Cue the Racism! Watch this board fill up with That as the Talking Point. But Whose you may ask..

[symbolman]

Here it comes, the major talking point thats been slithering under the surface will rise like an Evil bastard child of Mankind today, and fill this board with Hate and great gnashing of the Teeth..

Just make sure you watch, pay attention to WHO brings it Up!!

I hate seeing this pushed, but some desperate people have no other options..

It will sicken many hearts today, a dark cloud comes..

[Frustratedlady]

1. Well, we need to figure out how to stop it. Right?

Obama and Michelle can't do it alone. There are enough people on this board that can surely come up with enough ideas to squelch this horrid rhetoric. If "they" can bring him down by spewing hate and lies, can't "we" come up with an effective message to refute the lies and change attitudes?

I can't believe there is that much hate left in the U.S.

[symbolman]

3. I thought the best thing I'd ever seen on this subject

was a black sheriff in LA who upon hearing that the KKK were going to march urged Everyone NOT to come, at All..

With no one to fight them they'd look totally ridiculous.

Maybe the best thing to do here is to NOT Post or Argue with supposed or obvious Racism..

Let them OUT themselves and the thread DIE from lack of interest..

Post something positive elsewhere :)

[knixphan]

10. good one

take oxygen away from fire...

[symbolman]

19. Exactly!

Great metaphor :)

[stillcool]

39. I tell myself that all the time...

and then end up participating in, and propagating the shit. It seems that I need reminding every day that I am part of the problem. Thanks for being my reminder for today!!:toast:

[symbolman]

50. Man, do I know that..

I wonder how many people feel actual SHAME after they post.. you just PUSH that damn button and you've TRASHED another Human Being.. someone you KNOW in your heart does NOT get what you are saying.. it's too easy to post and then blow off your feelings about it..

If we had a Big DU Blowout PARTY we'd meet some of these people face to face, and that's when it HITS YOU, that these are REAL PEOPLE you are responding to, not some computer program there to piss you off :)

Thanks for reminding ME, that I'm part of the Problem as well.. :)

[Life Long Dem]

68. If we talked bout it, we'd probably find that

racism will not stand in the way when it comes down to it.
It comes down to whether having another Republican in the White House - who is said to be giving Bush a third term and who will set back our country more than Bush has already done - and whether it is worth it or not to a racist.

[symbolman]

72. Agreed!

One thing I've learned is that Passion and Logic don't exist in the same space.. when Passion kicks in the Logic goes out the window, and it's just Human nature, once you realize it in yourself you can work towards cooling down so you can use the Logic circuit..

Screaming at my broken car doesn't "fix it", I've got to cool off so I can use the part of my brain that says, "Well, THAT'S not the Problem, maybe THIS is.."

There's plenty of Passion Juice squirting all around here, just people being people, but I think deep in their heart of hearts, they really may "think" differently :)

[WeDidIt]

4. I just use alert n/t

[symbolman]

6. The Mods are always too busy, and its gonna come hard and fast..

I say, DON'T Engage the threads, at All..

Let them go down in infamy..

[symbolman]

2. I'm seeing Six threads throbbing away on this vile subject so far..

and the WV vote hasn't even begun..

[SIMPLYB1980]

5. If the Obama supporters hadn't started calling Clinton supporters racist,

before SC this would not be a problem. Just to good of a political tool for them to use as a club against a fellow Democrat to gain political power. I don't like it, but like they say about Clinton, he brought it on himself.

A Clinton supporter who will vote for Obama.

[jgraz]

7. Yes, it's the black guy's fault that there's racism.

If only he weren't so uppity ... I mean ... elitist.

[SIMPLYB1980]

12. I didn't say that, but believe what you want.

It's his fault as a politician and the fault of some of his supporters. I hope he can heal this rift, but doubt he can without Clinton's help. I don't deny that their is racism in this country, but it's not coming from Clinton. I know you will never see it my way, but the willingness of some Obama supporters to call Clinton supporters racist not just on the internet and GDP, but in real life, is the cause of this split.

[jgraz]

80. You're blaming Obama and his supporters for calling the Clintons on their race-baiting

Tell me, which Obama supporter caused Hillary to talk about "hard-working Americans, white Americans"?

