Edwards Supporters, Obama Or Clinton?

[balantz]

Poll question: Edwards Supporters, Obama Or Clinton?

I'm curious where Edwards supporters stand today.

On edit: Please for as factual a survey as possible I ask those who are not, or never were, Edwards Democrats to not participate.

[democrattotheend]

1. I was torn between Obama and Edwards, but broke for Obama before Edwards dropped out

And even if Edwards were still in the race, I think I would be very happy with my choice. Backing Obama was just a gut feeling at first, but the more I thought about my choice the more sense it made, and the more I have seen of Obama the more impressed I have been.

[glowing]

2. I support neither, but will vote Dem in fall.. unless Al Gore or Edwards

runs indi...

[waiting for hope]

18. I really like that idea...

I'll vote Dem in Nov - but neither one has endeared me. All this bickering back and forth is doing nothing but soured me on it all.

[cindydivine]

76. Me too!

I hate that I have become one of the disinterested...

[Blue_In_AK]

3. I'm not crazy about either of them.

But I'll vote for whoever the eventual nominee is.

[LibDemAlways]

7. Second that.

[JuniperLea]

61. Me too... eom

[patrice]

4. Uhhh, how do you know you're getting real Edwards supporters and not

just supporters of one of the other candidates who are claiming to be Edwards supporters for your poll, not that anyone would do such a thing, that is :sarcasm:

[balantz]

6. Good question.

Silly me, expecting honesty from everyone for the purpose of conducting a factual survey.

Please don't skew the poll for your candidate.

I guess that's the best I can do :shrug:

[newmajority]

9. It does seem rather odd that 23% of Edwards supporters wouldn't have a clue as to what his campaign

was all about. For the record, John Edwards was an early favorite of mine in this political round. Had he emerged as the nominee instead of Obama, I would have voted for him without hesitation.

And I believe he'll be one Hell of an Attorney General.

[benny05]

79. Help me out here

You are saying 28% have no clue about his champaign.

I would argue 72% don't have a clue about him at all.

[redqueen]

128. Here are some clues...

"The Clinton campaign has no conscience," Edwards said, after Clinton spokesman Jay Carson said Edwards does no more than "read articles about people who need help and talk about them."

"The idea that everything is about them (suggests) that they have no conscience," Edwards said of the Clinton campaign, my colleague Josh Kraushaar reports. "I'm very surprised by the comments."




"I didn't hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead," Edwards said. "Every time he speaks out for change, every time I fight for change, the forces of status quo are going to attack -- every single time."




"I think that voters have to ask themselves is: do you believe that the candidate who's raised the most money from Washington lobbyists, Democrat or Republican, the candidate who's raised the most money from the health industry, drug companies, health insurance companies, the candidate who's raised the most money from the defence industry, Republican or Democrat - and the answer to all of those questions is: that's Senator Clinton. Will she be the person who brings about the change in this country? You know, I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy. But I don't think that's going to happen. I really don't. I think that if people want the status quo, Senator Clinton is your candidate."

[benny05]

136. That does not address my question

The hard core supporters, except at the end, had a clue about Edwards and his campaign.

And some of us voted for him on Feb 5th anyway, and were proud to do so.

Trashing him will not win anyone to your candidate, especially since Elizabeth is doing the heavy lifting on the issues.

Get off of my cloud. Edwards was the only hope we had for things to change in our country and would have easily beaten McCain in the GE. Now we are stuck with a possible loss to another Republican. I suggest you work harder to get more voters who are undecided about the candidates and support your candidate that way instead of this BS.

[redqueen]

137. Those are things Edwards said about Cilnton.

What on earth would make you think I'm trashing Edwards?

:wtf:

And how is posting what Edwards said about Clinton "BS"?

[benny05]

145. sorry, misunderstood

I don't comment much on the candidates these days either. I want a Dem in the WH though.

[Awsi Dooger]

20. I expressed support for Edwards in '04 and also '08, after Mark Warner opted out

Admittedly, my Edwards support was greater in '04 than '08, even though he improved dramatically from '04 to '08 in terms of issues and variety of his message.

In '04 we desperately needed someone fresh and likable to oust an incumbent. There were plenty of tunnel vision posters here who didn't get that, preferring to default to conventional wisdom theme of a national security resume as most vital. Hardly surprising. When you don't deal with outcomes and results on a daily basis the fundamentals are not as obvious.

