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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:13 PM
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Huff Post: Big Rewards Await Clinton If She Ends Her Campaign Now
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/big-rewards-await-clinton_n_100694.html

She has ruled it out, but a prompt withdrawal from the contest for the Democratic nomination offers Sen. Hillary Clinton the prospect of major rewards.

One of the most inviting is the near certainty that the Obama campaign would agree to pay back the $11.4 million she has loaned her own bid, along with an estimated $10 million to $15 million in unpaid campaign expenses.

In addition, Democrats, both those who are loyal and those who are opposed to her campaign, say the odds of her winning a top leadership spot in the Senate would improve dramatically if she gracefully conceded now. The icing on the cake includes an improved political climate, giving Hillary and Bill Clinton the opportunity to heal the rift with the black political community.

"If she leaves the stage gracefully, as Gore did in 2000, she will be able to rebuild her political capital within the party fairly quickly, and over time most of her perceived and real sins will be long forgiven and/or forgotten," said Dan Gerstein, a Democratic consultant and Obama supporter.

While Clinton currently has her eye focused on only one thing, the presidential nomination, if she loses -- as appears increasingly likely -- her stature in the Senate will depend, in part, on whether she is ultimately seen as helping or hurting Obama's chances in November.

That stature, in turn, will be crucial in determining her success if she decides to try to climb the Senate leadership ladder. This year, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada faces what could prove to be a tough re-election fight.

Brookings scholar Tom Mann contends that for Clinton to emerge from the contest without severe wounds, one path might be to redirect the main thrust of her presidential bid away from attacks on Obama to a focus on John McCain.

"Clinton's status in the Democratic party will be enhanced if she finds a timely and honorable way to become a strong supporter of an Obama-led ticket in the general election. She can do that by remaining in the race but directing all of her campaign rhetoric against John McCain or by suspending her campaign immediately."

At the moment, Clinton shows no signs of quitting. In West Virginia Wednesday morning, she told reporters: "I'm staying in this race until there's a nominee. And I obviously am going to work as hard as I can to become that nominee....I believe I would be a stronger candidate against Sen McCain, and I believe I would be the best President among the three of us running."

In a Wednesday afternoon fundraising email, Clinton declared, "Today, in every way that I know how, I am expressing my personal determination to keep forging forward in this campaign."

On the money front, it is not uncommon for winning presidential campaigns to pick up some or all of a competitor's debts and obligations, although the size of Clinton's debt and her personal loans to her campaign are unprecedented - somewhere over and above $20 million.

The Clintons have made a total of $109 million since Bill Clinton left the White House in January 2001. This year, however, he has had to cut back on his hugely lucrative speech-making, and sources close to the Clintons say they are not in a financial position to keep investing millions into her bid.

While both Obama and Clinton have broken all Democratic fundraising records, once one of them become the de facto nominee, the floodgates are expected to open even further, as Democratic donors this year are intent on victory.

In addition to an expected tidal wave of cash to the nominee to finance the general election campaign, the Democratic National Committee, which has been struggling financially, will undoubtedly see a repeat of 2004, when it raised an unprecedented $300 million after John Kerry became the undisputed nominee.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:15 PM
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1. Wow - so they're over 20M in debt? Ouch.
And that is just growing as she continues traveling around.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:26 PM
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15. That's like half a book deal, plus maybe an extra speaking engagement thrown in.
They'll make back the $20m in due time. It's not that big a amount to people like them. They've made America a better place--it's no scandal that they've earned a little plot on easy street for the next few years
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:00 PM
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34. Alternatively, her blue collar supporters could have fish frys, baked sales, car washes
to help that fat cat millionairess and financially inept campaign manager extraordinaire pay off her debts.

Seriously, come Jan. 1st, 2009, all of her fat cat donors/lobbyist donors can donate another maximum amount for the new year. It's disgusting that with the Clintons' personal wealth they have continued to stiff so many small businesses for their campaign debts - particularly in the current economic climate where banks are refusing to roll over loans to small businesses.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:15 PM
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2. Let her stay in and become our own Baghdad Bob. nt
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:16 PM
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3. Just give her the VP spot
Barack will forgive her.

Michelle probably won't...but, oh well.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:23 PM
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9. never...
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:23 PM
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10. HRC 4 VP =
:puke:
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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:27 PM
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18. No VP slot and NO debt payment...
Edited on Wed May-07-08 06:31 PM by jordi_fanclub
Isn't "only" $20 millions of debts (and divisions!)
It's also the OBAMAnation last 2-months of time AND money.

