Hey, all you pissed-off women. Vote for McCain.

[Jackpine Radical]

That's the right thing to do.

Vote for repeal of Roe v Wade.
Vote for endless wars to send your babies off to.
Vote for the impoverishment of the bottom 99.9% of the population.
Vote for the destruction of public education. Hell, schoolin' ain't gonna do your kids no good nohow because there will be no jobs for them.
Vote for a guy who doesn't know what a mortgage is. You didn't really need that house anyway.
Vote for a guy who wants to Bomb-Bomb-Bomb-Iran, even though he's kinda confused on who runs the country.
Vote to deprive yourselves and your families of health care.
Vote for the guy who's drooling to turn the country over to corporate rule. (Oops--might be wrong on that one. Maybe he's just drooling.)
Vote for three more Supreme Court Justices to the right of Alito, Scalia and Roberts. That'll make sure the next two or three generations will have reason to remember how mad you are.

Yeah. Vote for McCain.

That'll show us evil, sexist bastards a thing or two.

[WA98296]

1. I'm a pissed off woman, pissed at the gender and race cards played by HRC & friends.

[still_one]

21. I'm a pissed off white guy with a college education for Obama, but I do believe

that the Democrats WILL unite in the general election against mccain

The more people hear from mccain verses the Democratic nominee the more they will realize what is at stake:

The Supreme Court
HealthCare
Medicare
Social Security
Jobs
Environment
Education
Stem Cell Research
etc. etc. etc.

WE WILL UNITE

[Jackpine Radical]

26. We had damn well better.

Like Franklin said, we can either hang together or hang separately.

[still_one]

31. Wow, I never heard that before. Very true /nt

[grannylib]

2. Dude, knocked that one RIGHT outta the park. Perfect summary.

Perfect.
May I pass along to some friends?? This is great! :hi:

[Jackpine Radical]

13. I'd be honored. (nt)

[myrna minx]

3. Thank you. K&R n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

23. Hi Myrna! How's trix in the land of the Goofers...

Gophers...whatever...?

[myrna minx]

45. Hey there Jackpine.

:hi: We're just bracing ourselves for the inundation of republicans due to the unpleasantness that will be the RNC convention. Why must they over run these fair cities? :D

[Jackpine Radical]

68. Oy. Would you believe I actually managed to repress

that unpleasantness for the moment?

Wow, that much pathology about to coalesce only a hundred miles away, and I can't figure out a way to make any money off it. I think I was born with a psychopathy deficiency or something.

[NanceGreggs]

4. Careful, JPR ...

... you're going to piss-off that big "movement" we keep being warned about - you know, the one that consists of twelve people.

[Arugula Latte]

7. They are going to wage a WRITE IN campaign and Hill will win that way!!11!

SERIES!!11!1!

:rofl:

[NanceGreggs]

10. No, I was just told ...

... that hundreds of thousands, probably over a million women are going to show up at the convention and DEMAND she be given the nomination.

Oh - pots and pans optional.

[cliffordu]

11. Maybe Brazillions??

[NanceGreggs]

14. Maybe ...

... but I have a feeling it's going to be closer to eleventy-seven.

[Debi]

15. and cowbell?

[NanceGreggs]

16. YA GOTTA HAVE COWBELL!!!

Goes without sayin' ...

[cliffordu]

19. I got a fever......

And cowbell is the only cure!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgpD8CKSmhs

[Dr. Strange]

42. You know...

last time I looked, we didn't have a whole lot of protests that feature the cow bell.

[graywarrior]

12. The apostles? Aren't they guys?

[DearAbby]

28. Google it....

why, we have no idear what we are a facin...what I've been told...it's growing by the hour! :hide:

[NanceGreggs]

48. Yeppurs, DearAbby ...

We'd best get into our bunkers and hide, 'cause we're in for a whuppin' of monumental proportions.

Seems a bunch of Hillry women (a brazillion or more, last I heard) are going to show up at the Convention and yell, "We want Hillary!" - at which point all of the delegates will immediately switch their votes.

I also hear-tell pots and pans will be involved, and lord knows there's no defense against that kind of heavy artillery.

Obama's onliest hope of keeping the nomination at that point will be for Oprah to show up, and tell all of the delegates that there's a ticket for a BRAND! NEW! CAR! under all their seats if they stick to their guns.

:hide:

[rug]

5. Do you really think those are simply women's issues?

[Jackpine Radical]

17. No, of course not.

What's your point?