[BlooInBloo]

Clinton supporters are counting on White Unity to shut up all criticism of WV/KY's racism on DU....

And it might work - who knows?

[Bake]

62. Once again, an Obama supporter uses "uppity."

Why is it that it is ALWAYS - I repeat, ALWAYS - the Obama supporters who use "uppity?" I have never once - not one time - seen an HRC supporter use the word "uppity."

Bake

[jgraz]

79. Because Hillary is too sly to use it directly

But she'll happily dogwhistle to racists using the "elitist" attack. It allows her and, apparently, many of her supporters to continue the "who me, racist?" façade.

[Bake]

81. That's bullshit. "Elitist" in no way translates to "uppity."

But you'd just LOVE for one of us to throw that word out there, so much so that you can't wait for it ... you go ahead and say it yourself and just attribute it to us.

There's some hope and change we can believe in! Riiiiiiiiight.

Bake

[jgraz]

83. OK, you just keep telling yourself that

I bet you also believe Bill's "Jesse Jackson" comments had nothing to do with race and that when Hillary said "hard working Americans, white Americans", she was just making an innocent comment about political demographics.


And those guys in sheets were just burning that cross because the black family looked chilly...

[symbolman]

84. Hey!

Why don't you two get a room? :)

Seriously, why not just flip a coin over who "started" it and agree to the toss? Who cares at this point? The amount of nasty rolling out of your mouths probably wouldn't mean much if you sat down and had a beer or whatever.. You'd probably have more in common than you'd think, for one thing you BOTH want McCain OUT right?

My Uncle used to say, "A year from now you'll wonder why you wasted all that Adrenalin.."

So put your minds into the "year from now" mode Ahead of time, and get over it already :)

[Marrah_G]

8. I've watched, I've paid attention, Yes I see who keeps bringing it up.

Slowly, but surely, I'm putting those people back on ignore.

Somehow I doubt they are the people you thought would be the ones bringing it up.

[xultar]

13. Most of the threads are started by Obama supporters. The OP reads the thread subjects only.

ROFL.

[Marrah_G]

22. Yup

I cleared my ignore list when I came back a few weeks ago. I've just started to fill it back up again.

I'm putting the authors of every single race-baiting thread/post on ignore today and not surprisingly most are those who claim to be Obama supporters.

[JuniperLea]

36. Funny, as I wrote my response to the OP

I was thinking, I'm not mentioning either camp, but what I'm saying should hold true for all. I was hoping it would shine a little light in the dim area that seems to be missed here... by some of us anyway;)

[harun]

90. I'm sure they're heartbroken to lose your attention (n/t)

[symbolman]

9. Im not going to be drawn into bullshit that needs to crawl back under its rock..

show some class and Dont use that word, no matter Who you might think "started it"..

No engagement.

[Frustratedlady]

14. Well, if Barack and Michelle can let it slide off their backs, I guess I can too.

It just hurts me to see them go through this. I guess I'm mothering them, eh?

I will take the higher road.

[symbolman]

20. Good on YOU!

Mothering them :)

Yeah, he's got a great way with it, like that wonderful speech he gave, took the bull by the horns..

Thanks!

[knixphan]

30. we're taking that road -

straight to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20500.

[symbolman]

34. Yep

that's the high road I want to take :)

No Engagement

[Bake]

63. Really? Then what was the point of your OP?

Looks to me like an attempt at "pre-emptive engagement."

Bake

[symbolman]

65. Well

if all the TRUE democrats, who I don't Believe are Racist, or want anything to do with it, MOVE AWAY from it, then the TROLLS will become apparent, don't you think? is that what you mean by "pre-emptive engagement"?

The Racist threads were/are stacking up.. the ooze is going to slime us all.. and I say again, WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT..

I've been here for about 7 years now, and most of the DU'rs are Great people, who are Progressive, want a better world, etc, and I don't see them going for the Garbage, when they've always gone for the Gusto, fighting the RIGHT, not the LEFT..

[Bake]

82. Which racist threads are you talking about?

The multitude of threads started by Obama supporters, that call WV/KY voters racists?

Bake

[xultar]

15. WTF are you talking about?

rofl.

[NashVegas]

44. "That" Word? Who's Using THAT Word, Symbolman?

