A poll of perceptions of sexism.

[Writer]

Poll question: A poll of perceptions of sexism.

Please choose one.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I'm a Kucinich supporter

and I just don't get this "sexist" meme.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. It is suppose to be pushed today didn't you get the memo?

The poll is not very well thought out so I chose other.

[Swamp Rat]

11. Other: Sexism played a part in Hillary's campaign thanks to her, Mark Penn, Wolfson. et al

She used it to bludgeon everyone within arm's distance, causing her to lose many supporters, and ultimately the Dem primary.

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. I'm just trying to play nice

[Swamp Rat]

23. And I'm not playing.

Smash the repukes!!! :D

[Ichingcarpenter]

30. Oh, totally agree smash the bastards.

This is McCain on HD TV

I pull it off of gizmodo and it is not touched by photoshop.







Imagine looking at that on your TV for the next 4 years?

[subsuelo]

31. Looking at that pic makes me suddenly think David Icke is right

lol

:fear:

[Swamp Rat]

38. David Icke is an alien lizard too.

[Swamp Rat]

32. or longer...

Btw, there are some dittoheads actively posting in GD-P right now who have passed as Hillary/Obama supporters for the past few months. We will not have peace on this forum as long as they are allowed to continue to stir the pot.

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. Yeah, I know that

[Swamp Rat]

37. I know you know that.

:D

But it is also entertaining, especially when people take themselves so seriously.:D

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6043867&mesg_id=6044540

[BlooInBloo]

2. Playd *a* role? Just non-zero, but no matter how small? Then sure, it played *a* role.

This should be a 100% poll.

[mohc]

3. A role at all? Or a significant role?

The very act of pondering if it plays a role makes it do so, at least nominally. But there is a pretty big gap between a nominal role and a significant role.

[MrsT]

4. Define "play a roll"

Sure, there are people who don't support Sen. Clinton because she is a strong woman. Regardless, Mark Penn and bad strategy played a much, much bigger roll in her defeat than sexism did.

[GarbagemanLB]

5. As an Obama supporter, yes, it played a role. As did RACISM.

[casus belli]

7. Played a role - not necessarily by candidates

I think unfortunately, this campaign has been full of instances where candidates were being held liable for the actions and statements of a few supporters.

[last1standing]

8. I'm an Obama supporter who believes sexism has played a role.

But I believe racism has played at least the same role if not larger.

Sexism and racism are prevalent throughout our media and culture. To deny their existence or the idea that they are used to manipulate people is shortsighted at best.

[NJmaverick]

9. I know sexism didn't play a role and so does Hillary

that will not stop her from playing up this wedge issue, as she tries to create a rift that will never heal. This woman is beyond contemptible.

[RaleighNCDUer]

34. No, I believe Hillary knows it played a role, because she was the

one who was playing it.

She has allowed her surrogates to scream 'sexism' at any perceived slight - most of which were not sexism at all, and the few that were were generated by the republicans, not her Democratic opponents.

I don't believe that sexism directly influenced anyone to vote against her in the primaries - there are plenty of very sound reasons to vote against her other than "she's a woman."

[NJmaverick]

42. I can't argue with that. I have seen many of her supporters ONLY

support her because of her gender.

[Cant trust em]

10. Denying that sexism has played a role would be akin to saying that racism hasn't played a role.

It's just a matter of degrees to how much of a role it has played.

[Occam Bandage]

12. Other. It played a nonzero role, but largely a peripheral one. Same with racism.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. It had no effect on the outcome.

Clinton, remember, was way ahead in the polls before this started.

[havocmom]

15. yep. She was a woman when she was inevitable and a woman when she blew that to hell

Gender now only matters to a handful of people who don't want to accept the reality that Hillary and her campaign lost on their own. A white male candidate making such poor choices would have lost too.

[newmajority]

14. "A role", possibly. "THE role", no

In other words, I DO NOT BELIEVE that sexism is the primary reason for Hillary Clinton's defeat. The reasons, as I see it, are as follows....

1) Obama's message was better. See any "Portland" thread from yesterday.

2) Obama's campaign was better. (i.e. Mark Penn didn't even know how Democratic primaries worked, and assumed they used the same rules as HIS party, the Republicans)

3) BushClintonBushClinton - 28 years is enough. The country is falling apart. People want a new direction.

In addition to all of that, Hillary Clinton didn't run as "a woman who was qualified to be President". She ran as a Clinton whose "qualification" was the 8 years she already spent in the White House. In other words, she ran on Bill's record and his accomplishments, not her own. The irony right there is that Hillary herself injected "sexism" into her campaign for that very reason.

Whomever the next female candidate for President is, odds are it will not be a former first lady, and hopefully not anyone else trading on a family dynasty. And she (whomever it is) will be the true test of when a woman will win the White House. And when that day happens, it will be a great thing for this country, just as the election of President Barack Obama will be.