Oh yeah, the question in this thread. :)

I support Hillary by attrition. Mark Warner was so superior to the other options, in terms of a map changing cinch, I've struggled to be enthused toward anyone else. But when we're at the point of forfeited margin for error and a guaranteed coin flip general election, I choose the one who plays better in the critical swing states, the more natural path to 270+. It's a particularly easy choice when the Clinton economy team from the '90s is an attachment. We continue to undervalue that, as opposed to stockpiled frenzy to punish Hillary for the Iraq vote. And an upstart candidate with a thin resume is vulnerable in an open race.

[KaptBunnyPants]

82. Are you saying this self selected internet poll is unscientific?

I, for one, will not tolerate such scurrilous accusations.

[LaurenG]

97. I was a Kucinich supporter who chose Edwards and then

I picked between those left.

[goddess40]

169. Same here - Obama is my third choice

and it really isn't because I like him more than Clinton it's because of who's running Clinton's campaign.

[emilyg]

5. My dream ticket Clinton/Edwards.

[montanaliberaldem]

35. My dream ticket is Obama / Biden with Edwards in a key cabinet position.

I didn't have a strong feeling for either Clinton or Obama until saw Obama speak in Missoula, Montana. He was inspiring, I have to admit, and so refreshing to listen to. There is definitely something special there.

I'm sorry but I can barely listen to Clinton anymore. I swear she was channeling Reagan in the last "debate" when she would look away and start every smarmy answer with "weeelll.." Honestly, I would have had much more respect it she had just refused to answer any question having to do with Rev. Wright or other such nonsense.

JE is still my favorite by far and still whom I consider to have been by far the most electable of the three, but I'd be happy with him as Attorney General.

I am volunteering for Obama in Montana now.

[ClericJohnPreston]

8. The idea is noble

but I agree the execution is flawed.

I think we know Balantz, from our Edwards board, that the current data, has, umm, been corrupted by a certain crowd.

Guess which?

[balantz]

10. Oh well. You are probably correct.

Alas, one still hopes for honest and meaningful discussion these days.

[FlaGranny]

15. My husband voted for Edwards

in the Florida primary. I WOULD have voted for Edwards, but I voted for Obama because I knew Edwards was about to drop out. Up until January or so, I was leaning toward Clinton over Obama, with first choice of Edwards. Actually Edwards was second choice - Kucinich was first. Clinton's campaign made me look more closely at Obama and I liked what I saw there better, and that decision has been reinforced on a daily basis.

Edit: Forgot to say husband now supports Obama. He has always had a visceral dislike for Hillary.

[redqueen]

41. Wow... we took the same path!

Kucinich to Edwards, then leaned Clinton... now FULLY support Obama!

:hi:

[FlaGranny]

147. I think a lot of us

followed that path. :-)

[redqueen]

158. I think so too! Which is why it REALLY burns my britches...

when SOME PEOPLE around here imply that these results are somehow mystifying, and so these poll results MUST be the result of just a bunch of liars.

:hi:

[AnneD]

11. I'm for Edwards....

and for the longest, didn't back either (I will vote DEM anyway). But as this has drug on, I find my self gravitating toward Obama. He has made some interesting and telling choices in his life and has walked in a lot of different shoes and speaks common sense. I wish he were a bit more seasoned-but I think he'll do the right thing.

I think I can live with Hillary too. I won't get in a snit and not show up at the polls-it's too important.

My dream ticket...Edwards/Obama or should I say Obama/Edwards.

[featherman]

12. Not voting here but my spouse was strong Edwards and is now for Obama

For what it's worth

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. Voted (yes, VOTED) for Edwards in Florida

I like both Clinton and Obama personally. I'll vote for either in the general whoever turns up as the nominee.

However, I have been quite turned off by Obama's supporters, so if I were forced to pick between the two of them right now, I'd probably lean Hillary.

What especially annoys me is some of Obama's supporters' continued justification of the exclusion of Florida's voters, of which I am one. (I'm sorry, talk of candidates' pledges, actions/inactions of state legislatures, and obscure DNC rules on the ordering of primaries simply is not cause for the disenfranchisement of my vote.)

I was pretty enthusiastic about Obama in the beginning, but I've grown tired of some of his followers' boorish behavior. I'll still vote for him in the general and I think he'll do a fine job as president, but my enthusiasm for his campaign is all but gone.