[rug]

25. It was addressed to women.

What's your point?

[Jackpine Radical]

30. Why does my addressing it to women mean

I have to restrict my pointing out the consequences of their threatened actions to the ones that bear on "women's issues?" Even in my most curmudgeonly depths, I wouldn't contend that women are concerned exclusively with "women's issues." Is that clear, or are you having a density contest with depleted uranium?

[rug]

34. Let me rephrase: "Hey, all you pissed-off women."

You can cover it with plutonium and uranium but it won't change the fact you are insinuating women, pissed off women, are too dense or miffed to understand the implications of this election without your gentle nudging.

Stick to chemistry.

[Jackpine Radical]

39. Well, if that's what I'm doing (and I guess it is), I still don't see

much difference between insulting them about women's issues and insuling them about more general human and political issues.

[Perry Logan]

6. If calling them racists doesn't win their hearts, I don't know what will.

[Jackpine Radical]

20. Wow--the King of Rant has graced my humble thread.

But where did I say anything about race?

[Perry Logan]

33. You may kiss my ring.

I never said you said anything about race. I was referring to one of the biggest reason those silly women are pissed off.

[Ddan]

8. If only this was about the issues and not about "The Clintons"

It's just plain selfish to throw our country under the bus because your candidate didn't win. I don't care what you don't like about Obama, it's better than all of the above.


:kick:

[Xipe Totec]

9. How to win friends and influence people...

good summer reading...

[DinahMoeHum]

18. Yeah, ladies: Vote for a guy who has no real respect for women,

who dumped his faithful first wife and married another woman for her money,
and who allegedly referred to that trophy wife as a "trollop" and a "c**t"

:evilfrown:

[Jackpine Radical]

24. Welcome aboard.

And right on! (Wish I had thought of that)

[calimary]

36. Excellent point!

A keeper! They're REALLY gonna reward behavior this bad? Just outta spite? Good Lord... :eyes:

[cliffordu]

22. Thanks for saying this. K&R to keep this up all night!!

[emilyg]

27. Oh no - not again.

[northofdenali]

29. My momma - who IS a definitely HRC supporter -

wouldn't even whup ya! Mom's 92, and one (of many) of her reasons was she really, really wanted to see a woman DEMOCRATIC president.

But she's a yellow-dog dem, and has been forever -

No matter who plays what cards, and this goes for me, too, we'll be on the "D" side.

[jgraz]

32. Please do. I've done very well under Bush and I will probably do the same under McCain

And hey, I don't have kids so who cares if the planet burns up in 50 years?

[cliffordu]

35. I just realized I don't have any kids, either, so to hell with it,

let the good times roll!!

[Jackpine Radical]

37. Hey, I'm in.

If everything is gonna come unglued in a few years, what the hell?

Anyway, I've been doing OK under Bush too. I'm a shrink and lots of people are going nuts these days, so business is good--as long as they have insurance. My sideline as a criminal & forensic head doc is perking along too, what with all the people they're throwing in jail these days.

[cliffordu]

38. No kidding - maybe I'll get into drug testing for employers -

Fortunes to be made - both from the employers and blackmail money from the applicants.....

[Jackpine Radical]

40. Hell yes--that's good capitalist thinking.

The thing that keeps the sheep from getting rich is that they keep letting ethics and similar superstitions get in the way of making profits. Successful people like Cheney, Eric Knight, and the defense industry are unburdened with such nuisances. And anyway, why should employers give a shit if their people are loaded up on drugs--as long as it's the right drugs? Heroin cuts into productivity, but you can really get a lot out of a coke head before the burnout.

[cliffordu]

41. Which, because I'll controll the drug testing, explains my other.....

creative enterprise.....

[Jackpine Radical]

61. Indeed, you got a wonderful wrap-around plan there.

Kinda like selling weapons to both sides in a war. The way the big guys do.

[Elspeth]

43. Or you could vote for Bob Barr (to reinstate habeas corpus) or Cynthia McKinney(to expose 9/11 lies)

There's more than just McCain out there.

[Danger Mouse]

44. A vote against the Democrats is a vote for McCain, no matter whose name you choose.

[Elspeth]

47. So I shouldn't vote my conscience (which tends toward McKinney)?

Isn't binary thinking grand? ;)

[Danger Mouse]

49. do it if you want...but keep in mind...our common goal should be the total defeat of mccain.

