Isn't it time to take the high road and be the first to knock the crap off?

[JuniperLea]

Stop the hating, please.

Don't wait for Obama supporters to do it first; don't wait for Clinton supporters to do it first. The time has come to show how intelligent, mature, and respectful DUers can be and to begin the healing process by extending the olive branch without shitting on it first.

"We" will all need "us" during the GE. It's time to stop dunking pigtails in inkwells. It's time to stop with the "I know you are but what am I" and "But Johnny did it first."

Can we please start focusing any lingering negativity at McCain, where it is rightfully deserved?

Do you really want four more years? I don't give a flying rat's ass who wins the nomination. I just care about the party.

[burythehatchet]

1. Remember, there are core "community" members at DU and there are others

for whom this community is simply a platform to foment hate. This will only pass when the nomination is officially settled, but I agree with your sentiment.

[JuniperLea]

5. Your post reminded me of this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5839953&mesg_id=5840927

There is a subtle psychology showing here, methinks.

I've been here since 2002 and I thought I'd seen it all... not in the least!

[AspenRose]

2. "Extending the olive branch without shitting on it first"

Very well said

[JuniperLea]

8. I wish I could remember the DUer who said something similar

Because I have unabashedly stolen that little tidbit! I would give credit if I could. It truly is brilliant.

[Political Heretic]

10. I'm still laughing at the "jingoistic flag-humpers" line from a DU last week..

...can't remember who said that but I kills me.

[JuniperLea]

13. Oh damn! That sounds killer!

Wish I'd seen that one... heh!

[noel711]

3. Thanks Juni...

It's time for the adults to stand up and do an 'a-hem!"

Politics is for grown ups..
no matter how many mashed potatoes get flung across the
dining room table, that behavior doesn't behoove the changes
our country desperately needs. (hey, we've had a middle-schooler
in the White House for years.. time for a new resident)...

Perhaps if we mature people set an example, just perhaps
the rest of the electorate can put on their big boy/girl
panties, and rise to the occasion.

I know there've been times I too joined the fray,
but I'm tired of frat boys and jokes. All of the hysterial,
all of the 'breath-holding' and temper tantrums about one
candidate over another are silly.

We're seriously in trouble. As I've said before:
I will do what we need to do to get out of this mess.

[JuniperLea]

11. You gave me chills! Very, very well stated!

Time that middle schooler got himself gradjiated!

Temper tantrums, harrumphs... yep!

I know, I've jumped in the fray as well, and it's nothing I'm proud of, that's for sure.

Thanks for chiming in! I'm so happy you stopped by.

[noel711]

25. It's my pleasure.. I'm too sleepy to do work..

took the office staff out for a Red Lobster lunch
in honor of a co-workers birthday...

but after lobster bisque, cheddar biscuits, salad,
fish and potatoes, who feels like working?

so it's scan the boards for the latest news...

And although I'm sleepy, I'm still trying to look like an adult
and appear to be working....

[JuniperLea]

28. Food does tend to dull the senses

I'm always ready for a nap after a big lunch:) Like a puppy dog.

[shadowknows69]

4. McCain sucks!!!

Better?

[JuniperLea]

12. I'm betting you could do a lot better than that...

I've seen your work, and it's brilliant... directed at McCain, it would be blinding!

[Political Heretic]

6. I am all for that. The forums are bringing me down.

[JuniperLea]

15. Me too, PH

We have so much pent up anger and frustration, and we need to channel it in a better direction. I'm no innocent here, by any stretch. I guess I just glanced in the mirror one day and saw how ugly the hate looked on me.

This is my little DU Beautification Project:)

[mohc]

7. Its not about being the first

There have been plenty of Democrats that have not participated in the in-fighting and a great many that not taken it to a level that causes mutual antagonism. The problem is that there are just as many still fighting, and we need (just about) everyone in order to present a united front against the Republicans. Many Clinton supporters believe Obama and/or his supporters have been unfair to Clinton and/or her supporters and that it is up to Obama to bring the party together. Similarly many Obama supporters believe the unfairness is the other way, and that uniting will only occur after Clinton stops attacking. I have seen many posts on this board from both sides where the poster feels their "side" is trying to reconcile and the other side is preventing it. While I have my own opinions on the subject, the fact of the matter is that most people's view of the facts of the situation is shaped by which candidate they support, making such assertions meaningless. One can not say, "we are trying to unite but you will not less us", because the other side is simply going to say that the very fact that they believe that shows they are not trying to unite.