[democrattotheend]

23. Please don't let us influence your opinion of Obama

As an Obama supporter, I am sometimes appalled by the overzealousness of some of his supporters here too. Four years ago, I was probably one of the overzealous Deaniacs who turned people off to him. I have since learned that being in people's face about it is not the way to win people over, and I wish other Obama supporters would learn that lesson. But none of the people here work for Obama's campaign as far as I know, and I hope you don't let them influence you. I know it's hard, and I can tell you that if I let myself be influenced by some of the Clinton supporters here at DU there's no way I'd vote for her in November.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

24. Don't worry, I won't

Like I say, I like Obama personally and have no problem voting for him as our Democratic nominee.

I just have no interest in being involved in his campaign, that's all.

[democrattotheend]

26. I hope you change your mind if he is the nominee

We'll need all the help we can get in Florida, and I can tell you, having volunteered for Obama in 3 states now, that the people who work for his campaign and the volunteers in real life are nothing like the people at DU or DailyKos.

[balantz]

27. Pardon me for butting in.

Are you an Edwards Democrat?

[democrattotheend]

28. Nah, I'm an Obama supporter

But Edwards was a close second choice for me before he dropped out. I did not vote in the poll, but I responded to a comment in the thread. Is that not allowed?

[balantz]

31. Go right ahead.

Thanks for not voting.

[redqueen]

42. Don't buy that crap.

Anyone whose vote is swayed by crap on message boards... well... I'll just stop there.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

49. What crap? nt

[redqueen]

51. That message board posters have caused you to dislike a candidate.

It's bullshit.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

52. I don't dislike the candidate

I just dislike the campaign.

As I've always said, I like Senator Obama and I'll vote for Senator Obama in the general.

But, hey, thanks for proving my point....

[redqueen]

53. The campaign? Message board posters are not the campaign.

So Hillary's ACTUAL campaign shit means less than message board posters for Obama?

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

59. Either/or....both have left a bad taste in my mouth

With the major factor being Florida and the counting of my vote.

And one thing I am really sick about is the whole "But Hillary's campaign...." whining from some Obama supporters whenever I bring up my dissatisfaction with what I've seen from the Obama campaign. (To be fair, the converse is true also, but it just so happens that it always seems to be Obama supporters who have brought this up.) Like I said, I don't care who said what, who did what, who should have done what. Count my vote. That's all I want. Spare me petty BS about DNC rules and candidate pledges and what the other candidate should have done and what the Florida legislature should have done. Count my vote.

[redqueen]

60. That's not whining... that's being PISSED OFF.

Of course it's *usually* Obama supporters bringing the dirty tricks up... it's mostly her campaign engaging in them for Christ's sake!

If it's all about FL, well nothing I can say. You choose to punish a candidate cause the DNC didn't do as you wanted, and YOUR state party fucked you over. Your choice. Not logical IMO, but whatever.


on edit: In addition, I'd characterize as "whining" the complaining Hillary's supporters are doing about MI and FL... Clinton AND her staff members ALL said these votes didn't matter... UNTIL she found out she wasn't as inevitable as she thought. Opportunistic situational ethics there, it seems to me.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

63. Do as I wanted?

I have no control over when the date of the primary election is. But if there is an election scheduled, I vote. And I shouldn't be punished because I chose to do my duty and vote.

Frankly, all the childish finger point ("But he's worse/But she's worse") is...well, childish. As I see it, mud has been slung from both sides. That's unfortunate, but that's not a major turn-off for me. Arguing that my vote (for John Edwards, no less) shouldn't be counted because it doesn't benefit one's choice of candidate? Now that's a major turn off for me.

[redqueen]

66. Finger pointing is childish?

Isn't that what you're doing when you single out the rude Obama supporters (cause you know damn well Clinton has her fair share here as well) for criticism?

Hmmmmm?

NOBODY is arguing that it shouldn't be counted because of who you chose to vote for... what kind of specious BS is that and where the hell did you get it from?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

149. Umm...no?

I'm a part of neither the Obama or Clinton campaign. I've got no one to angrily finger point at. More than anything, I find most of the behavior from everyone on this board on both sides pretty pathetic.

