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JanErikFl Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:43 PM
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Another Swiftboat attack from Obama Camp: Fact Check on the FALSE and Planted Magnaquench story
The Obama campaign released a statement accusing Clinton of hypocrisy for her statements on Magnaquench.

"There she was lamenting the loss of Magnaquench jobs to China and promising to bring new jobs to northwest Indiana," Obama spokesman Kevin Griffis said.

"But Clinton supported Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China, legislation responsible for the hemorrhaging of manufacturing jobs from the state, jobs like the ones at Magnaquench. If there's a person 'out of touch' in this election, it's Hillary Clinton and it's with the truth."

http://www.post-trib.com/news/892291,hillarymain.article

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Well, lets look at the facts shall we..

link: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

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Today, McClatchy published an article with the headline "Clinton blasts Bush for not stopping a project Bill OK'd," implying that the Clinton administration approved the move of a Indiana factory to China. In fact, the Clinton administration specifically prohibited the company, Magnaquench, from moving Indiana jobs overseas.

In 1995, Magnaquench was purchased by a consortium of investors that included two Chinese investors. At the time, the purchase was reviewed by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), and was approved on the condition that the production and the technology to produce neo-magnets would stay in the U.S.

In 2003, the Magnaquench investors announced their intention to move the production facility in Valpariaso, Indiana to China. Senator Bayh and numerous others in Congress raised concerns that the move violated the initial terms of the deal, and introduced new national security problems. They pleaded with President Bush to review and halt the deal. President Bush refused, and the jobs and production were moved to China.

Details below:

1. 1995 agreement was premised on agreement that jobs and production would remain in the United States.

David Cay Johnston: Clinton administration imposed condition 'that the new owners keep magnet production and technology in the United States.'

Evan Bayh: Investors in 1995 'promised to maintain U.S. production of the magnets.' “The U.S. high-performance magnet industry has been hit hard in recent years by China' efforts to dominate the market. Five years ago, the state lost more than 225 jobs when Chinese investors moved the operations of Indiana-based Magnaquench to China. Magnaquench, which had operations in Valparaiso and Anderson, was originally purchased in 1995 by a group of investors that included two Chinese companies. The investors promised to maintain U.S. production of the magnets but in 2003 backed out on that promise."

2. 2003, President Bush failed to use his authority to block the movement of jobs and production overseas.

Bayh and Visclosky sought help from Bush Administration to halt the closing. “In September of 2003, Magnaquench was in the process of closing down their Indiana production plant, with intentions of moving operations to China, and headquarters to Singapore. This move is of particular interest to homeland security because this plant made 80% of the rare-earth magnets used in the construction of U.S. “smart bombs”. Democratic Representative Pete Visclosky and Senator Evan Bayh have been attempting to gain support from President Bush to halt the closing, citing national security concerns.”

Bayh: 2003 decision 'raised new questions' about national security concerns because the jobs would be transferred. “We understand that CFIUS approved both the 1995 purchase of Magnequench by a consortium that included two Chinese companies and Magnequench's acquisition of the Valparaiso facility in 2000. However, the potential transfer of these operations to China raises new questions about maintaining both a significant source of domestic production of rare-earth magnets and U.S. technological leadership for these critical production technologies.”

Bush Administration 'offered no response' to Congressional inquiries in 2003. “Then, when the Chinese owners in 2003 shut down Magnequench's Valparaiso, Ind. production plant and moved equipment to China, CFIUS offered no response when Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) requested an inquiry. Bayh became concerned that the Chinese might corner the market on a sensitive military technology. Defense Department contacts informed his staff that Magnequench provided 80 percent of the guidance magnets used in smart bombs. Still, CFIUS refused to provide information about its Magnequench review despite requests from Bayh and from two key Senate committees: the Senate Armed Services Committee and the Senate Banking Committee, which oversees CFIUS, according to a former Senate aide who sought to contact CFIUS.”


Source: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:45 PM
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:46 PM
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5. Hey be nice. Time spent here and post count don't mean your are right
and I prove that almost daily

Welcome to DU to the original poster :hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:08 PM
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:45 PM
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2. hillary hub?
there's the straight dope right there!!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:46 PM
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3. It must be quiet in Norway nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:46 PM
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:08 PM
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15. Did you always have a high post count?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:46 PM
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6. I didnt know people in Norway loved Hillary so much.
interesting.
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JanErikFl Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:49 PM
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MSN Media in Norway when Hillary won PA: The worst that could happen to the Democratic Party
The MSM here is leftists and all into this Obama cult.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:50 PM
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10. into the Obama cult. uh huh. Now I see where you're coming from.
Hillaryland!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:11 PM
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17. OMG - you mean Hillary is a conservative
that's why many here don't like her, she is neo-lib, too conservative, too much like what we have - oh and she likes big ole corporations and she isn't "leftist" enough (progressive, democratic).
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:46 PM
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7. ME??? I love the HELL out of some popcorn, Yo.
:popcorn: :popcorn:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:47 PM
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8. Right, because Hillary Hub is an objective factcheck source
Has there been an independent analysis from factcheck.org or anywhere else?
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JanErikFl Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:51 PM
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11. So what do you call Chicago Tribune,Melanie Goodman, Senator Evan Bayh and Free Lunch ?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:08 PM
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14. Bayh is a Clinton supporter. Need link to Tribune
And not familiar with the other sources you cite, so I couldn't tell you if they were legit or not. Don't sound widely known or well-respected since I have not heard of them, but I'll take a look.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:49 PM
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9. K&R
Thanks for posting. Don't let the rude Obama supporters get to you. Keep on posting good things for Hillary and welcome to DU!!

:kick:
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:51 PM
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12. Hillaryhub equals ignore.
I guess you guys just don't understand that a campaign memo might be just a touch biased?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:10 PM
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16. Welcome to DU. k/r
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:14 PM
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18. so the Hillary campaign is out-sourcing?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:18 PM
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19. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Put on your big girl panties and deal with it, OK? Stop whining and sniveling ~~ you sound exactly like that lying POS Hilly.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:25 PM
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20. I don't see this as a "false" story, but I also don't see any "screeching" by JanErikFl
The Obama campaign statement asserts that Clinton supported the bill, which she apparently doesn't deny. The bill that she supported made it possible for the jobs to be lost. It didn't make it inevitable, because Bush could have stopped it, but the workers were in a position where their livelihoods depended on the "compassionate" part of "compassionate conservatism". That's a legitimate criticism of Clinton.

On the other hand, the OP is entitled to set forth facts that cut against the charge of hypocrisy by Clinton. This is the kind of discussion that should be more prominent in a campaign, as opposed to lapel pins, exactly what Kantor said sixteen years ago, how much John Edwards paid for a haircut, and the like.

So, as an Obama supporter, I join those who welcome JanErikFl to DU.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:31 PM
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21. ahem,
Hillary's "spin" does not equal facts. I could point you to my "website" with a statement saying that 2 + 2 doesn't = 4, but that wouldn't make it true.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:49 PM
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22. Welcome, JanErikFL
I am a supporter of Senator Obama, and I will take a careful look at the information you posted. You seem to have done a decent job of finding sources, although linking directly to a campaign site in your citations might not have been the best sourcing.

To the other Obama supporters on this thread - take a deep breath and relax. If the OP is correct then I'd like to know that. If it's a well turned ruse, I'll figure that out, and so can you. To just reflexively jump down the poster's throat does not reflect well on Senator Obama or his campaign.

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