I join you in wanting an end to the divisiveness. I come not claiming my side as being more the victim, but with the expectation that anyone else wanting to join in reconciliation make the same claim. It will be very hard for most of the posters on this board to participate in such a pact, so I sadly doubt we will see many takers to this thread.

[JuniperLea]

17. Thank you for your well thought out post

I agree with most of what you say here, but I'm a daft and dewy-eyed dope building up impossible hopes.

Some lyrics from a musical I loved as a child...

(Godmother)
Impossible, for a plain yellow pumpkin to become a golden carriage.
Impossible, for a plain country bumpkin and a prince to join in
marriage,
And four white mice will never be four white hosrses!
Such fol-der-ol and fid-dle-dy dee of course, is--- Impossible!
But the world is full of zanies and fools
Who don't believe in sensible rules
And won't believe what sensible people say.
And because these daft and dewey-eyed dopes keep building up impossible
hopes,
Impossible things are happening every day.

(Cinderella)
Impossible!

(Godmother)
Impossible!

(Cinderella)
Impossible!

(Godmother)
Impossible!

(Cinderella)
Impossible!

(Godmother)
Impossible!

(Both)
Impossible!


(Cinderella)
It's Possible! For a plain yellow pumpkin to become a golden carriage!
It's Possible! For a plain country bumpkin and a prince to join in
marriage!

(Godmother)
And four white mice are easily turned to horses!
Such fol-der-ol and fid-dle-dy dee of course, is
Quite Possible! It's possible!

(Cinderella)
For the world is full of zanies and fools

(Godmother)
http://www.songlyrics.com>
Who don't believe in sensible rules

(Cinderella)
And won't believe what sensible people say

(Both)
And because these daft and dewey-eyed dopes keep building up Impossible
hopes
Impossible things are happening every day!

(Cinderella)
It's Possible!

(Godmother)
It's Possible!

(Cinderella)
It's Possible!

(Godmother)
It's Possible!

(Cinderella)
It's Possible!

(Godmother)
It's Possible!

(Both)
It's Poss-i-ble!

[mohc]

23. For what its worth

I just smiled a little reading your response.

[JuniperLea]

27. Worth a lot

Thanks:)

[rucky]

9. It's also just good campaign strategy, at this point.

Even if you're not feeling the love.


McCain.

[JuniperLea]

18. Head over heart is always a winner!

Good thought, rucky!

[futureliveshere]

14. Where oh where are the Super Delegates of DU

Come and shut down the haters... :P


I agree with you. Its waaaay past time that we stop jumping at each others throat and start pulling the rug from under McTooRelaxed's feet.

[JuniperLea]

20. He's building up to be an even worse public speaker than BOOSH!

McDumbass needs his due!

[futureliveshere]

53. I agree.

I spend half my time amazed that this sorry excuse for a nominee will stand against Obama.

I can't tell you what I do during the other half. ;)

[swishyfeet]

16. K&R

[JuniperLea]

22. Thanks, swishyfeet!!

:hi:

[cbayer]

19. Good one, Juniperx.

Yesterday, a die hard Clinton supporter responded to someone by essentially saying:

I think I like your candidate more that you do. You are only driven by your hatred of my candidate, not a belief in your own.

There is a lot of that going around. The same debunked accusations thrown over and over again. The same distorted information presented as fact.

I say, let the haters play in their little hateful playpen. Ignore them. They live off response and want to fight. They are constantly daring a member of the other side to come in the room and fight them. Sometimes it is fun to drop a funny comment or put a spotlight on the irony or ludicrousness of what they say. Other than that, I say just let them be.

My bet is that they are going away once we have our nominee chosen. Game will be over.

[JuniperLea]

21. I hope your last sentence comes true!

Not that they actually go away, some of them used to be great pals of mine. But maybe the spell gets broken and they shake it off, and come into the light! The McCain Cannot Win So Help ME! light!

[NorthCarolina]

24. I care about the party too, that'sexactly why I care who wins

the party nomination. I want the corporate conservative DLC influence out of the party, and so won't vote for a DLC member "."

