HOLY CRAP!!! on Cspan right now... Very neg report coming out on 5/22 re: Obama anti-Am/commy ties

[housewolf]

while in prep school in Hawaii... re: a communist "mentor" Obama had while in school (the man was mentioned in Obama's book but not the man's affiations/beliefs). Also more on Ayers/Rezko --- from Cliff Kincaid of "Accuracy in Media Report" / America's Survival

Says someone in the FBI told him that if Obama applied for a Security Clearance, he probably wouldn't get one...

grrrr... this is sickening...

This is a "Judicial Watch" panel on on the "failures" of the media reporting so far during the election

[Waya]

1. Red Baiting has begun.......

.......

[Maribelle]

67. Begun? Republican opponent Alan Keys wore this out back in Illinois when the two were sparring.

Had any of Obama's followers bothered to look into Obama's background before they selected him, they would have found this old worn-out garbage.


I truly believe Obama's followers are the very least informed political group ever to hit the internet.

[mythyc]

72. .

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you hurt my eyes

and ears

[CreekDog]

79. and this is a valid reason to not support Obama in favor of Hillary?

and as for information, if you consider me uninformed because I haven't followed every rat hole that Obama opponents want everyone to know about, well, I AM UNINFORMED with respect to that. However, as for his policy positions, his voting records, his expressed political philosophy (which mind you, doesn't change 12 times during this primary season), etc. etc. --well, those things I know about.

Now which of the two should I be basing my vote on? Ratholes or policies? And don't go thinking Hillary wins by the "rathole" standard either, she's got her share of problems, lots of them, but I would vote for her based on policies too. Though I honestly do not know if at her core she is a conservative or liberal Democrat based on following her career, I believe she was one for a time, but I don't know what she has been for the last decade.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Oh please. Prep school?

Edit to add: I don't think anyone cares who Obama knew in high school. Seriously.

[housewolf]

6. What they intend to do is paint a portrait of how that tie

carries over and affects his decisions/responses/philosophy/contacts today, and how it carries through to Wright/Rezko/Ayers today.

[TwilightGardener]

12. Um...so? Of course they'll try to tie him to all sorts of shit. That's what they've BEEN doing.

It isn't working. No one cares, except Repubs.

[Cali_Democrat]

64. Americans will never buy that garbage

You have got to be kidding me.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

9. If CNN is so obsessed with prep school why didn't they check out

Little Georgy Chucklenuts days at prep school? Rumors of cheating, poor sportsmanship, and visions of entitlement have followed that guy around his entire life. Might have saved over 4,000 lives, buckets of money and world respect. Oh, wait...CNN being honest about Dim Son? Will never happen.

[Maine-ah]

38. wasn't HRC part of some republican group while in school?

[MediaBabe]

65. Republican does not equal communist

Sheesh!

[Name removed]

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[cliffordu]

4. I understand he had a 'special friendship' with Stalin, too...

:sarcasm:

[AspenRose]

5. Well, if nothing else, they're predictable....and persistent.

:eyes:

[LTR]

7. "Accuracy In Media" is a Brent Bozell smear site

They're totally full of shit. They make stuff up all the time.

And I would guess Obama does already have some security clearances.

[cliffordu]

8. I think he has to have when he announces for Pres...Right??

[WeDidIt]

25. Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs

HE has a security clearance by virtue of sitting on those two committees.

[TwilightGardener]

17. He has to, to be on the Foreign Relations Committee. He has access to classified material.

[housewolf]

28. I know these folks are pond-scum

Thought some folks here might want to watch & see what's coming. I imagine the Obama campaign is ready for it.

[stray cat]

10. Wow - I don't know what people I associated with in Jr High and highschool ended up doing.

I had teachers that I couldn't quote their political and religious beliefs. I could be a commie and not even know it!

[cali]

11. thanks for the concern, but this is nothing to worry about and nothing new.

[housewolf]

24. Thought some folks here might want to watch & see what might be coming

I'm sure the Obama campaign is ready for it

[newmajority]

13. Cliff Kincaid = right wing nazi

Judicial Watch = also right wing nazi

[WeDidIt]

14. Your concern is noted.

[anonymous171]

15. My spanish teacher was an extremely nice person. But she was an archconservative.

Like, REALLY conservative. I guess I can't run for office.

[TexasObserver]

16. hahahaha! More silliness from Team Sillary.

Where do they make up these stories?!

[PM7nj]

20. This isn't Hillary, it is a bunch of RW wackos.

[emilyg]

48. Not Hillary. Carry on.

[martymar64]

61. But the OP is a Hillary supporter

We'll await your denunciation.

[emilyg]

63. OP is one of yours.

[JoFerret]

76. You need a better mentor.

.

