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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:36 PM
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Is Hillary Clinton losing this thing because she relied too heavily on misogynists?
Crazy, you say? Well:

Is it not conceivable that Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War Resolution only because she believed very few men would ever support a female presidential candidate who did otherwise?

There must be a lesson in there somewhere.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:39 PM
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1. If she did, that indicates a deeper failing on her part
That she was willing to vote to destroy a country and send American soldiers to their deaths in order to preserve her political viability.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:27 PM
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5. I guess men don't like that.
Go figure.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:40 PM
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2. Who is Hillary?
Is she that former presidential candidate? Bless her heart.

Remember how competitive of a race it was?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:45 PM
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3. Verrrry interesting. I think she was modeling herself on Margaret Thatcher.
Who supposedly had to tell Bush I to "buck up!"

I do believe that she thought she had to be the hawkiest Democratic Hawk. And, she would show the "___________"(James Carville term or whatever politically correct term one could use for reckless homicidal abandon) to "obliterate Iran". Once again, she had to prove that she wouldn't bring any dewy eyed female sensibility against wanton human destruction to the plate.

(Although I don't recall Margaret Thatcher complaining about sexism in her rise to the top. I could be wrong.)

I think your premise is fascinating with a kernel of truth.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:45 PM
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4. I think she never imagined..
and didn't plan for the possibility, that she might not win. She expected to have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday. She's been playing catch up, and not doing a very good job at it.

Sunday, November 4, 2007
CLINTON PLANNED TO USE GENDER CARD ALL ALONG

RON FOURNIER, AP - Clinton's advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss internal matters, said there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her. The idea is to change the subject while making Clinton a sympathetic figure, especially among female voters who often feel outnumbered and bullied on the job. As one adviser put it, Clinton is not the first presidential candidate to play the "woe-is-me card" but she's the first major female presidential candidate to do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_po/on_deadline_c...

Did Hillary "Play The Gender Card"?
By Greg Sargent - November 2, 2007, 3:51PM

So what really happened here, anyway?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/did_hillary_play_the_gender_card.php
After the debate, Hillary's campaign sent out an email describing her as "one tough woman" and deriding the nature of the "piling on" that had ensued. And the next day, AFSCME president Gerald McEntee endorsed Hillary with remarks that almost certainly had plenty of input from the Hillary campaign: "Six guys against Hillary. I’d call that a fair fight. This is one strong woman.:
So just after the debate the campaign didn't argue that she was being attacked because she's a woman. But the campaign clearly did try to strongly emphasize the gender picture here.
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Hillary pollster Mark Penn subsequently said in a conference call that the image of six men beating up on Hillary would play well with female voters. And anonymous Clinton advisers told the Associated Press that "there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of
gathering against her."
Though one should approach anonymous stuff with caution, this doesn't seem especially difficult to believe.
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Bottom line: As best as we can determine, Hillary never explicitly made the accusation that the men were piling up on her because she's a woman. But you'd have to be very credulous indeed not to believe that the campaign is explicitly trying to emphasize, for various political reasons, the fact that she's a woman getting hammered by a bunch of men. I don't know if that constitutes "playing the gender card" or not -- the exact meaning of the term is unclear, at least to me -- but that's obviously what's going on.

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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:26 PM
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6. Makes a lot of sense. Sometimes she is fighting when there is no fight.
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