I am sick of spin - - Lets talk turkey....

[canadian_is_cold]

There is still alot of venom being spat around the DU these days between the HillLovers and the ObamaFans. Why? Isn't it almost time for you Dems to get together and start focusing on the real enemy. Good ole McSame?

I believe Hillary Clinton has ran a good race, she competed fiercely. She tried her best. But she simply cannot win. Obama will be the nominee plain and simple. What I find surprising is how many Clinton supporters are still suffering the mass delusion that somehow this is a competitive campaign. when it is clearly not, so why do Hills supporters seem so convinced she is still in the game?

It has been a close race. But it is not close enough anymore to offer Clinton a viable path to victory.

Facts:

Obama has won 32 contests so far

Clinton has won 16

Obama has a pledged delegate count of 1599

Clinton has 1446

Obama has the support of 287 Super Delegates

Clinton has 273

Obama also leads in the popular vote with a total of 16,438,697 right now

Clinton sits at 15,734,865

the only number that shows Clinton with a lead of any kind is if FL and MI were counted as is, allowing no votes at all for Obama in MI. If that were the decision the numbers would be:

16,680,827 for Obama

16,710,298 for Clinton

In that completely unlikely scenario Clinton would gain a tiny lead of 29,471. However I should note, Obama was not on the ballot in MI, although there were 238,168 votes for "uncommitted" if those were to be considered votes for Obama, he would be ahead again by 208,697.

There are 5 contests left

Clinton is favoured to win 2

Kentucky with 51 delegates total
Puerto Rico with 55 delegates total

Obama will probably take the other 3

Oregon with 52 delegates total
Montana with 16 delegates total
South Dakota with 15 delegates total

They will most likely split the remaining delegates each ending up with around 90 more elected delegates.

Obama has also been enjoying a steady flow of superdelegate endorsements (over 25 in one week) while in the same span of time Clinton has only gained 1.

Obama is 139 delegates away from securing the nomination.
Clinton is 306 delegates away

***Hillary supporters this question is for you. Point out 1 legitimate way your candidate will achieve a actual win this contest. btw (Going to the convention and trying to force the party to ignore the will of the American people does not count as a 'legitimate' win.)***

[Brundle_Fly]

1. STEAL what is rightfully HERS eom

[MonkeyFunk]

2. I disagree

that the superdelegates deciding to support Clinton is not a legitimate win. Obama fans want to pretend there's some rule that the supers must support the pledged delegate leader, but that's just a talking point - it's not based on truth at all.

[canadian_is_cold]

3. I never suggested that supers supporting her would not be legitimate

I noted that they are not supporting her

[MonkeyFunk]

4. Well what would make it illegitimate?

Them changing their minds? I just don't see a way that she DOES win that would be illegitimate. IF the delegates vote for her, it's legitimate.

[canadian_is_cold]

12. I think you must have misunderstood. My question

I was not referring to the will of the supers per say. I was referring to the new Hillary campaign spin that the rules need to be changed now, that there are actually more delegates needed than 2,025 that the will of the people should not be as much of a consideration as who won the bigger states. That the only focus of the party should be that she is a stronger candidate, and that MI and FL should be counted as is, even if Obama was not on the ballot in MI. That they will refuse to accept a decision that is anything less than what they are demanding now.

As for the supers, they will probably continue to flock to Obama. Only 1 in a week for Hillary does not bode well for them getting her to her new goalpost of 2210 delegates.

My version of illegitimate is basically changing the rules of the game right before the other team is about to score the winning goal.

[sandnsea]

5. Not a rule - just the basis of democracy

The vote of the people should rule. Why else does she keep saying we have to let all the states vote?

[iamthebandfanman]

6. of course they dont have to

but they also know whats good for the party. so they will go that way. theyd rather project the will of the people being done than their own, trust me.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. I thought you already conceded the nomination. Did you flip flop? The only

problem with the fantasy that all the supers suddenly change direction is that they are already consistently going Obama's direction.

What event do you foresee that would change the direction the supers are going?

When Obama wins a majority of the pledged delegates on May 20th, it will only further the movement of super delegates toward Obama.

Do you believe that Edwards can get his 19 pledged delegates to back his endorsement up? My bet is he can. It looks more and more likely that Obama will cross the 2024 mark by June 3rd, when the voters of SD and MT close the deal for Obama on the nomination.

After that, the supers will pile onto the presumed nominee, making the numbers quite lop sided. And as you already so astutely pointed out, Obama is the nominee.

[grantcart]

7. with Edwards pledged delegates it will be over in one week

he will have 2025 by wednesday next week

its over

[Brundle_Fly]

9. but he needs 2995 now.

:rofl:

just a little bar raising humour.

[wvbygod]

8. Because Hillary is close to 50%

Combine that with the hatred shown against Hillary supporters because they
refuse to give up early and the turkey is still cooking. The assumption that
we that vote for Hillary are somehow racist really adds to the stuffing too.

[Brundle_Fly]

10. I don't believe Hillary supporters are racist.

and if she were the nominee I would expect everyone to vote for her.

Fact is, if there had been no Obama, she would have won handily, but his campaign was excellent and they didn't see it coming.

He also developed and taught the democrats how to use the internet as a social media tool rather than an extension of broadcasting the same things television shows do... if anything the 2004 Dean campaign and the 2008 Obama campaign have changed the way the media can be used to win elections.

I'll see you on twitter @brundle_fly :P

[grantcart]

11. been here for only a week and sure have a big chip on your shoulder

[wvbygod]

15. because I have never seen such hate by democrats against democrats

The attacks against my heritage has not helped either. My remarks have
not even come close to the bigotry and hatred of WV democrats that I have
seen here in the last week. Perhaps they could use some of your concern too?

[grantcart]

16. now your lecturing too

[crankychatter]

14. SD usurpation or illegitimately seating FL and MI will assure a loss in November

that's that

there is no "out of here"

register voters and hope the preponderance of these supposed Clinton supporters (GOP assholes) online are NOT representative of the general public.

edit to add... the war profiteer owned cnn is obviously in the bag for Clinton... that's why they keep MAKING ISSUES where none really exist

these fuckers have unlimited resources

NOT.THIS.TIME

[TahitiNut]

17. OK! Let's!

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. gobble gobble

[blitzen]

19. Okay...I have a great recipe for Turkey Tonnato

You poach a turkey breast and make a kind of "faux" Veal Tonnato....Yummy, especially if you can find oversized capers as a garnish.

And, by the way, I totally agree with you--Obama will be and desrves to be the nominee!