[PM7nj]

18. OH NO... his 8th grade teacher was a commie! AHHH!!

[DefenseLawyer]

19. I loved your work in "Three Billiegoats Gruff" n/t

[wundermaus]

21. They see Obama as a threat and will throw everything at him...

hoping anything will stick. It won't.

They are getting more and more desparate... and will fabricate fantastic lies to stop him from winning the Presidency.

If that doesn't work, well, then... we all know their playbook.

[Goodnevil]

23. Cheat

[housewolf]

35. I think you're right

they're busy digging up dirt to see what they can use that might stick, since Rezko & Wright hasn't worked...

[whistle]

22. It's the right wing conspiracy, the same old John Birch Society tactics

...that has been going on since the 1930s...sample links...all bullshit!

http://stuckinmiddle.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/barack-obamas-communist-ties/

http://www.davidduke.com/general/obama-outed-in-debate_3717.html

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

http://taxmanblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/more-on-che-obamas-communist-ties.html

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[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Who gives a fuck what Cliff Kincaid says?

Jesus Christ. He's a fucking whackjob with a looooooong record of making shit up:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512100001

[housewolf]

41. I know these folks are re-nuts

however, I hadn't heard this stuff before and thought folks here might like to be forewarned that it's coming

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

52. Yes, your cogent, measured warning.

Prefaced with "HOLY CRAP!"

[anonymous171]

29. They always label dems "Marxists."

Google "Hillary Marxist"
http://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+marxist&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[anonymous171]

34. More dem "marxists":

Bill Clinton:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=bill+clinton+marxist&btnG=Search

John Kerry:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=john+kerry+marxist&btnG=Search

John Edwards:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=john+edwards+marxist&btnG=Search

[highplainsdem]

30. This isn't new, it made no difference before, it won't hurt Obama now.

Kincaid first tried to raise this non-issue three months ago:

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

Alan Keyes tried to use this non-issue against Obama in the Senate race, too. It's ludicrous to suggest Obama is a communist.

[jaxx]

31. Hmmmm

<snip> Cliff Kincaid serves as editor of the Accuracy in Media Report, and as a veteran journalist and media critic, he has appeared on FOX News Hannity & Colmes and The O’Reilly Factor, and as guest co-host on CNN's Crossfire, filling in for Pat Buchanan. His articles have appeared in the Washington Post, Washington Times, Insight, and other publications, and he served on the staff of Human Events for several years, and as an editorial writer for Oliver North at his Freedom Alliance foundation. Cliff is the author of nine books including: Profiles of Deception; The News Manipulators; Global Bondage: The U.N. Plan to Rule the World; and The Hijacking of American Foreign Policy. And through his organization, America’s Survival, Inc., Cliff has been an advocate on behalf of families of victims of terrorism. http://www.changingworldviews.com/GuestCommentaries/cliffkincaidarticle3.htm

[zulchzulu]

32. Perhaps a smidge Maoist with some Leninist bent on the algebra tests? NO!

Prep school in Hawaii! OMFG!

:sarcasm:

[dchill]

33. OK, you've been here since 2004...

And you can't do the Google?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512100001

"Cliff Kincaid is a right-wing writer and activist who has been a longtime critic of the United Nations and other multinational organizations. He is also a writer and editor at Accuracy in Media (AIM), a right-wing media "watchdog" organization."

You need to vet, and chill.

[housewolf]

39. I know Judicial Watch is pond-scum

and I thought some folks here might like to be forewarned that this is coming, and maybe watch for themselves what these folks are saying

[navarth]

43. housewolf, you're ok with me.

don't feel too bad. I learned a little bit from your experience on this thread. Thanks for posting. (I guess they're probably right about the vetting we should do before posting, though...I'm just sayin')

[housewolf]

50. I'm sure I got over-excited

and I really just thought some folks here would like to watch & be forewarned as to what was coming. I generally don't post topics like that, but it was an "it's on right now!" kind of immediacy... even while knowing the folks on had an anti-Obama agenda - perhaps I'm in a tiny minority being of folks wanting to be know that "they" (the rw-ers) are up to when it comes to our candidates)

Thanks for your kind words.

[YvonneCa]

80. I saw it yesterday on...

...C-Span2 and felt the same. :)

[dchill]

44. Judicial Watch is conservative...

"Accuracy in Media" is pond-scum. Richard Mellon Scaife is pond-scum.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512100001

"He has received significant support for his work from foundations controlled by right-wing financier Richard Mellon Scaife, who has funded AIM as as well as Kincaid's own organization, America's Survival. America's Survival is dedicated to "educat the American people and to expos the influence of global institutions, including an International Criminal Court, on their lives." The organization appears to be run from Kincaid's personal residence."

Obama is not going to be swift-boated, and it's NOT 2004 anymore.

