Anyone else's bullshit meter pegging out re: Kantor video?

[haymakeragain]

It's got a rovian gotcha smell to it. I don't know what the video is about or not about, but I think I smell a rat. Just one man's opinion, but this sure seems a lot like those tricks rove used to play. Where is he anyway?

[ORDagnabbit]

1. working for clinton last I heard....so it seems..

[Joe the Revelator]

2. It has nothing to do with Rove. Its the same gotcha game the media has been playing all cycle

Lest we forget Rev. Wright.

[grasswire]

3. exactly

And it's Rove's M.O. He always has a back pocket full of little fizzballs that will seize the headlines for the day. Today is dump day. What's NOT being covered while Democrats are fizzing away?

[lapfog_1]

4. The movie has been out for years...

hard to create a fake from it that is not immediately obvious.

[haymakeragain]

5. Still haven't watched it, think that stuff is unfair, but when I get audio

I will give it a listen. But the way the Hillarians are pouncing on Obama people so quickly it's like they had a plan, especially the amount of newbies.

[ingac70]

6. Listen to the original...

with the volume cranked. You can hear that scumbag plain as day.

[Barack_America]

9. I agree. I would be willing to swear to this in court, at this point.

From the full-length youtube clip, it appears that he does say "those people are shitting", but he most certainly says "worthless white n*gger".

Unless the full-length clip is also doctored. I'm not about to go buy the movie, however.

[backscatter712]

7. I watched it. It's real.

And it's a clip from a documentary called The War Room.

All you have to do to settle this is get the DVD of The War Room and examine the audio closely.

[Texas Hill Country]

8. exactly.

[Mz Pip]

10. I watch both links

THe first one that supposedly had the N word that was put together like an ad and the clip from the movie. I hear the N word in the first but not in the second. :shrug:

Having the first one with the subtitles certainly leads one to believe those are the words that are being spoken but I can't see his face at that moment. I hear the words but those could be dubbed over.

THe second video without the subtitles I don't hear N at all.

If this is a fake then whoever did it was pretty stupid to believe that it couldn't be analyzed and verified.

[krispos42]

38. I think the subtitles trick you into hearing it

because you're expecting to hear it.

I can't tell what he whispers to George, except that I think the word "white" in there someplace

[beandoc]

11. BS alert level red.

For the record, I support Obama and would love to see this thing end next week, but not with disingenuous crap.

I think the clip of Kantor being circulated is not real, and doesn't make sense.
Check out the clip from the War Room pt 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U&feature=related at around 4:45.

Try watching the clips with these suggested phrases:
1) "Those people are shittin'" referring to the repubs reaction to the landslide loss they are facing.
2) "How would you like to be in the white house right now" i.e. to see the losing team squirm.

I don't know for sure what he is saying in part 2, but on the original film, his lips don't match anything with the N-word and it wouldn't make any sense, no matter how much I would want it to because it could hurt the other candidate. To have that phrase suggested (and I think doctored) in the circulating clip can make it easy to hear what isn't there.
I think what I've suggested fits the context better, makes more sense, and is much more likely.

Maybe I'm wrong, but like you, the Rovian years have sensitized my BS detectors and they're going off big time right now.

edit for very poor typing.

[Goblinmonger]

12. I'm with you.

He says "shitting" and not "shit" and the second part doesn't match the lips. Not that I think Kantor isn't a fuck, but my meter is pegged, too.

[Orsino]

22. Your suggested phrases make more sense to me...

...than the n-word interpretation. In retrospect, it was very odd that such a secret could have lain dormant for sixteen years.

[beandoc]

24. The power of suggestion is something to behold.

The way we interpret reality and the way it is affected by preconceived notions, contrived or otherwise, can be quite scary sometimes.

[Umbram]

13. I dunno - do you create OP's rather than check the 20 or so other ones? (nt)

[haymakeragain]

16. I do whatever the fuck I want.

Pitch a tent.

[Umbram]

32. Aww...how cute! (nt)

[haymakeragain]

34. Thank you.

Go pitch.

