOR MYSELF, I HAVE NOT DONATED YET... DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND MY HARD EARNED CASH ON THE PRIMARY......

MR OBAMA... MY CHECK IS GOING INTO THE MAIL THIS WEEKEND...
PLEASE USE IT WISELY... A ONE-WAY TICKET TO TEXAS FOR DUBYA, COACH!!!

[AZBlue]

64. I don't agree with him on eveything either.

Never met a politician - no, never met anyone that I agreed with 100% and I doubt I ever will.

But, he's the right person for this country right now and that I'm sure of!

[Skidmore]

62. Honored to K&R the truth you speak!

The last couple of days I was thinking about Alice Paul, Lucy Burns, and Inez Milholland Boissevain whose defiance against Woodrow Wilson paved the way for the 18th Amendment. Then I thought of Hillary and her tactics and felt like weeping. She does not understand honor or dignity. These women fought honorably and bravely for principle, and they did not seek to harm others when engaged in their struggle. I have seen much conniving, lying, and tearing down of others by some of the self-identified denizens of the Clinton school of feminists and the candidate herself that it makes me cringe.

[EnviroBat]

63. Great post!

:applause:

[mmm413]

66. I couldn't agree more.

I'm sick and tired of hearing "women" = a vote for Hillary or "African-Americans" = a vote for Obama. I'm a woman and I will only support Hillary if I have no other Democratic choice. This putting everyone in a box because of their gender or race is disgusting. Those who do that are either lazy as hell or assume those of us they're trying to put in the boxes are dumb as dirt. Let's look back on the Clarence Thomas debacle. African-Americans supported him b/c he was African-American. And boy haven't they lived to regret it. So. This gender and race crap is just that -- crap.

Hugs to all

[Frisbee]

69. Nicely put...

I think it is important to someday have a woman in the WH, but it is equally important that that woman be the right person for the job at the time. I also feel it is important to someday have an African-American in the WH. It just so happens that this campaign season, AA candidate is a better choice IMHO. I think there is a whole crop of potential "Madam Presidents" out there right now. Kathleen Sebelius is I think a great example, as is Sarah Palin, though she is an R, so I hope it is not her, obviously. I think either one of these ladies, along with some others may well be the first woman POTUS. And they are both of an age where they can seriously be thinking about 2012 or 2016.

disclaimer: I am a white male, so what do I know.

[debunkthelies]

70. Because I Am Woman

I am the steel hand in the velvet glove, I will use my woman power and vote for the best candidate for President, Barak Obama:woohoo: Because in him I see no prejudice in race or gender. :dem:

[AZBlue]

82. Nicely said!

[Dystopian]

71. Thank you! k&r

Nice!
:applause:


peace~

[corkhead]

72. I was thinking of that song myself this morning and I know why...

Hillary said something last night along the lines of "...the Democratic nominee, whomever SHE may be"

That reminded me of Helen Reddy's Grammy acceptance speech for that song back in the early 70's when she went on to "thank God, because SHE makes all things possible"

[barack the house]

73. This was a beautiful post and it meant so much considering who you are. Feminism is against control.

[AZBlue]

81. Thank you - and I couldn't agree more.

It's all about the freedom to do whatever you choose, with no restrictions.

[trickyguy]

74. More good poop on Ms. Hillary. Check out

the NanceGreggs piece at DU Journals today.

Pretty much says it all as far as I'm concerned.

But I'm a guy and I'm a feminist. So is it OK if I get to roar?

GOBAMA. My man.:kick:

[Darth_Kitten]

75. Oh, save it.......

nobody is telling you anything......get worked up in a lather about something important, if you MUST.

[BigDDem]

78. Sweetie, it sounds like you need some rest

[wisteria]

79. I am a former member of NOW and NARAL and hell will freeze over before I would vote for Hillary.

I don't trust her and I believe her to be out for her own legacy at the expense of the American people. The last thing this party needs is more years of the Clinton's. It is just ashame that they have been able to fool and convenience some naive people that they can bring back the good old Clinton days. There were very few real good Clinton days. And, they sold our party and other leaders down the river for their own self interest. They need to go!

[Tresalisa]

80. Shoot, I can't rec it,

but I'm sure gonna :kick: it!

GREAT post!

:applause: GOBAMA!!!!

[gauguin57]

83. Why am I seeing an "International Muslim Matrimonial Site" advert. on this thread? Whoa!

The thread is called "I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar." The ad that came up with it tells me I can browse photos (of marriagable Muslim women, I presume). WHAT IN THE HELL???

[AZBlue]

84. You mean the google ad on top?

That does seem odd...not sure what keywords they were picking up on...........

[gauguin57]

85. NOW I'm getting an ad that says I can browse "naughty or nice singles."

Somehow, the HAL 9000 that chooses the ads we see has equated being a liberated woman with being a "naughty single"????????

We're through the looking glass, people.

[muryan]

87. Bush ringtones...

:shrug:

[grassfed]

89. thank you!

[question everything]

90. What about Oprah and so many blacks who voted for Obama

because "our time has come?"

What about the bullying that members of the Black Congressional Caucus received from Junior (as in Jesse Jackson) to ensure that the next president is black?

No, you don't have to vote for Hillary because she is a woman, but why is no one saying the same thing about Obama and being black?

Nothing new under the sun. In the work place, in the movies, women are always being hard on other women while members of other minorities celebrate when one of them rises to the top.

Slave mentality.

[Lilith Velkor]

94. Woman is the n***** of the world.

[FrenchieCat]

95. Tell 'em Sister!

XX doesn't mean shit if one is also a liar, a beggar, an instigator and one who is willing to do anything without principles.