"NOBODY is arguing that it shouldn't be counted because of who you chose to vote for..."--What sort of twisting of the English language is that? Hell, I know that. All I'm saying is that there is one side that is arguing full throttle that delegates from Florida should not be seated, thus rendering my lawful vote meaningless. That side happens to be Obama's supporters. Had Senator Obama won Florida, it might very well have been Senator Clinton's supporters arguing that the delegates shouldn't be seated, but the facts are as they are. I really don't care who says what or who did what. All I want is my vote to count.

[JNelson6563]

80. I dunno

I was an Edwards supporter who didn't hate or love either Clinton or Obama. While I currently favor Obama I see GDP pretty clearly. I notice there is just as much nastiness on both sides though there ARE more Obama supporters on DU. I think it is completely fair to say "a pox on both their houses" when it comes to bad supporter behavior.

In real life none of the supporters of either, that I've met, have been anything like the personalities we find so annoying here, if that's any consolation to you.

Julie

Julie

[myrna minx]

14. I was an Edwards supporter, but I was unable to vote for him because he

left the race before I had the opportunity. That said, I am now supporting Obama.

[bdamomma]

16. I voted for Edwards in my primary.

but no matter what we need Dem in office to stop this country from falling off the cliff.

[mohc]

17. Obama

I donated the max to Edwards campaign last year and voted for him in the Florida "primary", just before he dropped out. I now fully support Obama, though I have not yet been able to bring myself to donate to his campaign.

[democrattotheend]

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[PurityOfEssence]

19. Like John, I'm sitting this one out

I'm still joining in the discussion because I don't want silliness to go unchecked and I want us to ultimately win. The nominee will have my support and vote, but the vast sweep of a huge populace has reminded me of my very limited efficacy.

Neither has much appeal, although either is obviously better than McCain.

For me, electability is the issue since I'm at such odds with their mutual corporatism and annoyed with their evasive politicking. It's time to let others make the decision.

Too many things keep me from picking either, although the triumphalism, religion, obliviousness and cultlike screeching from the Obama camp definitely grates me to no end. I never thought I'd encounter a viable Democratic candidate who made me seriously start to give Hillary Clinton a second look, but this guy certainly has.

As some of you may know, I've been a very vigorous supporter of John Edwards on this board since 2001; he really crossed my radar with his attempt to block Ashcroft.

I think he's doing the right thing here, and I hope he stays out of it until a nominee is determined.

[balantz]

21. Your statements reflect my sentiments pretty well.

Thanks for participating.

[chimpymustgo]

55. As always, Purity, you nailed it.

I'm probably leaning toward Hillary, because I think BHO will get creamed in the General and hurt us down ticket. I'm also hoping if Hillary surges now, we'll have a brokered convention and might end up with Gore or Edwards as a compromise.

[redqueen]

58. Irony.

"the triumphalism, religion, obliviousness and cultlike screeching from the Obama camp"

[lolamio]

25. I voted on behalf of my husband. He was an Edwards man, and now is for Obama.

[ellenfl]

29. i am an edwards dem who now supports obama.

which is one reason i would prefer to have the primary re-run in florida . . . i voted for edwards the first time around. if all fla. edwards backers voted for obama now, would hillary still win florida?

ellen fl

[question everything]

30. From Edwards to Clinton. Easy choice: clear and coherent plans

instead of fuzzy words.

[elle1sf]

36. Well put

I am definitely not as enthusiastically supporting Hillary as I was Edwards but I do think she is the best candidate we have left. I am proud to say I was able to vote for Edwards in '04 and '08 - both times he pulled out before CA but I vote absentee.

I am hoping for a Clinton/Edwards ticket!

[cali]

45. that's some fantasy world you inhabit

Unlikely that she'll win the nomination and even unlikelier that she'd run with Edwards. He brings nothing to the ticket. He can't deliver NC. He has no great expereince to bring. Never gonna happen. Oh, and there was nothing well said about the post you commended: Merely one lame old lie about Obama having nothing but fuzzy words.

[redqueen]

50. Not only that he's said some powerful stuff about why she's NOT the right choice.

Amazing that some of Edwards supporters can manage to forget that little detail.

[question everything]

112. Yeah, "hope" "change" - words, nothing specfic

Obama is a blank slate with no history, no track record - he himself was bored in the Senate as soon as he was elected - and Kennedy and Daschle suggested that he should run before he established any track record. Same was in Illinois.

