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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:47 AM
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Not recognizing that the fight is lost and continuing fighting on to the detriment of those
you represent and are supposed to lead is a very selfish and bad thing. We rail against George W. Bush and his Administration when he does it in Iraq, but we are supposed to turn a blind eye when Hillary does it in the Dem. Primary? She could very well cost us the GE, if she continues on this course. If she can't recognize, or worse - if she does and just doesn't care how the hell are we ever supposed to get out of Iraq with leadership like this? It just seems to me that it is time for all Democrats to come together and support the presumptive nominee and work together to defeat McCain and start focusing on the real issues that are facing this country today. There a lot of them and some are very scary and need us all to attack them head on. Just my two cents.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:53 AM
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1. What if Kerry hadn't given up?
Or Al Gore?

I seem to remember it was the pugs that were saying give up, for the good of the country.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:01 AM
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2. Big difference there..BOTH of those guys had WON their respective elections...
Edited on Wed May-07-08 11:20 AM by truebrit71
...and that is certainly NOT the case with HRC...
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hill_win_2008 Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:10 AM
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6. Same with Obama
He hasn't won either.

I know I know, you are gonna jump all over me and say "She CAN'T win" blah blah. Then I'll turn around and say "He CAN'T either" blah blah.

I'm just replying to your post about Hillar not being the nominee.

I mean this is not the Repug side for instance: suppose people said to Ron Paul: you have to drop out. Well, guess what, he truly is WAY behind and CAN'T win. Not the same on our side.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:30 PM
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12. Um, yes, he has.
This fantasy that the election is somehow a draw and everything is equal is just that--a fantasy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:15 AM
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9. When Gore FIRST conceded on election night he believed Bush was 50,000 votes ahead
and that he did NOT have the math. Then the numbers changed and he HAD the math with him. He unconceded.

When Kerry conceded the vote was down 130,000 and he did not HAVE the math to continue a legal case. And we know now that Carville tipped off the WH on election night to the provisional ballots Kerry would have used to contest, and that number dropped by 100,000 making it impossible for Kerry to make up the difference without a whistleblower stepping forward.

When the MATH is against you, there is no choice unless you have tangible legal evidence of election fraud. Hillary has not had the math with her since shortly after Super Tuesday and she has known this, along with the entire corporate media, but continued anyway.


She opened every door possible for GOP to attack Obama - including on race.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:03 AM
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3. She needs a time table for withdrawal-nt
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:06 AM
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5. LOL - She Has To Be As Careful Withdrawing As She Was Careless Getting In.....nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:16 AM
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10. heh...you guys are cracking me up...
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:05 AM
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4. How Right - If Hillary Is Pushing On And Planning Ahead For 2012 Then.....
she is hoping for a McCain win over Obama. With a McCain win - we get in no uncertain terms - a third Bush presidency and a continuation of this God awful so-called war. More of our troops will die. More of our money will be spent at the expense of infrastructure, health care, etc.

So - Hillary and her ambitions - is basically telegraphing - that she doesn't care if this war continues for 4 more years.

Hillary supporters - if this is what you want - then so be it - continue to support Hillary. If you really and truly want to put an end to this war and to this insane last 8 years then please ask your candidate to withdraw while at we have a chance to defeat McCain.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:11 AM
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7. I think she'll be out this week
maybe she'll wait 'til after KY and WV. But give her a chance, geez.

I think today is the first day that calls for her to drop out make any sense.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:12 AM
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8. HR Quixote?
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:17 AM
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11. perfect.
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