[housewolf]

16. I believe a pro-woman bias has played a larger role than an anti-woman bias

Could be called "reverse sexism."

The Obama campaign has extended uch deference to her out of respect because she's a woman. Had his opponent been a man and attacked him in the ways that she has, his responses would have been much harsher. He's had to walk a very fine line in order to not appear to be attacking a woman.

[Writer]

17. So far...

71% of the 14 Clinton supporters responding believe that sexism played a role in this primary.

On the contrary, 23% of the 31 Obama supporters responding believe that sexism played a role in this primary.

[Adelante]

18. Sexism plays a role in society, as does racism

Therefore, both play a role in politics. Do I think sexism against Clinton had more of a role than racism against Obama? Not that you asked, but, no, I don't. They each had to deal with bigotry, of course. Two great challenges. But part of why I don't have a lot of sympathy is because her campaign was not a particularly feminist campaign, and yet here she is on her last leg exploiting her femininity, blaming her loss on the boys against the girls, instead of owning up to a loss as a politician. I didn't become a feminist all those years ago for this. I became a feminist for equal treatment as a human being. Between race and gender, this was a wash. What wasn't level, as to the playing field, to me, was Obama's having to run against two Clintons, one of them the last Democratic President of the United States. Hillary didn't run on her own steam as a candidate or as a female. But she could have. She could have given a major women's rights speech, for example, early on. She could have run a campaign independent of her husband. She had everything in her favor when she announced her campaign, the money, the fame, the campaign structure, the media power. She blew it all. So I'm just not relating to Hillary as victim. She had sexism to contend with; he had racism to contend with. Who handled it better? The one who is ahead.

[Scout]

19. neither an Obama nor a Clinton supporter, and sexism did play a role n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

20. Other. Not really a "supporter" of either and don't think sexism played a role.

At least not in a way that negatively impacted Sen. Clinton's campaign.

[davidlynch]

21. Cokie Roberts Sure Did, She Said Hillary was a "Victim" of Sexism.

Absolutely today's talking points. Fuck these people.

[PBS Poll-435]

24. Other - Robb is a dingbat

So I hear...





:hide:

[democrattotheend]

25. I believe it played a role, but I don't think it's the reason she is losing

Sure, she has lost some votes because she's a woman. Obama has lost some votes because he is black. But both of them have also gained a lot of votes because of their gender or race, respectively. There's been sexism in the media, and I would argue that there has been some racism too. But Hillary Clinton started out with the money, the name recognition, and the aura of inevitability, and she ran a bad campaign. Her blaming that on sexism is offensive to me as a feminist because it trivializes women who are legitimately held back in the workplace because of sexism.

[Redbear]

26. Obama voter - sexism and racism both played a significant role

Sad but true.

[dbmk]

27. Such a poll needs a little more than a yes/no choice

[cbayer]

28. I support both candidates and I believe sexism has played a role.

I think racism is also playing a role.

As a sexist, racist acquaintance said to me the other day:

"The Democratic Party really blew it again. At a time when there was no question that the country had had it with the Republicans, they run a race between a woman and an African American. How stupid is that?"

That's what he said and I think he, unfortunately, speaks for many.

[slackmaster]

29. Other - All people have prejudices and "isms" that play roles in most political decisions

Gauging the overall effect of several of them in combination may not be possible.

[Buzz Clik]

33. I believe that some Hillary supporters hate all men.

:shrug:

Just trying to get into the spirit of this thread.

[Terran]

36. Sexism HAS to have had some effect on things

Just as racism as. But not, I daresay, nearly as big a role as racism has played.

[hendo]

39. Sexism and racism

Both played a role in the primaries.

[RandomKoolzip]

40. Sexism DID play a part in this primary, but it's disingenuous to claim that Obama

is somehow responsible for it. The sexism has come from members of the press, isoalted posters on message boards, and actors working independently of Obama's wishes.

The one example HRC supporters use to make a case for BO's own sexism is usually his "You're likable enough" comment. I would genuinely and honestly like someone to explain to me how that's a misogynist comment (it must have been his tone, because those three words alone contain very little any sane person could recognize as sexism).

I DO appreciate that we're having discussions about this stuff, because it's a forum for men and women who want (sincerely) to learn about sexism. Many of us (myself included) need to educate oursleves about the forms misogyny can take.

In other words, Misogyny is a real problem; sexism is systemic and pervasive and it exists, I have donw my part in pointing it out when i see it on DU and in real life. Just yesterday, an Obama supporter advocated running Geraldine Ferraro over with a bus. THAT'S disgusting and I will not let that shit stand. But sexism is not why HRC's losing, and Obama himself has not engaged in sexist or misogynist behavior; to claim that he has is to lie.

[VotesForWomen]

41. i'm just curious if all the O supporters who voted no believe that racism has played a part in this

campaign. because if you see the racism but not the sexism, you are truly in a cult.

[NaturalHigh]

43. Other: I don't like either candidate...

and I don't think sexism has played a part in the primary.