Not even "American roots" that, apparently, are very important to many voters.

No baggage, nothing. Walking on air, talking about air, there is an air about him but, oh, how those Obama girls and African Americans are melting at the sight of him.

Yes, he will win the nomination but will be a very weak president.

[onehandle]

32. Myself and the majority of DUers originally selected the candidate that did the best in the GE.

Edwards

Now we have to settle for #2 or #3.

I support the Democratic Nominee.

[bvar22]

86. The majority of DU originally selected Dennis Kucinich.

Go check the archives.
No one else even came close to DK in the early straw polls.
It was only AFTER DK dropped out that Edwards became the popular choice at DU.

Myself,
Kucinich > Edwards > Obama

[graycem]

33. I supported him in '04..

and then had to settle for him on the ticket with Kerry, which was turned out ok because I liked Kerry once I learned a bit more about him. During the GE, John and Elizabeth came to my hometown and that was actually my first political event I've ever attended. Had to wait in line for 2 hours because the lines were long and packed since our town usually gets overlooked. I still have my autographed campaign book. I was so sure that with his charisma and passion that he & Kerry could defeat the monster that is Bush. Too bad our electorate was so shamelessly ignorant about issues that matter.

Anywho, I am now a proud supporter of Obama, I think he's got the "it" it's going to take to speak to the majority and I like the way that he thinks. I really do believe that he has the people in mind (or maybe I'm naive, time will tell). Still, no matter who wins, I will fall in line behind the nominee, because I cannot stomach another 4 years of heartless Republican rule. I really wish it hadn't gotten so ugly, because I think if they'd kept it less personal and just ran on the issues, we'd have an unstoppable ticket. I can't wait to see who he's going to pick as V.P.

[balantz]

34. Thank you everyone thus far and in advance for participating n/t

[Seabiscuit]

37. This poll has obviously been Obamanized (Obamanoid for "freeped").

There's no way there's 90 Edwards people from DU that now support Obamarama.

[redqueen]

47. Oh for God's sake.

Balantz you should have asked people to not just vote but POST so all these Hillary supporters could do searches and stop making up conspiracy theories.

[spooky3]

109. Seabiscuit has been an Edwards supporter from way back.

There are far more voters in this poll than I remember Edwards supporters since I joined in 2003.

[Seabiscuit]

111. Indeed. There's no way 90 or more people from the Edwards boards are now supporting Obama.

I've only noticed a handful.

Clearly, a swarm of creepy Obamanoids are trying to give Edwards a bad name.

[redqueen]

129. What difference does that make?

That makes that person some kind of authority?

What, they kept a list of names of all the Edwards supporters on this board since 'way back'?

This is beyond ridiculous. Do you think that every Edwards supporter on this board is a frequent poster? None are lurkers? None just post rarely? Honestly...

[Secret_Society]

38. I went to Clinton...couldn't give up on universal healthcare

[cornermouse]

39. I voted for him (Edwards) even though he dropped out and

took a lot of **** from others on this board for doing so. I'm not real enthusiastic about Clinton, but she has actual plans unlike Obama who seems to be depending on personality and speeches. She has a voting trail that I don't always approve of but I prefer that to someone who has been careful not to leave any voting trail that people might find objectionable. The attempt to avoid leaving a voting trail with decisions that people might not like feels dishonest.

[redqueen]

40. IMO Edwards' supporters have broken for Obama...

that's how it seems from my perspective, anyway.

You should do yourself a favor and check out what the Edwards forum has become.

Remember when it was nice? Yeah... I haven't visited much since he dropped out. Don't really want to, after checking in on that group today after being told that most of Edwards' supporters prefer Hillary, as evidenced by the spew that's posted there.

[cornermouse]

44. I don't like those who proselytize.

I don't go to Obama's forum and for the purpose of trying to convince or browbeat them into voting for someone else. For some reason, that would seem dishonest. Indeed, based on what Obama's supporters put out on a daily basis in GD-P you couldn't pay me enough to get me there.

[redqueen]

48. WTF are you talking about?

I don't proselytize there...

:wtf:

Reading comprehension problems?

[bpeale]

72. we know you are an obamanite redqueen. go away.

[redqueen]

123. I supported Kucinich, then Edwards, then Obama.

All due respect for your kind request, but I will not go away. :hi:

[Two Americas]

92. I don't get this

What can you hope to achieve?