[symbolman]

51. That word is Racism

just like those other "that" words that harm both people when used, and don't elevate the human condition and mutual respect and admiration that actually DOES make this a better world :)

[NashVegas]

54. Thanks for Clarifying

[symbolman]

56. Hey, look how we're getting along!

Quick, turn to the one on your right, and HUG your neighbor!

Then, pass their wallet over to Me.. :)

[Marrah_G]

58. No Way! I am standing next to Monkey Funk!

Do you KNOW what Monkey Funk smells like after he's been jumping around all morning? YOU hug him!






(hehe, j/k, love you MF!)

[symbolman]

60. Hard to find the wallet

in a monkey suit too.. :)


I'm more worried about those Damned Dirty Apes taking over..

[Marrah_G]

61. Or even worse.....

It's not a suit!

You don't wanna know where he keeps his wallet............


~screams and runs~

[symbolman]

64. LOL

Lets take up a donation and see if we can get him some DU t-shirts...and.. uh, Pants.. DU Pants.. they got those in the giftshop here?

DU Body Spray that makes the DU ladies go ape?

Come back now Marrah_G, we got people to FIX here.. before those damned dirty apes get into office, I saw a silverback on TV this morning talking about going All GREEN on us in Oregon.. some say he's crashed through 5 Trees, and they call him an ACE, because he always lands on his head.. oops, the media says, his FEET..

my mistake..

Heh, they're trying to foist a Silverback on us, after a CHIMP!

[Marrah_G]

66. I'm back Symbolman

A bit beat up, but I am here. I'll be fighting next to you for the GE. Ain't now way that Silverback is getting into the WH. Besides, he would just have accidents on the furniture daily.

[symbolman]

69. I've been watching for the Depends

But they'll just spin it as, "My Friends, thanks to technology I now have the ability to void my colon and not miss a minute of those important Cabinet meetings.. as a matter of fact, I'm Voiding my Colon Right NOW.."

Ewww... but it beats getting it on the furniture :)

[Marrah_G]

71. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I just threw up a little.....thanks!

Just for that, you get to stand next to the Funky Monkey now!

[symbolman]

73. Hell, I just may smell Funny to him too!

But I'd better quit "bagging" on him, even tho I'm joking with you, he may not appreciate ME saying anything like that, I assume you're friends with him, and I barely know him :)

[Marrah_G]

76. Nah- MF has a great sense of humor !

[rug]

11. What are you talking about?

[symbolman]

17. The Racism threads are going to Pump here today..

It will be a major topic in the media, and those who want it will Push it hard.. it's happening already, I'm saying be ready for it and Don't Engage those people..

And I'm asking those backing Both Candidates to let those kind of threads die out..

[rug]

21. Truthfully, most of the posts I've seen so far are accusing West Virginia voters of being racist.

[xultar]

26. Taking wait and see approach.

[Marrah_G]

32. I think I was wrong

I think the OP is appealing to people of both sides not to fall into this trap today. I originally thought he was pointing a finger at Hillary supporters, but that could be because I my nerves when it comes to the topic are frayed. I jumped to the wrong conclusion.

What I believe he is saying is that alot of people are going to try and make today about race and that DU should ignore these threads and posters and not fall into the divisive trap people are attempting to herd us into.

Just my two cents hun :)

~smootches~

[symbolman]

37. Yep

Just for laughs, let's let the racist shit go bye bye on the DU...

And I am appealing to both sides.

[xultar]

40. I'll follow your lead and go back into my hole. TTYL but maybe not on DU.

[Marrah_G]

49. Okay !

~hugs and stuff~

TTYL

[Marrah_G]

24. I have an even better plan

They are all going on ignore, no matter who they support.

[symbolman]

25. I LIKE it!

No Engagement there either.. make it Invisible.. an Illusion..

Just let that word be vile enough that it should not be used by anyone, but assume you can't Control Anyone Either - it's like when my three year old says FUCK because he knows it gets a rise out of my wife and I (god knows where he heard it), so I just told her one day, "Lets just ignore it.."

and it went AWAY :)

[shomino]

28. Yep, you're right.. let's just pretend racism isn't there and it will go away.

Do you understand how ridiculous a statement that is? Do you think that the civil rights movement of the 60's, that the people marching , being beaten, and being firehosed were "ignoring" the situation and that's why it got better?

