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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:25 AM
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Bring on the bogus claims of sexism.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:41 AM by Kristi1696
Go ahead and call Obama sexist, without being able to cite a single example of this behavior on his part.

Go ahead and call wolf, where there is none.

This will only serve to unite Democrats behind Barack.


Unfortunately, such tactics also undermine the feminist cause and risk backlash sexism that will impact on women nationwide. But if you feel that you must, carry on...


Nothing is more costly, nothing is more sterile, than vengeance. — Winston Churchill


ETA: I hope that you all realize that the media is only covering this now to set you all up to take a fall. They want to squeeze every last drop of drama out of these primaries. And they would be only too happy to lure you all into screeching about perceived sexism (yes, "screeching", for that is how they will surely portray it). Notice how MSNBC is already looping Ferraro's ridiculous claims from this morning?

Face it, there has been ample evidence of sexism in this election, 95% from the media itself. Do you really think they're going to come clean on that and offer some kind of mea culpa? No way. Instead they're setting you all up to make it look like your claims of sexism are all baseless and foolish to begin with.

Don't fall for it.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:26 AM
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1. he once said "Sweetie" OMFG, this is HUGH, I'm SERIES
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:47 AM
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14. Predictable - and predicted - Du Obama fan club response - O's demeaning "hasn't done anything" gone
from Obama fan club memory
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:49 AM
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17. show me examples of Obama's sexism
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:21 AM
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31. As usual, this challenge is met with silence. n/t
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:28 AM
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2. periodically !11!!
:grr:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:33 AM
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3. "she's just emotional."
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:35 AM
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4. Yeah, because only women are emotional.
Next
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:35 AM
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5. thanks for proving my point
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:37 AM
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7. ...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:51 AM
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18. That's whats called sarcasm.
Look it up.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:43 AM
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11. is that a direct quote? link?
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:44 AM
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13. No. Of course not.
More delusions of maltreatment from the Hillary camp.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:44 AM
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12. Who said that? Bill Clinton?
:shrug:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:55 AM
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22. “Apparently it's okay to say bad things about a girl."
What kind of sexist calls a 60 y/o woman a "girl"?

Oh, wait, it was Bill Clinton:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/27/bill-clinton-lets-just-saddle-up-and-have-an-argument/
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:56 AM
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23. To be fair, she called herself a girl too.
OMG Hillary Clinton is a sexist and hates women! This is HUGH!!!!!1!!!!1!!
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:59 AM
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24. Yes, she did.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:36 AM
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6. I have been really offended by the constant cries of sexism....
and you know, the constant moving of the goal posts and changing of the rules is not how I want the election of the first woman president to go down in history...
:shrug:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:48 AM
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15. It is not just Obama words it is sneer and tone as he says she's a nothing
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:52 AM
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19. He said she's a nothing?
when? I have found him to be annoyingly defferential to her...

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:54 AM
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21. "She's a nothing," sneered Obama in an elitist tone.
Link?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:00 AM
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26. So basically, you're hallucinating?
If he coughs, is that code for "get back in the kitchen"? :sarcasm:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:01 AM
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27. does it require really low self esteem/bitterness to see things that way?
Because I just don't get it. Why would someone look at that gesture and perceive THAT?
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:32 PM
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34. still waiting...
I heard him call her "A formidable opponent" and say she is qualified to be president, unlike Ms. "all he has is a speech...", doesn't the constant denial of reality get tiresome?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:06 AM
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28. ITA. Hillary has made it very hard for another woman to run for president in the future....
Voters will remember Hillary's bullshit martyrdom and bogus cries of sexism, and think "No, I don't want to go through that shit again."

Funny, that's the same thing many think when they consider going through another 4 years of the Clintons in the White House.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:20 AM
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30. I hope we're not there yet, but that's certainly where we're headed.
Much to the pleasure of Geraldine Ferraro and her Fox News bosses.
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Sundoggy Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:41 PM
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39. I thought that myself
Edited on Tue May-20-08 01:43 PM by Sundoggy
but didn't want to go there.

People will remember the barking-mad vengeance-hungry reactions of Clinton's supporters for a long, long time.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:52 PM
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41. I agree completely....
I really resent it, and I hate to say it, but because she is an historic candidate, she needs to be better than the usual suspects (rich white men) as does Obama. Fortunately, he has risen above, sadly, she has not...
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:38 AM
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8. How can a man beating a woman not be sexist?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:42 AM
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9. Well said!
The tactics being used do, indeed, undermine the cause for equality for women and, I think, those using them on DU and elsewhere know it and don't care. One only has to read the posts to know they don't have a bloody clue what sexism really is and have NO problem using sexist language to denigrate women themselves.