Why so nasty?

[redqueen]

124. Discouraging people from attempting to try to bully me?

[Two Americas]

148. that is a problem

I believe what you say here, and I have a problem with it. You are justifying your behavior by what you think others are doing or may be "trying" to do. Pre-emptive bullying, as it were. This unfortunately has become very common here. We hear all sorts of rationalizations - "she had it coming;" "she asked for it;" "they did it to us first;" "they started it."

[redqueen]

155. Whatever.

In the Edwards forum you treat CJP as if he's respectable, but you come here and criticize me.

That tells me what I need to know.

[sniffa]

103. That's f'n absurd

You're not even part of the Alert Squad (nor its sister club, The Banners).

Though you're always welcome to apply for membership. :D

[Generator]

54. Wel I still think

that the anti-Obama fever that I saw from former Edwards supporters is obviously pure jealousy beacuse if it wasn't for Obama Edwards would be the nominee. I get that. He's the one that stopped Edwards. But the comments on that forum-"Obama scares me" really reached into hysteria.

Ms. Clinton has always seemed to me the anti-Edwards but maybe I had no clue who Edwards is. (If he endorses Hillary that will be the case) I have slowly warmed to Obama and look forward to voting for him in both the primary and the g.e.

[redqueen]

57. Edwards, like Gore, has reinvented himself.

So... if he endorsed Hillary, that wouldn't so much surprise me as just be a confirmation of lots of things that have been said about this recent conversion being little more than political opportunism.

If he goes for Obama, then I'd think his conversion was genuine.

He made NO SECRET of his contempt for Hillary's status quoness... her campaign's disgusting tacitcs... so any Edwards supporter who now supports her... well... it's puzzling... I'd chalk it up as candidate envy as you said (he stole our votes!)... absent any (rational - not "his supporters are mean to me!) explanation .

[cornermouse]

62. Oddly enough I had never considered

the possibility that Edwards would be the nominee if it wasn't for Obama. Oddly enough, I don't agree with your premise.

[Two Americas]

102. I strongly resent and object to that

Have the courage to debate straight up on these issues in the light of day instead of making covert and vicious little attacks such as this one. I am one of the people you are characterizing as hysterical, and I am prepared to defend, support and debate anything I have ever posted in the Edwards forum anytime anywhere. You characterizations of Edwards supporters are malicious and cowardly.

I cannot adequately express my disgust with this sort of post.

Your post is a defamation of character, an ad hominem attack, and is divisive and dishonest.

[spooky3]

110. why would you venture into an Edwards supporter forum?

You're incorrect about the reasons why Edwards supporters who do not now favor Obama feel and behave as they do.

And "hysteria" is a sexist term because it is much more frequently directed toward women.

You might want to reconsider your unfair characterization of fellow Democrats.

[Generator]

113. Uh because I was an Edwards supporter

Before he bailed. And the sexist card is always played around here! What a cliche! It happened to be a woman that said "I'm scared of Obama" but that isn't why that post is hysterical. It's because-oh snap!-it's racist-afraid of the scary black man-or just plain dumb-scared of those freaky Obama supporters. I went in that forum after Edwards bailed and it turned into how awful and horrible that Obama guy is. So it seemed like some obvious sour grapes. I never was a big Obama fan myself. As I said he warmed on me over time;it took me awhile to think I would vote for him. And certainly it's an anti-Hillary vote-because now that is someone to be scared of. I trust her much less on everything than Obama-and I certainly don't trust Obama absolutely.

I have a uterus myself. Thanks! And yes, men and women can be hysterical in their comments.

Obviously I hit a nerve.

[spooky3]

114. you wonder if you "had no clue who" Edwards was, but you are a former Edwards supporter?

Highly questionable.

And, I don't care what gender you are. When you attack people or infer motives based on no evidence, you can expect people to speak up.

Women can be just as guilty as men are of sexist behavior, because they have been subjected to a sexist culture. And calling people "hysterical" is disproportionately directed at women, as a way of demeaning their legitimate expressions of opinion. You hit no nerves; you engaged in inappropriate and questionable behavior. That's why SEVERAL people are calling you on it.

[redqueen]

125. Did you ever visit the forum before he bailed?

It wasn't always filled with jealousy, resentment and bitterness.