[JuniperLea]

30. That's too bad

You think McCain is better than a Democrat? That is the sadness of which I speak.

[NorthCarolina]

35. Nope, I don't, but neither do I see much difference between

the DLC and the Republicans. That's exactly my point, the DLC should not have influence within the Democratic Party. This nation can stand two parties that are distinct from each other, and the DLC infiltration renders that distinction non-existent.

[JuniperLea]

38. The DLC was very important to Democrats in the beginning

But like most things, time has a way of changing everything. Still, is this a good reason to ignore that we have two Democratic candidates? If one isn't "Democratic" enough, perhaps you should take it up with the DNC.

We need to be united in this, or we will lose on more levels than I care to imagine.

[NorthCarolina]

54. I think if Hillary steals the election

there may quite possibly be a movement on the National level to write-in Barack Obama, and if so that is what I'll do. If there is no national movement for Obama, and Hillary is the nominee, I'll likely write-in Kucinich.

[JuniperLea]

55. How will that help insure the GOP doesn't steal the election for themselves?

Hillary cannot steal the election; furthering lies is the GOP's job, not ours.


If you don't like the laws governing the SD's, do something about it. But don't lie about it. That helps no one.

[Phillycat]

64. Uh...

Obama's chief economic advisor is also the economic head of the DLC.

[JuniperLea]

69. Interesting!

I didn't know that. The DLC did a lot of good back in the day. I hope they get back on track.

[dogday]

26. Juniperx, now I know why you are a member of Mensa...

You are a very smart Democrat... People need to look at the bigger picture, the much bigger picture of the GE... We have a huge fight with McCain and anyone who thinks we are going to sweep this election, only need take a look at what we are doing to our party.. Both camps need to reach across the aisle and remember a united front is all we have to defeat McCain.....


Recommend :thumbsup:

[JuniperLea]

29. *blush*

Thanks, Pal.

:hug:


A united front, indeed. It's going to take us all standing side by side in this. We need to make sure the Democratic voter turnout is so strong there won't be a snowball's chance this election can be stolen...again.

[dogday]

31. Whether we want to face it or not, McCain is a strong opponent..

He is popular with Independents and he was a POW... People will vote for him just because of that...

If we don't stand as one, we will fall as many...

[bigwillq]

32. Excellent post.

Some of the stuff that has been posted here recently, from both camp's supporters, has been down filth. It's appalling the things being said.

I understand people have their favorite candidate but I never knew so many intelligent people who call themselves Democrats and liberal thinkers could stoop this low.

:mad:

[JuniperLea]

39. Thanks, bigwillq

It's good to see so many fine DUers in agreement... for a change! :)

Peace starts with us.

[mkultra]

33. yup yup

[JuniperLea]

40. Good to see you here, mkultra!

Peace begins in the hearts that seek peace... shine a light!

[mkultra]

60. im with you

sometimes i get bogged down in negativity. My excuse is the same as everyone else, i blame it on the other side and claim im just defending.


Truth is that i should be the change i want to see, and i know it.

[JuniperLea]

63. You gave me chills...

That's the whole enchilada... be the change you want to see. Beautiful. I'm so very glad you stopped by!

[Lerkfish]

34. everything is perspective

were your candidate not going to lose, you would not be making this request.

[JuniperLea]

41. My candidate threw in the towel the day after I voted for him

I have no current candidate, so your statement is incorrect. Since the day Edwards dropped out, I've been saying that I don't see a hill of beans worth of difference between "the other two" and I would vote for whomever gets the nomination. That is still the case.

[ronnykmarshall]

52. Snap!

[Phillycat]

68. Being a douche is like your favorite thing in the world, isn't it?

You just can't help yourself.

[JuniperLea]

73. I know your heart is in the right place

But calling someone a douche is the sort of thing we need to leave in the gutter alongside the douches:)

[wyldwolf]

36. Olive Branch

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5547936&mesg_id=5547936

[JuniperLea]

45. I remember your post... and my reply...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5547936&mesg_id=5548627


I'm trying to stay more focused on things IRL myself. I don't even go near the computer at home on the weekends, unless I need to do some banking.

It doesn't seem to me that anyone is swaying any votes toward their candidate, but doing their candidate more harm than good.

Holding the mirror up to oneself is a necessary thing, kudos again to you, wyldwolf.