[TheWraith]

14. Rovian? Why? Rove's rooting for Clinton to win.

She'd be far easier to beat.

[DearAbby]

17. they are damaging the party in the process

whoever gets it will be easier....Read the post below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5781828&mesg_id=5782330

[haymakeragain]

18. The Rove trick is, plant the fake video and blame the other guy,

then scream outrageously at its unfairness and make the other guy out to be exactly what you are, a dirty ass trickster.

[Stephanie]

31. that's exactly right and it's really his only trick

he's a one trick pony

[DearAbby]

15. It's bothering me...(Obama Supporter)

It shouldn't matter anyway...Clinton herself never said it, just as Obama never should have been blamed for the things Wright has said. That being said, this has me bothered because it is too orchestrated.

It's something on Obama one week, then Clinton the next, then rinse and repeat, the damage is done...to the entire Democratic party. See what I mean? And we are just hand puppets tearing each other down, while they watch. It stinks....smells really Rovian shit.

[haymakeragain]

21. I agree, this is bullshit. That's why I wonder how it exploded like it did.

I'd never heard of it till just now. It's sad.

[Orsino]

19. If so, I doubt we'd ever find out for sure.

Could be just a random Internet hoax--but just as useful to various political factions.

I thought that the possibly-doctored clip seemed weird and out-of-the-blue, but I was too ready to accept it as authentic. I still don't understand the reason why Kantor might have said such a thing.

[haymakeragain]

27. Good takes.

Something ain't right.

[TragedyandHope]

20. It does smell Rovian to me

It smacks of RW operatives stirring up our Primaries, as they've been doing all year. The MSM spin could go either way and no matter what, it makes BOTH sides look bad, which is nothing but good news for the Rethugs.

[haymakeragain]

23. You got it.

Something ain't right.

[tokenlib]

25. The hysteria is BS, the accusations against the Obama campaign are BS....

The media and too many here are going nuts on this video. Whether true or not--the "you Obama people are disgusting" and the "Clinton is finished" stuff is insane. The Obama campaign does not do this kind of thing. Everyone needs to chill out and let the media do its job--to prove it a fraud or authentic. But remember it's a DISTRACTION!!!

I don't relish in the media obsessively beating another distraction to death. This does nothing to advance the discussions that really need to happen on issues.

[haymakeragain]

26. You mean like the way the media cleared up that Dan Rather thing?

I know what you mean, but the media is not to be trusted, they are what makes this hysterical. I think Obama's people should be on this, inside their campaign, like flies on shit. This ain't what they are about and it reeks of foul play.

[tokenlib]

29. Obama's campaign doesn't do this stuff....

..if it's a fake--I think it was someone maliciously having a little "fun." The media is getting to chase after YouTube videos like a dog after a rabbit. This is a distraction--and frankly a lot of us will be pissed off about it on both sides.

[haymakeragain]

35. I'm with ya.

They should make a statement supporting Kantor and saying how pathetic it is, regardless of its authenticity. But the cat is out of the bag either way, it's hard to get back in, either way. It's definitely a trick by someone.

[Stephanie]

28. Great minds.

I smell a rat too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5782645&mesg_id=5782645

[RainDog]

30. KKKKarl is my guess, too

the republicans are scared shitless to run against Obama because their own people and independents are defecting left and right. they want to try to choose the democratic nominee, and they want Hillary to be that nominee.

It's a measure of the total hysteria of people on this site (for both candidates) or a measure of how many spinheads are here posting as sock puppets for Rove or Clinton rather than any sophistication about the depths to which conservatives will sink to win, even after all their enormous failures over the last 8 years.

[Skwmom]

33. Cccclinton is my guess, Though they are really both the same.

[damntexdem]

36. I don't know and I don't care.

It's a distraction from what is needed: the campaign against McCain and the GOP.

[sfam]

37. My bullshit meter's been pegged this entire campaign long!!!

I have a hard time understanding why others have not. Do we seriously give a shit what this looney pastor has said????

We can name about 20 more issues on both sides of this are just as looney.