It is beyond pathetic, imo.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:42 AM
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10. Kicking because I added to this.
Thanks for your replies thus far.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:48 AM
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16. I don't know whether to call it "reverse sexism" or "gender bias" or something else ...
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:49 AM by TahitiNut
... but I guess the label doesn't matter as much as the wrong-headedness of attacking a candidate that's more attuned to gender discrimination and discrimination of all kinds than perhaps 99.44% of his peers. Obama is a markedly balanced candidate and the entire tone and tenor of his campaign has been representative of personality attributes and VALUES which we stereotypically regard as "feminine." The emphasis on building Relationships instead of Adversarial Games, the person-to-person contact and nurturing approach, the remarkable FAMILY attributes ... all display far greater sensitivity to gender than Hillary's schizophrenic round-robin of weeping, playing melodramatic victim, and attempts to out-macho some bizarre caricature of macho.

I can only regard it as a cheap shot, born out of some sense of "proprietary interest" in OWNING the posture of being a "champion of womanhood" ... and some bizarre, deep-seated antipathy for any male that would presume to ally himself with such a position.

Yes, I can only regard it as destructive of any actual progress in advancing the interests of gender equity, apparently valuing preservation of the ISSUE more than it's eradication. It's extraordinarily pathological to ally one's self with the PERPETUATION of a social problem in order to preserve it as a PLATFORM. Sadly, it's not all that unusual.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:17 AM
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29. Very insightful post.
And I agree wholeheartedly that there is this sense that feminists still cry sexism only to keep themselves, and their platform, relevant. Incidents such as this one with Ferraro only strengthen this argument.

Unfortunately, we all know that sexism and misogyny certainly do still exist, but false accusations only undermine the cause to fight against them.

Given who Ferraro works for, I have to question who is determining her talking points, and why. She certainly seems to be willing to say whatever gets her attention.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:46 AM
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33. Thanks .., it's obviously with some trepidation that I even venture to express it.
Far, far too often we get this "males can just STFU" or "males are irrevocably sexist and unaware of it" crapola on DU. I find it both mildly sociopathic and tragic whenever I see it. If we're so embedded in "identity politics" then it portrays a hopeless prospect ... and is certainly antithetical to anything I'd call "liberalism."

I'm certainly no ideological 'fan' of Obama. I find his expressed positions far to conservative for my taste as a Kucinich supporter. Nonetheless, I am impressed with his apparent character and the tone and tenor of his campaign. (Besides ... I'm in love with his wife and kids.)

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:52 AM
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20. "such tactics also undermine the feminist cause and risk backlash sexism."
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:53 AM by ShortnFiery
TRUE!

HRC and her surrogates bad behaviors continues to shame her/OUR gender. :thumbsdown:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:59 AM
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25. I am a woman feminist and hearing Ferraro talk...
well, let's just say, based on what I was thinking I can only imagine how men viewed her delusional performance. Especially with her comment about "typical males." It just made me think that certain words are justifiable sometimes.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:42 AM
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32. Her bosses at Fox News are only too happy to push the "Obama is sexist" meme.
And draw Hillary supporters against Obama and towards McCain.

Ferraro should be ashamed of herself for playing along.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:35 PM
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35. But Obama did that brush it off move
Though it was towards the ABC moderators it was clearly sexist..
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:39 PM
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36. "Don't fall for it."
:thumbsup:


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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:40 PM
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37. The fact is that Sexism is alive and well in the good 'ol USA.
But, unfortunately, Obama has been on the receiving end of the backlash that should be pointed towards the supporters who have actually been guilty of the sexism. We have a real problem in America, it would seem, of separating the acts of someone's supporters from the candidates own - an unfortunate disability for both candidates that doesn't seem to have a solution.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:40 PM
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38. Obama is not sexist, IMO, but a lot of corporate media is...
Most of the sexist crap I've seen has come from corporate media.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:57 PM
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43. Bingo!!
another poster did a good thread entitled something like "OMG I'm voting for him now SHut up!". Not exact title but close. It's a good one and there's a video in there that shows exactly what you said - the MSM's blatant sexism.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:45 PM
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40. Her campaign whining is cyclic: The excuse de jour she isn't winning is sexism.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:54 PM
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42. I think the fact that Obama is winning
Makes Clinton supporters call him sexist. Nobody was supposed to get in the way of her nomination/coronation.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:57 PM
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44. I would suggest that screeching that claims of sexism are bogus
is also playing right into the media's hands. Those that continue to play a major role in this drama are actively furthering their goal.

Don't fall for it.

If you devote your life to seeking revenge, first dig two graves. - Confucius.
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