The only way to eliminate racism is to expose it and fight it openly. Burying your head in the sand is not going to solve anything.

[symbolman]

31. Please read

Post #3

[shomino]

55. Your intentions are admirable...

The problem is that this is something that has been brewing under the surface of the U.S. for a long time... We have chosen a candidate who would have been forced to sit in the back of the bus in 1960, less than 50 years ago. Those people who turned the firehoses on the civil rights marchers and beat them with batons are still alive, and voting no less.

Like it or not, this is going to be a cancer of our society that will be exposed by his candidacy.. and some very difficult decisions and discussions are going to happen. I wish it would be as easy as simply not addressing the problem, but I'm afraid that is not going to solve it.

DU is not the only place that racism is going to be brought up as an issue. It will simply reflect the rest of the country.

[symbolman]

59. I'm just saying that since it's SO HOT in here today

and since tension is so high, that while the house is burning down, it's not the time to throw flares at each other :)

Yeah, it may never go away, but I'm glad that since I was a kid there are more "Honey" colored people, and mixed marriages, etc.. I'm hoping that in the future if we ever get past this altogether, that the only color we'll be arguing about is the color of our shoes, whether they match or not. :)

Thanks!

[JuniperLea]

45. You clearly don't get how hate works

Hate only grows when it is fed. Arguing against it feeds the beast and makes it grow larger. Arguing against it makes it appear worthy of debate, it is not. This isn't about merely ignoring racism, this is about keeping it from having a voice and keeping it from being fed. We need to treat it as the useless, childish, hateful thing it is. It's not worthy.

[JuniperLea]

41. Outside of a few people I've known here for a while...

I'm doing the same thing. I just know things will change... fingers crossed.


I was joking with my b/f about "compliance gas" that is released just before we all wake up in the morning... as crazy as that sounds, I really can't think of a good explanation for what I'm seeing here.

[NashVegas]

46. I Can Only Assume You Are Speaking of the X% of West Virginians Who Are Going to Be Called Racists

Who hide their white sheets in the coal mines, yes?

[Texas Hill Country]

16. i have only seen Obama supporters bring up racism here tbh

perhaps i missed a few hillary supporters, but it seems to be quite the Obama supporter talking point.

[xultar]

27. DING DING DING. But watch it fall on deaf ears.

[Texas Hill Country]

38. of course, the cognitive dissonance here is AMAZING.

[symbolman]

18. Told you

Here it comes..

Thanks to those taking the higher road and ignoring those pushing it :)

[JuniperLea]

33. Hide thread works great

And it keeps me from being tempted when I read stupid shit. I've been using it a lot lately. At the first sign of bigotry or hate of any kind against whomever, I hide the sick puppy. Life is too short to be reading the vile pukings of haters. There is too much positive work to be done. All this hate is divisive, and it shouldn't be fed.

[cici4691]

23. It's laying the foundation to explain a big loss in WV and scare SDs into falling into line...

Do you think many SDs will want to come out for Clinton after a whopping 'racially' motivated win in WV?

Hell no, they won't want to be aligned with 'racists' who are voting against Obama as much as they are for Clinton. Thus, much of the commentary over the next few days will be dissecting and lamenting the white racists that will never support Obama by those who do.

The tactic is designed to prod those undecideds into supporting Obama for fear of being considered 'one of them.'

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

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[Marrah_G]

35. "honky fucks" yeah you are part of the solution

[Name removed]

43. Deleted message

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[NashVegas]

52. Where On DU Are There Hillary Clinton Supporters Saying They'll Never Vote for a Black Man?

It would really be helpful if you can point that out, so we can all alert on it.

Thanks.

[truebrit71]

57. Where did I say that they said it on DU?

I was referring to the reports coming in from the field in WV...

Trust me, I would alert the shit out of that if I saw it here too...

[symbolman]

42. Don't let people BAIT YOU into stooping to their level

they may even be paid for it, don't give them the satisfaction..

I don't believe that Democrats are Racist, at least people on the DU, and so instead of letting some twisted people suck us all into the void, let's just NOT ANSWER THEM.

Make a cup of coffee, pet the cat, scroll to another thread.

NO Engagement.

WE are BETTER THAN THAT.