[Elspeth]

50. And what is Obama going to do about 9/11? About habeas corpus?

And don't refer me to that PR driven website of his. IF you have real statements and evidence that he has the pull to get it done, let me know. Barr has been working on the habeas corpus and related issues with the ACLU for a while now. McKinney has support from a lot of the 9/11 groups.

[Danger Mouse]

51. And all of that adds up to a fat load of nothing, since neither will ever be elected.

And what do you mean 'about 9/11' anyway?

[H2O Man]

58. I think it is

worth noting that Barack Obama has spoken numerous times about the need to restore the Great Writ. Anyone who has followed his campaign should be aware of that. And as I've noted on several threads, it was President Clinton who worked with republicans to damage the protections provided by habeas corpus, which allowed Bush to take the second step. (A review of all of the president debates from both parties shows that Obama, unlike either McCain or Clinton, has spoken out about this issue.)

Obama is the best bet to appoint the highest quality of federal judges, including to the US Supreme Court. It is necessary for federal courts to place limits on the "imperial presidency" that Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., warned of in 1974. If citizens want to have access to information on any potentially controversial issue (9/11, the Plame scandal, etc), this is only possible with a federal judiciary that respects the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights.

Good OP and interesting thread. Thank you.

[Vinca]

60. Are you old enough to remember when women who wanted a safe

abortion had to go to Sweden to get them? I am. Of course, those were the wealthy women, often the wives and daughters of the same people who didn't want to legalize abortion in this country. The poor women resorted to the local barber, a knitting needle or the friendly lady down the block. Lots of them died.

[LucyParsons]

65. What does that have to do with why I should or should not vote for Hillary?

[Vinca]

67. It has to do with voting for the Democratic candidate in the general.

"Women for Hillary" who stay home and pout or, worse yet, vote for McCain or someone other than the Democratic candidate, better start saving up for plane tickets. Just in case.

[Jackpine Radical]

73. Yeah, hey, there's not a dime's worth of difference between Obama & McCain.

2000 was such a great idea that I think we should do it again. WooHoo, vote for Barr. Vote for McKinney. Write in Al Gore. Then you can march into oblivion with a proud sense of having accomplished something. YOU were one of the bold, the few, who, when we were on the brink of destruction, helped push us over the edge. The cockroaches, who will no doubt survive and inherit our leavings, will be in your debt forever.

[Vinca]

77. Pssst . . . your meds have worn off. nt

[sellitman]

78. You should vote for whoever you want to.

Just don't birch and moan as the OP's list comes true because you denied a vote to the one candidate who can actually stop the Republicans.

[Jackpine Radical]

62. Well, yeah, them too--but functionally, a vote for a 3rd party

amounts to a vote for McCain anyway.

[Jackpine Radical]

83. ...or Ron Paul to bring a touch of psychosis to the race...

[apocalypsehow]

46. Best thread of the night: K & R.

:thumbsup:

[tyedyeto]

52. Pissed off woman here who does not support Hillary

I'm pissed off about a lot of things but Hillary Rodham-Clinton is not and has never been the answer to women's issues.

Vote for McSame? OMG, No Way! I live in the state he represents in the Senate. He has never spoken for me or any other woman who thinks about women's issues like I do. Or any other non-gender issue, such as the Iraq War, the economy, Social Security, etc.

If the question is to vote Hillary Clinton or John McSame, I'm afraid I must pass, but will still vote for my House Rep, and local issues.

[Jackpine Radical]

63. I'd hold my nose and vote for Hillary.

She'd be better on most of the items on my list--enough of a difference, anyway, to make it worth the vote.

[democracy1st]

53. kick ass post

[scarletwoman]

54. k&r -- I'm not really a "sexist bastard", but I do agree with you.

:D

[Eurobabe]

55. K+R from a pissed off woman

who's in the tank for Obama. :hi:

[jackster]

56. Any Democrat who would vote for John McCain

after what this country has been through in the last 7 years, is NO Democrat and is a disgrace to the party and the country. And this is coming from a 52 year old white woman who has dreamed of seeing a woman in the White House all her life. Thank you Hilary for all you have done, but this is not about YOU any longer. This is about AMERICA and you and your supporters are being just what we abhor - DIVIDERS!

I am almost ashamed to be a middle aged white woman.....

[H2O Man]

57. Very good.

Nominated.

[WillyT]

59. Big K & R !!!

:bounce::kick::bounce:

[LucyParsons]

64. I'm a pissed off woman

Pissed off about

Telecom dereg
NAFTA
IWR
NCLB
Credit Card bill


etc, etc, etc

That's why I would never vote for Hillary.