FORGET and... MoveOn!!! :grr:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:36 PM
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23. Yes indeed
We are winning.....:rofl:
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:19 PM
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4. Anything to get her to stop throwing rocks at the party.
Edited on Wed May-07-08 06:20 PM by Life Long Dem
I don't think it's about winning. I think it's about Obama not winning. She stays in with no chance of winning with no intention of going to the convention to win. But only to go to the convention to keep the party divided. This way McSame could win.

On edit: Anything except the VP position. Please!
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:22 PM
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7. She's said she will work her heart out for Senator Obama.
I believe her.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:45 PM
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29. Did you believe her when she said it is all about the delegates?
Or when she said MI and FL didn't matter?
Or when she said 2025 is the "magic number?"

I find it hard to believe anything she says lately.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:08 PM
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38. That qualifies as the 4th most common lie, after: The check is in the mail
Sure, I love you, baby; and of course, I won't _____in your ______.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:23 PM
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8. I'm reminded of my old Guvnuh here
Mitt Romney was elected as a (*cough* *cough*) moderate Republican governor. Aside from his EPIC FAIL at being a governor, he then went on to fund raise, and launch his bid for the Presidency by making the state he governed the butt of his jokes.

It's kinda like that.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:21 PM
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5. that looks like a dream sheet by Hillary, floated as a trial balloon
First, Obama is not going to spend $11 mil of campaign money to see that she and Bill get paid back on their loan. Why would he? Unless she is 100% supportive throughout the campaign, he shouldn't help her with the debt. And even then, he should make her wait until he's elected president to help her with the debt.

Second, Hillary has done herself a lot more damage than can be fixed this year. She will never heal the wounds she inflicted on the black community. Her rep in the senate is not a good one. She's all about Hillary, all the time.

Her path back is to be a good loser, to support the party, to support Obama, to hope like hell he wins, and to look forward to mending fences AFTER Obama has won the presidency. She has been excessive in every sense of the word, and she's going to have to win her way back over time. She does not set terms. She has no bargaining power. In a month, her base inside the party will have been eroded to a few dozens old loyalists. Everyone else is moving on, without her.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:22 PM
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6. I sure wouldn't want money I donated to go to pay hillary's bills...
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:24 PM
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13. I'm not too keen on the idea either
and I don't believe you can be nice to vipers without getting bitten.

I scrimped too hard for the money I sent him to bail out someone as reckless as Clinton but if that's what he wants to do, I'll live with it.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:26 PM
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14. Same here. I'm holding off on donating more for that very reason. nt
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:48 PM
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31. I emailed the Obama campaign my reactions.
I think this "Great Expectation" of Obama paying off her debt is just another one of the Big Lies for which the Clintons are infamous, and I doubt that Obama would ever give in to this blatant attempt to blackmail him. But he should confront this attempt to extort from his campaign the donations of many supporters. There is NO precedent for a primary winner paying off the debts of a primary loser. Senator Dodd endorsed Senator Obama, and Senator Dodd is working hard to raise money to pay off his own debts.

Senator John Glenn, a true American hero, took out various bankloans to support his unsuccessful primary run for the presidency, and struggled for YEARS to pay off those debts. Sometimes a party organization, or friends of the losing candidate will do some fund raising - but those funds tend to come from fatcat donors and lobbyists.

And what kind of example would that set for future campaigns - hey, run for office and spend money like a drunken sailor (no offense, McCain), cause the winner will have to pay off your debts? Compared to other campaigns I've worked on, the Obama campaign has been very frugal with how they've spent their money, and that's one of the reasons I've been glad to make monthly donations.

Let the extremely wealthy Clintons pay off HRC's debts - many of them the result of her own inept campaign management!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:24 PM
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39. My husband also emailed the Obama campaign about it.
I hope they address the issue.

If she feels so strongly that she's the best person for the job, she should pay her own way. Heck with personal loans. Frankly, I'm offended at the idea of "rewarding" her for FUBARing her campaign. As you said, Obama bailing her out would set a terrible precedent. She has to be held responsible for her own campaign.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:37 PM
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24. my wife last night said we wont donate another dollar to Obama if he pays her bills
Edited on Wed May-07-08 06:41 PM by Egnever
I dont particularly agree with that idea but I dont much like the idea of my money going to help her tear obama down either.

