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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:11 PM
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Why do Obama supporters only complain about the "distractions" that hurt their candidate?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 04:18 PM by Austinitis
I'm getting kind of sick of threads like http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5812103">this one, or http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5809262&mesg_id=5809262">this one, or http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5804123">this one. I mean, seriously - the major news networks spent hours this week covering random shark attacks off Mexico, http://youtube.com/results?search_query=paula%20abdul&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1">Paula Abdul's slip-up, and celebrity sexual-harassment lawsuits. But the Obama people didn't say a word about the time wasted on that stuff.

And that's because this whole "distraction" complaint was never a serious reply. It's because the Obama people know that Wright hurts them; it's because they've seen the poll numbers; it's because they know that there's no substantive explanation for how Obama sat in that church for 20 years, that they're forced to pretend like this isn't a big deal and we shouldn't be talking about it.

But it is a big deal, and the poll numbers reflect that fact that Americans see it as such. Obama sat in the pews for 20 years with a bigot. And for 20 years he enmeshed himself in that institution of bigotry. For 20 years Obama steeped in Wright's hatred. And, after all that, he gave a less than honest explanation of his relationship.

And the media is supposed to treat that like a distraction? Even if you don't think this should sink him, it's obviously a big deal and certainly newsworthy.



The Obama people will forgive me, I hope, if I take their complaints somewhat less than seriously...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:13 PM
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1. Because your candidate has already lost. n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:18 PM
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9. Bingo!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:25 PM
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15. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!
:patriot:
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:24 PM
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14. If she had already lost then there would be no problem here. Obama is the nominee when
he wins a majority of all the delegates to the Convention--no sooner.

Steve
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:31 PM
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18. Wow, so Gravel is still viable? Why didn't you say so?
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:32 PM
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19. I don't think Gravel is going to do as well in Denver as HRC will (eom)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:41 PM
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25. So you have dumped your savings into the futures market, Right? You will make a killing I tell you
a killing.

It's paying approximately 4 to 1 for smart folks like you who can see the writing on the wall.

How much do you have invested? It's worth sticking it on your credit card or getting a line of credit, or whatever you have to do, because the pay-off will be huge when Hillary does very well at the convention.

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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:13 PM
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2. dismissal attempt
that really isn't working AND people tend to resent someone telling them what should be important or not.
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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:20 PM
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10. At first I thought you were responding to me, and then I realized
that you're criticizing the Obama's camp's efforts to portray the Wright scandal as a "distraction."

:rofl:
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:15 PM
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3. Show me the exact path to a Clinton nomination...
And you'll SEE why we complain about the 'distraction'.

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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:17 PM
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8. HOW CLINTON CAN WIN IT
The Fix (from the Washington Post) already gave one possible rout to a Hillary nomination http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/04/how_clinton_can_do_it.html">here. Other pundits have described other possible routs for Hillary.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:35 PM
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20. Obama could be hit by lightning. Then Hillary could win! Think about it. It is possible!
Can't say it's not possible.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:36 PM
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21. I read that link as a description of how Clinton is not going to be able to win it
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:52 PM
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27. No it didn't
it set groundwork for things that would have to happen first (none have as I demostrated last few times this has been poasted) but it didn't explain how the delegate gap would close.

So it wasn't a possible route, it was a possible way to pack the car. Google maps would have to divert all processing power to find a realistic route and still not come up with on by 2015.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:16 PM
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4. OK, let me get this right: Obama was supposed to criticize shark attacks and Paula Abdul.
AND, you don't think the Rev. Wright story has gotten enough press attention.

You will forgive me, I hope, if I hope that the gentlemen in the white suits coming to your door take your comments less than seriously . . .

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:16 PM
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5. Paula Abdul..... ? .....Sharks.......? .....Seriously?
:rofl:
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:17 PM
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6. Maybe you'd understand better...
if Hillary's Bosnia sniper-fire gaffe were still being played ad nauseum, or if her NAFTA position changes were on every channel, etc.
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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:23 PM
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13. I find it interesting that the Obama people didn't treat that like a distraction
But insist Wright is totally different.

I think they're both relevant.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:36 PM
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22. You're painting with a very broad brush...
I consider all of the above distractions from the real issues. Only one of them is still being hammered by the mainstream media.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:37 PM
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23. Yes, interesting, very intersting. But stupid!
That was a Laugh-In gag, by the way, in case you are of a certain age that wouldn't recognize the reference.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:17 PM
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7. It distracts from the fact that he hasn't much to say.
As for Wright, it gets worse. Turns out, he really isn't a very nice guy. He STOLE the wife of a parishoner. He was giving them marriage counselling and he stepped out with the guy's wife.

Now, that's pretty low.

From the NY Scandal Sheet: http://www.nypost.com/seven/05042008/news/nationalnews/baracks_rev__stole_a_wife_109298.htm


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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:22 PM
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11. Give a cigar to this guy!
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:38 PM
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24. Cigar. Interesting choice. n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:22 PM
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12. Do you think its ok to talk about Hillary and pantsuits, she's a lesbian
and thinks people are shooting at her? I complain about those topics as well or do you think those topics are ok just like the sidelines on Obama?
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:26 PM
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16. wow, you think Wright's media attention has been just?
you really think he deserved all that, over Wright?

Don't you care about actual issues?

I've made a thread in the past calling out the media on completely unfair stuff about Hillary, so whats your problem linking me in the thread?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:27 PM
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17. "Obama supporters"?
That's a pretty broad brush, you got there, kemosabe. What's the matter, gettin' worn out responding to the posters in individual threads, and those three threads in particular? Gotta go nuclear on us with a broad-brush OP?

Oh, but wait. You didn't post to any of those three threads, did you. :shrug:
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:44 PM
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26. Yes, it's about judgment and trust
And believing a man of Obama's intellect was oblivious to the views of a man so influential in his life.

Sorry, I cannot believe Obama is that naive.

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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:53 PM
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28. Is that a deal buster for you? Otherwise he's a great guy?
Or maybe that's simply the biggest Obama negative for you? Or maybe it's pretty far down on the list? If you can answer which of these three the case is, I may have a follow-up...
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:02 PM
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29. Wright is not isolated
I'm speaking of the deception of Obama.

It was the continuance of the right-wing assaults on Hillary's character from Obama and his campaign that turned me off completely to the man - All the while putting forth the public face of "new politics" while practicing character assassination.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:04 PM
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30. No one dares bring up your candidate's distractions, despite
the fact we all know what the Republican campaign would be against her. Hillary would be disappeared, except to rally the base, and the entire campaign would be to keep Bill out of the White House.
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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:29 PM
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31. What are you talking about?
The Obama camp has been more than willing to go on the attack against Hillary.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:37 PM
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33. You haven't heard a peep from the Obama campaign about any
of the Clinton scandals. Nothing. He hasn't played guilt-by-association with any of her felon associates, hasn't mentioned even one of Bill's escapades with women who aren't Hillary. But that's what the Republicans will run on. It's kind of amusing the way the Democratic Party leaders are acting as if there is nothing in Hillary's history that will cause a problem - even though we know they know and they know we know. And we all know the Republicans know.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:30 PM
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32. Why do some people see only one side acting in a way that both do?
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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:59 PM
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34. Because it's mainly the Obama people. n/t
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