Lemme see if I have the race thing correct

[msallied]

According to some, Barack Obama's victories don't count because he got a majority of the black vote.

And this isn't racism HOW?

Last time I checked, a vote was a vote. A black vote counts the same as a white vote, a Mexican vote, a Native American vote, a male vote, a female vote, and an Eskimo vote. How is it NOT racist to discount someone's victories in states like the Carolinas and Mississippi based on the blacks people who voted for him? As if this demographic somehow illegitimizes Obama's victories.

Do people NOT see the disingenuous nature and downright cruelty of such a line of logic?

I say this because I just read that Obama's victories in these states mean little because he had 90% of the black vote. What a vile way of thinking.

[mucifer]

1. Black votes don't count. How could you not know that.

Yeah, this crap makes me sick.

[nxylas]

8. You mean they're not three-fifths of a person any more?

You have to remember the Clinton campaign is a little behind the times.

[papau]

2. The "race thing" was making AA voters think Clintons were racist/had racist supporters - 90+ whites

would be just as bad - but Hillary refused to play the race card to scare the white population.

[mucifer]

4. actually she had to apologize for her "I do better with working class

whites" remarks.

[ellacott]

27. She also apologized in front of black people for any racist comments

She also apologized to Obama. Kinda wierd apologizing for something you didnt do.

[DemGa]

30. No, she didn't apologize for any "racist comments"

Because it never happened.

"Her biggest apology came in response to a question about comments by her husband, Bill Clinton, after the South Carolina primary, which Obama won handily. Bill Clinton said Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina when he ran for president in 1984 and 1988, a comment many viewed as belittling Obama's success.

"I want to put that in context. You know I am sorry if anyone was offended. It was certainly not meant in any way to be offensive," Hillary Clinton said. "We can be proud of both Jesse Jackson and Senator Obama."

"Anyone who has followed my husband's public life or my public life know very well where we have stood and what we have stood for and who we have stood with," she said, acknowledging that whoever wins the nomination will have to heal the wounds of a bruising, historic contest.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/12/2008-03-12_hillary_clinton_apologizes_to_black_vote.html

[cali]

7. That's simply flat out FALSE

Hillary repeatedly played the race card. Over and over. Including her remarks about how Obama couldn't win hardworking WHITE American voters. You don't have anything like that to quote from Obama. Hillypoo has used gender and race to further her ends. That's one reason she's lost.

[Lerkfish]

15. is "ignored" STILL trying to defend the racial divisiness intentionally used?

people keep earning their way BACK on to my ignore list.

[cali]

21. no.

she's accusing Obama of having purposely played on black fears to get them to vote against hillary.

[Lerkfish]

24. ahhh. well, that's not much better, eh?

either way its delusional.

[msallied]

10. "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on."

How's that for diminishing the AA vote?

How about her surrogate Paul Begala?

"We can't win with eggheads and African Americans."

[SwampG8r]

17. on the bizzaro planet maybe

[Lerkfish]

3. candidates do have demographic stats to work with, HOWEVER, to use it as a

rallying point is whipping up the racist support intentionally.

when the demographics become your policy points, its a sad day for the party.

[undeterred]

5. If the Republicans had their way, blacks wouldn't vote.

They do everything in their power to keep blacks from voting. So, this kind of talk is pretty Republican if you ask me.

[suston96]

6. Actually, demographics based on race turnout are used all the time...

...there is nothing racist about such reporting.

The primary wins by Obama because of high black voter turnout in permanently red states are meaningless for the general election.

Those are statistical facts. Repeat: not racist. Just as the announced female turnouts are not sexist.

[Lerkfish]

11. see my post #3. thanks.

plomk

[msallied]

12. UGH! We're not talking about the General Election!

We're TALKING about the process of selecting a Democrat to run in the GE! We're talking about Democratic voters who turn out to vote in said selection process and the diminishing of the value of African American Democratic voters by Clinton supporters! Just because Mississippi at large will go red doesn't mean that the Democrats of Mississippi have less of a say in the choice of their candidate!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

9. She's leading in the popular vote

Counting MI and FL, discounting caucus outcomes, and considering that each AA vote is 3/5 of a person.

Old school, baby! Before that pesky amendment.

:rofl:

[msallied]

Oh dammit! I forgot about the 3/5 thing. That explains it. LMAO

[papapi]

29. And Hillary says it's the MAP not the MATH! Phooey!!!

How about simple arithmetic. Can we use THAT Hillrot?

[MonkeyFunk]

13. Who ever said they don't count?

I wish everybody would stop with the "xxxx doesn't count" nonsense. Nobody's claiming it, but people keep setting it up as a strawman.

[msallied]

16. I see it here plenty of times on DU by certain folk.

The diminishing of the importance or relevancy of the AA vote is blatant and disgusting.

[Lerkfish]

18. well, its hypocritical, since the Clintons bragged about securing the AA vote when Bill was elected

but in other news, apparently, Hillary is sounding more like a unity candidate today in Kentucky, which is good.

[msallied]

19. Good. Perhaps it's not too late to repair the damage that's been done.

[VotesForWomen]

32. that's when it was dem vs rep, not white dem vs black dem. you do see the difference, don't you?

[mkultra]

22. that would be a wide breath of your ilk

[MonkeyFunk]

25. Cool!

I have an ilk?

But back to the question at hand, I've never seen anyone say black votes don't count - or shouldn't count. Discussing the realities of the primaries doesn't mean something "doesn't count".

[mkultra]

28. the contention from either side is

that older women/feminists and blacks don't really count as they are identity voting. Thus meaning they are locked up and only the indies "matter"

[DevonRex]

14. And apparently white votes for Obama in Colorado, where he won

over Clinton 2 to 1. In a sea of faces at our caucus site, I saw 2, count them, 2 African Americans. I'm proud to say that they were both in my precinct.

[msallied]

20. I hear ya... I live in Washington

that went largely for Obama. There were very few blacks at my caucus or at the county convention. Actually zero in my precinct or the two other precincts we shared a room with.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

23. Yeah, but those were elitist, ...

latte-drinking, birkenstock-wearing white votes.

Not yer shoulder-to-the-wheel, nose-to-the-grindstone, salt-of-the-earth, hard-working white votes.

:rofl:

So they don't count.

[DevonRex]

26. Well, I did take my latte to the caucus but my Birks were at home.

Everyone else, however, proudly wore their birks with their ski socks while drinking DOUBLE lattes. I felt very lowly with my single latte and snow boots. :(

I got over it, though, as I went right out and bought a Prius. :)

[VotesForWomen]

31. uh, nobody said they don't count, but if 90% of whites went for clinton, well, you can be sure the r

racism charges would be flying. witness what happened in WV; clinton won most of the whites (although nowhere near 90%) and there were several days solid here of racism accusations against white west virginians. you do the math.

[dugggy]

33. Would it be racist if 95% of whites voted for a white candidate

running against a Non-white candidate?

[democrattotheend]

34. Possibly

If it's a white Republican and 95% of the white people in the district are Republican, then no. But I would say that in most cases, a margin that high among white voters would suggest a reluctance to vote for a non-white candidate, particularly if there is a history of racism in that area. Black voters have a long history of voting for white candidates in presidential elections, so I don't think you can make the case that they are voting for Obama because they are uncomfortable voting for white people. They are voting for Obama because he is the first African American with a real chance to become president, and they are proud of him. I don't see how you call that racism. I don't think women who vote for Hillary because she's a woman are sexist either, but I think men who vote against her specifically because of her gender are.