I do think the poor venders she has stiffed so far do deserve to get paid though.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:24 PM
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11. I think she could be an asset to Obama if she stays in but directs her attacks at McCain
As an Obama supporter, I will admit that one of the reasons Obama was able to get as far as he did without going too negative on Clinton was because in the early stages of the primary, he had Edwards to essentially do the dirty work by going after her. She could now play that same role for him for a little while, attacking McCain while letting him take the high road. That would help to rebuild goodwill in the party, and show Democratic activists that she is willing to fight as hard against Republicans as she was against Obama. I think one of the things that has been infuriating lately has been that she seems more dedicated to beating Obama than beating the Republicans, and I think her fighting spirit would be appreciated more if she turned it against McCain instead of essentially teaming up with him against Obama, at least temporarily.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:47 PM
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30. She won't, HRC will go "on the attack" as early as tomorrow.
How many times does LUCY (HRC) have to pull that football away?
HRC's in it for HERSELF ... she's going all the WAY. She'll win the Nomination OR destroy both Obama and The Democratic Party in her attempt to get there.
It's VILE and the superdelegates NEED A SPINE ... NOW! :(
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:51 PM
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32. She can't go too negative on Obama now.
It's too risky for her now. I think if she goes too negative she risks a tidal wave of superdelegates defecting to Obama.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:24 PM
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12. Now Obama bailing her out of debt is a "near certainty" if she drops out?
Has anyone heard confirmation of this from the Obama campaign, or is this something being pushed by the media?

And I'm absolutely shocked that the candidate who mismanaged her campaign funds is the one more people chose to fix the economy. D'oh.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:26 PM
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16. I don't like that idea
I am fine with him helping her pay off some of the debt, especially the debt to the small vendors. But as an Obama donor, I don't love the idea of my hard-earned money going to pay back the loan to herself...she and Bill have made $109 million, and I don't wish any ill on them but I think there are better uses of my money than replenishing their personal fortune (or Mark Penn, for that matter).
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:27 PM
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17. Dear Barack: Call John and Al before you give the Clinton's any money.
Edited on Wed May-07-08 06:30 PM by islandmkl
Ask them how much support they got in 2000 and 2004. You might want to tie some conditions to the cash; say, 'benchmarks' for support, so to speak.

Have the Clinton's just invented a new form of political-fund blackmail?

on edit, thanks to the next post: strike blackmail, substitute EXTORTION.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:28 PM
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19. Why would Obama's campaign
be extorted to pay her bills?
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:31 PM
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20. That's just F'ed up....
so she stays in even though she has no chance, racks up even more debt...and the DNC/Obama/whoever has to pay it off!?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:32 PM
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21. Perhaps but I doubt Clinton will exit until June 3
So let us not be distracted! There is still LOTS of work to do in upcoming contests!!

PLEASE phonebank!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:36 PM
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22. Sounds like blackmail to me....n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:40 PM
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25. Heh. I'd be tempted to pay her to go away too. Don't go away mad... just go away.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:42 PM
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26. Obama should NOT pay her bills
If I wanted my money to go toward Hillary's campaign or toward Mark Penn's bloated and totally undeserved salary, I would have contributed to her.

She got herself into debt, she should be responsible for it. Why should he buy her out?

:mad:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:37 PM
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41. Maybe you should ask for a refund.
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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:42 PM
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27. REWARD a loser is half-away of BECOME a loser! (n/t)
Mainly when the loser did not desist graciously.
In this case the point was trespassed when 2 months ago
when the LOSER (now and at that time) "offer" the VP slot to Obama!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:44 PM
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28. She doesn't have the GRACE or HUMBLENESS to do so ... EVER! HRC's a true MEGALOMANIAC.
:thumbsdown:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:59 PM
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33. I think Obama paying Hillary's bills will only give ammunition to the GOP.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:01 PM
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35. Yeah, but anybody who ever watched the show knows Door #2 ALWAYS had the goat behind it.
Edited on Wed May-07-08 07:01 PM by Jamastiene
NO deal.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:02 PM
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36. wow, he is trying to pay her off to get her out of the election.
What change and hope that gives us.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:03 PM
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37. This isa trial balloon of blackmail/extortion floated by an HRC supporter, Edsell
There is NO link that Obama or anyone in his campaign is even remotely considering this
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:26 PM
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40. Get OUT, Hillary! And we AIN'T BUYING YOUR BUS TICKET, EITHER!


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