Why should Democrats take Hitler off the table when talking about the Bush family?

[rudy23]

There's a pretty strong and meaningful link there. Can you imagine what the Repubs would say if Barack Obama's grandfather had colluded with the Nazi's?

[onenote]

1. what would be the point, exactly?

Chimpy's not running for anything anymore.

And I object when people try to tar Democrats with their ancestors, so excuse me for not being a hypocrite.

[texastoast]

2. Certainly not

Especially now that we are at 666 donations!

:evilgrin:

[RichardRay]

3. Because it's a rhetorical loser.

It pretty much never works for anything other than the satisfaction the user gets from using the metaphor.

[leveymg]

9. It's far more than a metaphor. Prescott Bush and George H. Walker were Hitler's U.S. bankers.

They were also disloyal fascists who played a leading role in the 1934 "Plot Against America" that attempted to overthrow FDR. See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3290422&mesg_id=3290422

[RichardRay]

13. Yes, and referring to that connection is 100% inbounds.

Using the comparison between current political figures and Hitler is the belly flop I was referencing.

[TexasObserver]

4. we should never stop mentioning it, because it's true and relevant

they are a family of criminal fascists

[Clear Blue Sky]

5. Irrelevant

As mentioned, Bush isn't running for anything.

Why are we responsible for our ancestors? I'd wager that some DUers have ancestors who were slave owners. So what? It's history...

[Leopolds Ghost]

14. Duh, because George HW Bush and his parents MADE the Republican Party!

Karl Rove's parents were German fascists as well. 20% of America wanted to enter WWII on the NAZI SIDE, the vast majority of them Republican.
They are disloyal fascists who want to remake American government to
conform with Mussolini's ideas and they have already succeeded
(little beknownst to most Democrats -- you assume that the scope and
powers and business oriented function of government we have today is
NORMAL and to be expected in a democracy... it is not, and the mission
and purpose of government post Reagan is associated with Mussolini's
and Franco's ideas, coupled with a heavy dose of religious dominionism,
including Hillary Clinton's pastor BTW, who praised Hitler and Mussolini.)

[NewHampshireDem]

6. Because there's so much fucked up shit HE himself is doing NOW

that to raise that old ghost seems petty and weak by comparison? :shrug:

[BrklynLib at work]

7. If BushCo and the cronies were not still engaged in the same Fascist practices, I would say that it

might be irrelevant. But the truth be told, their history is obvious in their current ideas and practices. It is not like they are trying very hard to live down the terrible heritage they have behind them. They seem to glory in it.

[rudy23]

8. That's what I'm saying. How many Muslims has * killed?

It would be irrelevant to criticize his ancestor, if he weren't running the country like he thought Hitler was the biggest badass in the world.

[Hugabear]

10. If we don't learn from history, we're doomed to repeat it!

I don't know why so many people want to stick their heads in the ground and act like we can never talk about Hitler, Nazi Germany, etc. The minute you start making comparisons, the inevitable "Godwin's Law" response comes up, as if we're supposed to just ignore all of the lessons that we were supposed to have learned from WWII.

[elocs]

11. It may be all self congratulatory for Liberals to connect Bush with Hitler and the Nazis,

but for a good many Americans it is just way too over the top. Start doing that and they just turn you off as being ridiculous. Why not just go for the ultimate and connect Bush with the Devil? I think the Devil trumps Hitler or the Nazis. There are so many terrible and bad things that Bush can be connected to right now that are or should be clearly evident without reaching back to the Nazis. It's kind of related to Godwin's Law where when you run out of things to say you resort to having to reference Hitler and the Nazis. That kind of ends the conversation.

Do you really think that Bush is Hitler-like or Nazi-like? Has anybody ever heard Hitler referred to by any cutesey-clever nicknames like "Chimpy"? When you casually apply such names to any person who really is bad or is responsible for evil deeds, then you marginalize them and turn them into a caricature, making them cartoonish. The truth is that Bush has done too many bad things and has been responsible for too many evil deeds to be offhandedly treated with a dismissive and slamming nickname in an attempt to be clever.
What he has done is way too serious to me to ever have me refer to him as "Chimpy" (that's just one example of many, and I like chimps).

[Leopolds Ghost]

15. The Bush family were Hitler's bankers. That is HISTORICAL FACT. and Bush is a "family" man.

He is the inheritor of a family business.

Jeb Bush inherited his father's CIA connections to the Cuban mafia community, BTW.

Not many people are aware that the mafia is a fascist organization... we rebuilt the mafia in Sicily after WWII because the Communists had destroyed it during the course of the war and we wanted to keep the Commies out of Sicily.

You obviously do not learn from history. The past is prologue.

[elocs]

16. So, has Bush himself done anything lately, say in the last 7 years?

There is more, more than enough that Bush has done himself without having to stretch back to Hitler and the Nazis. The point is to convince people in the here and now (most Americans have trouble enough with that) and not have to connect Bush with what his family did 70 years ago. What about Bush's family connections to Ghegis Khan and the Mongol hordes? When you start bringing up Hitler and the Nazis, that is too over the top for most people and they turn you off.

Oh, and you have absolutely no idea what I have learned from history just because I disagree with your point of view. Perhaps there is a way to connect that with the Cuban mafia, the Sicilian mafia, the fascists, Hitler, the Nazis,...(as people are clicking the next thread).

[RainDog]

12. Because the following is far more important.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5986112&mesg_id=5986112

The majority of the Republican party chose to violate our laws and treaties. At this time. This issue is ongoing. This issue is one that reaches across the political spectrum because there are honorable people on both sides of the aisle.

A focus Bush and Hitler and Union Bank is a way to have people dismiss serious and current issues.

What is most important at this time is a move away from current unConstitutional acts of governance.