[cornermouse]

150. I feel sorry for you.

[redqueen]

154. That's nice. (nt)

[Two Americas]

157. false

"It's because-oh snap!-it's racist-afraid of the scary black man-or just plain dumb-scared of those freaky Obama supporters. I went in that forum after Edwards bailed and it turned into how awful and horrible that Obama guy is."

That is just plain false, and unfairly maligns Edwards supporters. You just cleverly and dishonestly associated Edwards supporters with racism with that little passage.

"So it seemed like some obvious sour grapes."

See, this is just mean spirited. "Sour grapes?" How demeaning and insulting. "I touched a nerve?"

After each candidate has dropped out I have gone into the supporters forums for those candidates and commiserated and expressed my solidarity with them and offered my condolences and support. I didn't accuse them of "sour grapes" nor demand that they speak no evil about my choice of candidates. The Biden people, for example, can talk any damned way they want to on any subject they choose to talk about without any interference or judgment from me, and without having to put up with any pressure or evangelizing for another candidate. This is a matter of respect and decency, as well as what is best for the party.

What you are saying here is so malicious and divisive.

[glowing]

134. No, its not.. If you look at the policy of Obama it is not as progressive as

Clinton.. But I doubt Clinton will live up to her policy.. so.. that's a pickle in itself. I wish Obama would push progressive ideals..

Also, many of us had already seen the Rezko stuff and the Rev. Wright stuff and the watered down policy. Obama's draw was complete difference. diff. color. diff speeches.. hope. at the end of the day.. what happens when he gets there and doesn't deliver what the hopes people have projected upon him? People are so desperate for change.. the last 8yrs have sucked and have been horrible.. Perhaps Obama would re-think his policy when he gets into this mess.. I don't know. To just say people were jealous of Edwards is stupid and mindless shit.. and it is no way to bring people into your camp. Edwards people on this site spoke about policy.. real direction.. not hope, but tangible solid evidence of progression. I guess people need hope before action?

[democrattotheend]

65. I think most of the activists who supported Edwards have broken for Obama

But among those who simply voted for him it may be more mixed.

[redqueen]

67. Still makes no sense to me.

Not only due to what John said about her & her campaign...


"The Clinton campaign has no conscience," Edwards said, after Clinton spokesman Jay Carson said Edwards does no more than "read articles about people who need help and talk about them."

"The idea that everything is about them (suggests) that they have no conscience," Edwards said of the Clinton campaign, my colleague Josh Kraushaar reports. "I'm very surprised by the comments."




"I didn't hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead," Edwards said. "Every time he speaks out for change, every time I fight for change, the forces of status quo are going to attack -- every single time."




"I think that voters have to ask themselves is: do you believe that the candidate who's raised the most money from Washington lobbyists, Democrat or Republican, the candidate who's raised the most money from the health industry, drug companies, health insurance companies, the candidate who's raised the most money from the defence industry, Republican or Democrat - and the answer to all of those questions is: that's Senator Clinton. Will she be the person who brings about the change in this country? You know, I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy. But I don't think that's going to happen. I really don't. I think that if people want the status quo, Senator Clinton is your candidate."

[bpeale]

71. your perspective doesn't mean squat. this edwards supporter will vote for neither

[redqueen]

126. Unless it's right.

Good for you for not voting. Enjoy your little tantrum.

[LSK]

43. Obama

[Raine]

46. Went from Edwards to Obama

and I'm very happy with that choice. :-)

[uponit7771]

56. Richards, then Edwards then Obama

[jackson_dem]

64. Clinton

[bpeale]

68. i support neither & will not vote for either in the fall

[frogmarch]

69. Ambivalent

I like both Obama and Hillary OK. Or maybe I just don't dislike either of them. :shrug:

In the GE I'll vote for whichever one of them wins the Democratic nomination.

[Stop Cornyn]

70. I'm an Edwards Democrat who prefers Hillary's health care plan and Obama's everything-else plan

I voted and caucused for Obama because he's a plus (versus Hillary's large minus) in terms of support for the down ballot ticket here in Texas, but I'll vote Democrat in November.

[Geek_Girl]

73. I voted for Obama and still support him

but I had a hard time making that decision. I think they are pretty much the same on policy.

[RiverStone]

74. Well, ya know Edwards prefers someone!

Just wonder if he intends to share that tidbit.