Again, I must mention the Google, vetting and chilling.

[LSK]

36. "mentor" = someone you knew for 10 days in High School???

:eyes:

[ecstatic]

37. OMG! Will the Obama haters ever attack on real issues? nt

[jaxx]

40. Nope, they're out for the smear.

A little more on this Cliff fella:

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2008/obamakincaid.html

[Forkboy]

42. Who gives a fuck about him? Kincaid thinks Fox News is too liberal.

He also started a "Quit Gay Sex" campaign.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

45. Back in '92, people like this group were claiming Bill Clinton marched with Communists in the USSR.

[kenny blankenship]

46. Hang on. You've got something stuck in your teeth-

[hokies4ever]

47. The logic doesn't add up

What's the common thread about Ayers and Rezko? Did you even ask yourself that. Two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT people with no logical thread to tie them both to one 'mentor' for Obama. Are all domestic terrorist bombers slum lords also. Unfortunately for you, I'm capable of higher level thinking, and am calling BS on this.

Your fear-mongering is rejected.

[kenny blankenship]

49. Wait, I thought REV. WRIGHT was the dangerous Obama mentor- or maybe

he's just the one who taught Barack how to make white people stew. If we wait a little while I bet we'll learn exactly which members of the Harvard Law School were Al Qaeda agents guiding young Obama and setting him on his course to crash into and destroy America.

[avenger64]

51. Stay in, Hillary.

This is why Obama can't be elected - dubious judgment and contacts in the past. Superdelegates can change their vote any time they want to.

To the convention!

[lutefisk]

57. LOL

:hi:

[FlaGranny]

58. And what happened to some

of the kids you went to high school with. I think you spoke with someone who later became a criminal and therefore we can't trust your judgment.

[Enrique]

53. I can't imagine being surprised by this

who couldn't know this stuff was going to be done against him?

[kid a]

54. Alert Hide Delete - This is RW propaganda not welcome here. Goodbye

[housewolf]

56. My intent was neither to advocate nor spread RW propaganda

it was to let people know there was something on CSpan that folks _might_ be interested in taking a look at in order to get a sense as to what's coming up next from the RW-ers. Apparantly I was wrong to think that folks here might be interested in something like that.

FYI, I've been an Obama supporter for longer than most here... if you had read my replies to other posts in this thread you would have a different opinion from what you have now

[lutefisk]

55. Bush got a free pass on everything that happened before he turned 40.

I thought that was the new paradigm?

Or does Obama have to say he found the Lord at age 40 and was "born again"?

In any event, the scrutiny and swiftboating really only applies to Democrats, doesn't it.

[msallied]

59. Conservatives accusing a Democrat of being a communist?

How retro. lol

[Honeycombe8]

60. This is Republican e-mail type stuff. (BTW, Obama HAS security clearance, doesn't he?) nt

[Cali_Democrat]

62. "a communist mentor Obama had while in school "

What a bunch of crap. How do you define mentor? A teacher? Should Obama have ditched 5th period? This is such bullshit.

[lojasmo]

66. I heard Obama has masturbated in the past.

Bwahaha. This is great. I'm really looking forward to this election season.

[VotesForWomen]

68. mark my words. this shit will EXPLODE once O becomes the nom. O will lose in nov and it will do ser

serious long-term damage to the democratic party.

[high density]

69. OK you're right. Let's ignore the votes and just put Clinton in.

:eyes:

[casus belli]

70. Save the doom and gloom

Say you can't and you won't, but don't expect others to follow you on to the pessimism train.

[anigbrowl]

75. Yeah, sure it will. Anything you say.

The electorate are going to be transfixed with the details of Barack Obama's prep school days. OMG - he listened to a KNOWN COMMUNIST recite poetry when he was in school!!



FACT: most people don't care about this. The ones that say they do don't want to vote for Obama anyway, and this is just a convenient excuse.

[casus belli]

71. This crap backfires on them everytime...

You'd think they would learn from the three seats they just lost trying this crap. Apparently, they're gonna keep kicking this dead horse until they lose the Legislative and Executive branches for a generation.

[nsd]

73. This whole post is bullshit.

Prep school?
Communist?
Accuracy in Media?
"... someone in the FBI ..."?
Judicial Watch?

Okay, your concern is duly noted. If you want to go run and cower in the corner, fine. Go ahead. I think the rest of us can handle this election without you.

[kwenu]

74. Oh. So now Obama is responsible for what his teachers did, said and thought.

When will the comedy end?

[Vinca]

77. Wow - hope they never find out about the Communist Chinese nanny

or the little incident in pre-school with the fingerpaints. The RED fingerpaints. Stay in Hillary, elementary school is sure to sink him!
:rofl:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

78. HOLY CRAP!!!

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