[Marrah_G]

37. I don't hate Obama, I don't hate his supporters

I do despise the way DUers have been treating each other while hiding behind a keyboard.

(Flame away- I no longer give a shit)

[JuniperLea]

46. Please give a shit, Marrah_G!

I've seen you give good insight, and you are a valuable person here.

It is easier to bash your brother from behind a keyboard, that is for sure. I'm no innocent in that regard. I'm finding I need to really focus... and I've deleted before posting things several times today. I'm determined.

We only deserve the lowest level of kindness we extend to other human beings and other living things.

[Marrah_G]

56. Well I do

I give a shit about our party.

I give a shit about this election.

I give a shit about DU.

However, I no longer give shit about being flamed anymore.

If someone wants to call me a republican or a traitor or a troll or any of the other things they think of anyone supporting Hillary, I no longer give a shit. I have no use for those sorts and I won't have any use for them after the primary is over. Those people, including those I once respected, are no longer on my radar.

I hope that makes sense.

The excitement for me, looking towards November has been forever trashed. I'll fight for our party, but not with the same passion I would have before.

[JuniperLea]

57. I'm glad you'll be supporting the party

I've been called a Clinton supporter and an Obama supporter, once in response to one post! I must have struck a truth nerve with that one;)

My hope is that those I've come to respect will be there again.

My skin has thickened to the hating too... and I'm finding it increasingly easier to be passive in my responses. I'm human, I'll screw up. But I'm dedicated to trying my best.

I hope you find renewed passion when the thought of ousting Bush hits you! That will be a very sweet day, if he is replaced with a Democrat, that is.

[RainDog]

42. thanks for your post

k&r

[JuniperLea]

47. Thank you, RainDog...

I hope to spark some kindness, and your K&R makes me smile... and know that all our efforts are worthy.

[last1standing]

43. I'm in.

n/t

[JuniperLea]

49. Good for you, last1standing...

A vote for civility is a vote in favor of the USA... I think it's a very patriotic way to be.

[AlinPA]

44. I'm agreeing 100%. If she does the "nuclear option" I'd need 3 martinis to agree.

(I've had two so far).

[JuniperLea]

48. LOL!

PUI! PUI! Posting while Under the Influence!

Risky business:)

We need to hold positive thoughts and support the Democrat who will next have their finger on that button... regardless of their gender.

[AlinPA]

50. Oops. I put on the coffee.

[TragedyandHope]

51. Kick for the new DU!

:kick:

[JuniperLea]

58. Keep those horrid Bush and McSame photos posted all over DU!

This is what we will get if we don't unite now within the party. That's not to say anyone should cease backing their candidate of choice, but it shouldn't be at the expense of others.

[FlyingSquirrel]

59. Not when the Clinton camp is moving the goalposts to 2,208.

eom

[JuniperLea]

62. So what? What difference does it make what someone says

The rules must be obeyed regardless. And all this is beside the point. Your post pains me because this is exactly what this thread is about. So the fuck what... you can't see things like this if you are taking the high road, only if you are wallowing in the gutter.

I was reminded of an old saying my grandpa was fond of repeating. Treat life like a dog does... if you can't play with it, or eat it, piss on it and walk away.

I think it's time to take that leak.

[DeepModem Mom]

61. K&R

[JuniperLea]

66. So happy to see you here, DMM!

We need unity more than ever. The time is now.

[BlooInBloo]

65. I'll quit fighting against Clinton when Clinton stops fighting against the country.

[JuniperLea]

70. As if to illustrate...

Bloo, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You know how stubborn she is, and her supporters, and Obama, and his supporters... what's the problem with heading the march toward unity? Heading the march shows you are actually more forward thinking than those who lag behind. If you feel that way about Clinton, take the high road and show you are better than she is. Whatever it takes to stop this tit for tat garbage.

[BlooInBloo]

72. I'm not a great and grand person. I'll stop fighting for Obama when they stop

fighting against him.

[JuniperLea]

74. Sadly, that makes you no better than you perceive them to be eom

[Sundoggy]

67. Drop the nuke option, Hillary...

...THEN we'll talk about reconciliation. Not one moment before.

[JuniperLea]

71. Then you are no better than you perceive her to be...

And not one iota better. How's the view from the gutter? The air is much fresher on the high road.