Rasmussen: the VP slot is Hillary's if she wants it

[Alhena]

Rasmussen has a video commentary today which says that the VP spot is Hillary's if she wants it because she has the votes at the convention to make it happen.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll (see link in discussion)

Is that how the VP nominating process works- is it subject to a vote at the convention? If so, then Rasmussen is likely correct- Hillary's supporters will all vote for her, and she will only need something like 10% of Obama delegates to vote with them to have a majority for VP.

So all our discussion of whom Obama should pick may be based on a faulty premise - it may be in Hillary's hands more than Obama's.

[marylanddem]

1. This is malarky. Obama will pick who he wants for V.P. Period.

[Alhena]

2. But does the convention have to approve it? Picking is one thing, approving another

Even if Obama can deny Hillary at the convention, it will be a nasty scene for party unity if Hillary seeks and is denied the second spot. And she only needs to convince about 10% of his supporters that she should be the VP nominee.

[grantcart]

15. there is a vote for VP

if she wanted to cause a problem she could try and create a floor fight but it doesn't really make sense you can't force your way onto the ticket.

[suston96]

3. Hillary will not be a Vice President. She will be needed in the US Senate where....

...she has achieved both seniority and respect.

"The Vice-Presidency isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit". FDR Vice President John Nance Garner said that.

[invictus]

29. Hillary will be needed in the Senate by Republicans. Hillary and Joe Lieberman. n/t

[gateley]

4. Kicking because I'm interested to find out if that's how it works. nt.

[IsItJustMe]

5. All I know is that the delegates at the convention vote 'up' or 'down' on the VP nomination. That

is, in modern times, who the presidential nominee has choosen.

Arm twisting also goes on at conventions, and all types of other strange things, so I would not totally count it out.

[DJ13]

6. The DC elites are sh!tting bricks, Clinton wasnt supposed to lose

They dont trust Obama, he's too new to have been corrupted by business as usual, and they have never trusted McCain as he's seen as someone who only looks out for himself.

Their only way left to keep some semblance of power is by trying to force Obama to accept Hillary as VP.

They're hoping the Cheney model has given the VP enough power to maintain a check on Obama to prevent him from undoing the pro-corporate policies that they've enacted over the last 30 years.

[Bullet1987]

18. I can envision Clinton supporters in the DLC and elsewhere

trying to force Obama to have her as VP.

[DemVet]

7. No...she should wait until 2012 for the top spot

[suston96]

11. In 1956 there was a fight for the VP between John Kennedy and Estes Kefauver....

...when Stevenson was nominated for President, he threw the nomination for Vice-President to the convention.

http://www.chicagohs.org/history/politics/1956.html

[Skip Intro]

22. I agree.

[Joe the Revelator]

27. Her chances in 2012 are now slim and none

And with recent polling, Slim just packed up his shit and left town.

[bunnies]

8. Picture that.

Obama choses a VP... then Hillary forces herself onto the ticket. Brilliant idea. :eyes:

[frickaline]

9. I go by this rule of thumb ...

Anything Novak says, believe the opposite.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_robert_d_novak/michelle_vetoes_hillary

[Historic NY]

10. I would think that it would end up that way after several ballots....

it would be a compromise, very similar to Kennedy & Johnson, Raygun & Shrub 1.

The main question is could they work together?

Are their interests the same?

Is it in the Democratic Party's interests to have them team together?

Is it in the BEST interest of the country that they come together?

Can they mend the fences so trampled on in the primary season?

Will it work?

How do 2 people with strong personalities work together w/o the 2nd fiddle trying to upstage the first?

There is a lot of work to be done in order for the offer to be proffered.

Will it work? Can it work?

[windbreeze]

26. After reading the questions...I think NO is the answer...to all of them...

I don't see this being good for either of them...how about a disaster in the making that leads to a Rep in 2012??..would it be worth it if that happens???

[Raven]

12. Clinton would be very wise not to take VP. This will not be good for her

career. If Obama ends up to be a one term president it will be because the voters are disillusioned by the Democrats and are angry that Obama couldn't fix all the awful problems we have fast enough. If Hillary is his VP, she will be tainted by this. If Obama gets 2 terms and she is in second position, she will always be seen as a second. Hillary would be better advised to go back to the Senate, work her ass off and make a name for HERSELF, not Bill, HERSELF. In the meantime, she ought to think about giving hubby the boot.

[enid602]

14. Hill

I don't know; there's so much to be done, I really think Obama will need the help not just of Hillary, but of all the other contenders and top dem politicians as well. If this next admin can't get it right, I think our downfall will accelerate. If Hill's destiny were to play the lesser role in an admin that managed to turn things around, that's not peanuts.

[Raven]

16. You make very good points. I guess it's up to her to find a constructive

role in the next administration. I do agree with you that we don't have many more chances left to make it right!

[saltpoint]

13. My hunch is that the traditional mechanism will hold -- that the convention

will honor the request of the nominee for the vice presidential nominee.

That does not in and of itself preclude a floor fight or at least some elbowing under the basket, but at that point in the game, Barack Obama will be at the control panel.

[IDemo]

17. I don't think Nuclear Option.3.12.A is a worry

While the convention may have the authority to overrule Obama on his choice, the likelihood they will just isn't there. He is the one in the driver's seat.

[AtomicKitten]

19. Ah, no thanks.

[emilyg]

23. What you want is not important.

What's best for the party is important.

[Joe the Revelator]

28. Having Hillary anywhere near the ticket is a disaster for the party

We really don't need race baiting, ego maniacal old politics near a change candidate.

[crankychatter]

20. If Obama fails to get enough delegates, then this can be a bargaining chip

but there is no forcing her way on... either Obama campaign would accept her delegates in trade for the VP slot or he wouldn't

I think SDs will make it a zero possibility before convention

mho... at least that's the RIGHT thing to do... stop a floor fight... with overwhelming numbers... it's apparently, the only way to make her sit down.

[bigdarryl]

21. Rasmussen is full of SHIT look at this article and see why she will not be picked

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_robert_d_novak/michelle_vetoes_hillary
Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.

[reflection]

24. Interesting.

I never thought about the possiblity that Hillary could force Obama's hand at the convention. I can't imagine why anyone would want to force themselves into a surrogate spot, but then again there's a lot about this campaign season I didn't understand.
:think:

[invictus]

25. I would not vote for the ticket if Hillary is on it. Neither will a lot of progressives ...

... and independents. The Republicans would love for Hillary to be on the ticket. It would be a gift to their cause. The Republicans would rally behind McCain and end his financing problems. Picking Hillary as VP would ensure a loss in November.

[ccharles000]

30. I hope Hillary is his Vp.

[VotesForWomen]

31. if O is smart he'll pick her, but hill shoudn't take it, because she'll be tainted by his loss.

[rocktivity]

32. Direct link

By Robert Novak? Consider the source...

:boring:
rocknation