[izzybeans]

47. Oh noes.

:cry:

[Adelante]

48. It's become a fixation on both sides

The brightest of shiny objects. A dismal state of affairs. I hate everybody today no matter what color they are or which candidate they support. I'm getting out of here for a few days. I'm just sick of it all.

Good luck with your effort :hi:

[symbolman]

53. Yep

It can turn into a game of "Button, button, who's got the Button?" - Only the Button is NUCLEAR, and wastes us ALL..

People really ARE BETTER THAN THAT.. if we aren't then we're truely and royally fucked all down the line..

Let's try and get back together again as the primaries run out, and maybe just for an experiment we can pick ONE WORD/CONCEPT, and let it DIE OUT.

If we try, then we'll ALL be able to tell WHO the TROLLS ARE, Folks! :)

[symbolman]

67. If you've read all the way to the end of this thread

let me ask you to do us all a favor..

Go into any thread that's oozing with racism, and tell people there to "NOT ENGAGE" on that thread.. let's not Scrap with each other for a while, on ONE Subject at least, something I think we can all agree on.. people of Both candidates..

If we do this, we'll boil down the soup to where we can see the bones (Trolls) and not ALL choke on them.. :)

Thanks if you will, maybe we can save a lot of respect and all go after the real enemy, which is the Media, whose job it is to Divide and Conquer us, by telling us things that pit us against each other.. and it works.. if we let it.

[opihimoimoi]

75. Them Pubs like to distract with BS Minutiae Moot Shit....they are trying to divide us w crap

Thats all they ever do for they have no real ideas propelling us into the future...

:hi: Mike...long time man...

:toast:

[symbolman]

77. Hey my main man!

Howzit Brudda?

You know someone wants house on my Island? I sell CHEAP..

Then I come your house, we grind, we party, we wish for Old Silverback to not come after Chimp in White House :)

You No Ka OI!

[opihimoimoi]

89. LOL, Forget bout McSane...he ain't gonna go nowheres..not with him sucking Bushies ass daily

Only way for him to win is to cheat.

[NJmaverick]

70. Hillary already brought it up with her- vote for me, because I'm white, pleas

[Terran]

74. Your post isn't clear to me.

Are you referring to alleged racism/race baiting by the HRC campaign? or racism among the general populace as it affects the GE?

If the former, to me that issue is now irrelevant; we have our candidate.

If the latter, racism needs to be discussed as a real factor and not dismissed as a ploy to gain sympathy.

[symbolman]

78. H2OMan's latest post is worthwhile

COME TOGETHER..

As Corny as some of the Beatle stuff may sound these days, there's one item they pushed that is still as valid, even more so..

And that is the Love Quotient.. "The Love you Take is Equal to the Love you MAKE.."

Or as One of my characters said in my book, "If we don't all start Loving each other, we're All going to DIE.."

There's an AA person there that's totally down about all the racism threads today, he makes a good case, check it out, each of us is hurt by the Racist bullshit flying around.. let's end SOME of the pain in this place, it's got to start somewhere..

:)

[demobabe]

85. And there all the racism posts, right on cue...

...just as you said.

[symbolman]

86. Kick

for us to all take a deep breath on the Racism argument..

Let's go easy on each other!

[OneBlueSky]

87. it was inevitable . . . the U.S. has hundreds of years of racist history . . .

and to expect all that to magically disappear because one of the presidential nominees is an attractive, intelligent, well-spoken black man is fantasy . . . and DU is just as diverse as the rest of America when it comes to how we were raised and what we were "carefully taught" . . . most of us hope we've overcome the worst of that training as we've matured, but it's still there, even if it's below the surface and unacknowledged . . .

both overtly and covertly, Obama's race will become an overriding issue of the 2008 campaign -- if it hasn't already . . . personally, I feel that the country has changed sufficiently that a black candidate can win the popular vote, and against someone like McCain probably by a significant margin . . . that doesn't, however, mean that the results will be tabulated that way by the Republican corporations that have taken control of our elections . . .

it's not who votes that counts; it's who counts the votes . . .

[kwenu]

88. Gee. You seem to be so full of anticipation. What gives?

[knixphan]

91. 'Love it or leave it'...

http://www.supervilleband.com/review.html

[Major Hogwash]

92. Serenity now!

As Kramer would say.