:P

[MessiahRp]

66. LOL Jackpine that is priceless. :)

I wish I could say I will see you at the WI Dem Convention but unfortunately I am going to be on the other side of the state that weekend. Did Wineke even get a keynote speaker this year?

Rp

[Jackpine Radical]

69. Where ya gonna be?

And what could be more fascinating than watching Wineke trying to navigate his enormous ego around a crowded room without letting it come in contact with the riffraff?

One of the funniest things I've seen recently was when he was trying to herd people around at the 7th CD convention last month & everybody ignored him.

[MessiahRp]

70. I'm actually going to be in Prairie Du Chien that weekend

Wineke is pretty awful. Linda Honold's choices for keynote were always pretty bland but at least she had keynote speakers! Wineke is so inefficient he can't even do that.

If I were running the party/convention:
1. We'd have a national speaker as the keynote
2. The convention would go into Sunday afternoon where all the platform/resolution voting would be done (similar to how Saturday works now)
3. Friday and Saturday night would be open to the public in the area in which the convention is run.
4. Friday night would have a concert with some politically active bands as well as a political documentary showing either in the convention hall or at a local theatre that Convention pass holders would have free admission to.
5. Saturday night would be speeches/hospitality rooms.
6. Friday and Saturday afternoon while more local speakers are talking, run Camp Wellstone classes that can teach people how to organize and campaign.
7. Use the open to the public setting to sign up new volunteers and increase membership.

By stretching the convention out, making it an event not just an elongated local party meeting and opening it up more to the public we can increase our base (thus increasing funds through increased membership rolls) and open up our party to a whole core of younger voters who are looking for a reason to be interested/involved.

The current convention caters to long time party members that enjoy sitting through the party business of going over finances and platform resolutions. I say leave 11am-2pm Sunday for those people and do it the way we always have on Saturdays but make the other two days fun and full of activities that will motivate people to come to the convention and spend money.

Have fun at night with the concerts/movie on Friday and Hospitality Suites/Big Speakers on Saturday night and have instructional classes available during the day at the same time the more local speakers are going to give people an option to increase their capabilities for election seasons instead of heading out and doing something else and coming back when bigger name speakers are talking (I know people who have done this).

Of course if I ran things we'd also focus party attention on helping all candidates equally rather than only helping candidates that are sure wins like Wineke does.

Rp

[Jackpine Radical]

71. Wow, I absolutely love that!

That leads to another idea--why not expand Bobfest into a weekend event? They could do the usual Saturday program, but add stuff on Friday night & maybe Sunday morning. Turn the whole thing into something like Rockfest.

[MessiahRp]

72. Are you going to Bobfest this year?

I have yet to make it to one of these but this year I think I am going to attend. How different is how Bobfest run?

Rp

[Jackpine Radical]

76. I'll probly make it--usually do. I think I've only missed 1.

You can check their website, but basically it starts at about 9am and runs til 4 or 5. It's on the fairgrounds site. There are speakers, usually of national reputation. RFK Jr, Greg Palast, Hightower, Kucinich, etc. There are a lot of organic/fair trade-type lunch stands, lots of people selling all manner of progressive books & paraphernalia in a couple of the exhibition buildings & under canvas shelters. Last year the Barr-barians even had a small presence. The whole thing is pretty much the creation of Ed Garvey (ran with Barb Lawton against Tommy about a decade ago).

Edited to say it wasn't the Barr-barians. It was the Paulites.

[Texas Hill Country]

74. you do know a classic abuser tactic is to say "you have nowhere else to go", right?

just pointing that out... because that tactic does not work.

[SoonerPride]

75. THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

You ain't tied down or locked in the basement.

To compare intelletually honest choices between two candidates with ABUSE is fucking weak ass shit.

[bain_sidhe]

79. Hey, all you bullying Obama "supporters" Fuck Off

And I'm an Obama supporter too. But I'm a woman with a heart, and I feel the pain of Clinton supporters.

Most of them will come to terms with Clinton's loss in their own way, in their own time. You're just making it harder for that to happen. You're hurting the candidate you supposedly "support" and I DO support.

Thanks. Not.



**edited for typo**

[yardwork]

80. Speaking as a white woman, I doubt there are many here who would vote for McCain.

I think it is kind of a non-issue, yesterday's vote in Kentucky notwithstanding.

[WinkyDink]

81. Oh, brother.

[Jackpine Radical]

82. Where art thou?

Coenhead?