My advice to him would be to wait and endorse our nominee - when said nominee is officially known.

[benny05]

77. And that is what he and Al Gore will do

Whether it is Clinton or Obama.

next.

[Two Americas]

75. "support"

I call bullshit on this concept of "support? What the Hell does "support" mean?

Looks to me that is means personally identify with a celebrity on an emotional level, and then use that as an excuse for bashing the crap out of allies and comrades and sending the party down in flames once again. Looks to me like an excuse to be self-righteous and arrogant. Looks to me like an excuse to avoid facing any serious issues, or do any critical thinking.

Why don't we ask which politician supports the people? Why don't we ask which politician is working for the desperate needs of the people, rather than arguing about which politician's career we should each be personally promoting?

When did it cease to be a representative democracy, and when did we decide to be zealous, half-crazed unpaid public relations agents frantically promoting the careers of wealthy and powerful celebrities, rather than demanding that the politicians represent the interests of the people?

An argument about which green vegetable we each prefer would be more fun, and less destructive.

Spinach. I support spinach.

Anyone who doesn't is obviously some sort of lunatic, racist, DLC, neocon, war mongering idiot whom I will never take seriously again. Who needs 'em?

[balantz]

83. Absolutely, T A, those in government should be supporting US.

You are correct, it has come to supporting "rich celebrities" backed by corporate profit. Just like wealthy stars who are backed by the corporations they advertise for.

Perhaps "support" is a poor word choice. But it is true, when Edwards was in the race I did support him. I couldn't really do much in the money department, but I wrote letters to editors, blogged my support and talked about him to people around me. I did these things because I felt that he and his proposed agenda best supported me and the values I agree with.

edit: fixed a sentence

[Two Americas]

95. "promote and advance"

You tirelessly and honestly promoted and advanced and defended the core ideas of the Edwards candidacy, and still do. That is politics. That is all politics is or ever will be.

Selecting a "personal choice" for our favorite celebrity and then engaging in cult-like hero worship - which happens to some extent with all candidates - as though one's personal choice were what politics was about or as though that mattered to anyone, and as though we were shopping and selecting a piece of merchandise off the shelf or converting to some new spiritual "belief system" - that is what most modern people mean when they say "support." That is also why the general public has a jaundiced view of modern liberalism, and why the Republicans so effortlessly clean our clock.

[balantz]

98. Hero worship goes back to the stone age. Tribal warrior stuff.

Most of us are caught up in such nonsense at least to some extent. There are so many emotions involved when it comes to choosing leaders. Frankly, I wish we could evolve beyond a single "leader figure". The concept is so manipulated. It is an easy way to sweep people up by their emotions, especially when there is so much riding on the selection of a president.

Far too much manipulation going on by the elite.

[Turn CO Blue]

78. Was an Edwards Dem, now for Obama. n/t

[Greyskye]

81. Voted by mail in CA for Edwards the night before he dropped out.

Boy, did that ever suck. :(

I now support Obama.

[Indenturedebtor]

84. Edwards supporter now Obama supporter

I wanted the most liberal candidate with a chance at victory. Edwards poverty proposals were great. Obama's ability to motivate people to actually get some liberal reforms will work wonders I believe.

[billyoc]

85. I really, REALLY wanted Edwards. Now I'm just keeping the DLC at bay. nt

[Two Americas]

87. there's blood everywhere now

"We plan to build a grass-roots business organization so strong that when it bites you in the butt, you bleed."

Chamber of Commerce vows to punish anti-business candidates

"We plan to build a grass-roots business organization so strong that when it bites you in the butt, you bleed," chamber President Tom Donohue said.

The group indicates it will spend in excess of the approximately $60 million it put out in the last presidential cycle.

By Tom Hamburger, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
January 8, 2008

Alarmed at the increasingly populist tone of the 2008 political campaign, the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is set to issue a fiery promise to spend millions of dollars to defeat candidates deemed to be anti-business.

<snip>

In the interview Monday, Donohue said he was unhappy with anti-corporate rhetoric coming from candidates in both parties and he wanted candidates to know about the chamber's ambitious plans.The concerns Donohue expresses reveal apprehension that Republican pro-business candidates may lose favor with voters and that the GOP's important but fragile alliance between economic and social conservatives is showing signs of strain.

<snip>

Even more than Republicans, Democratic candidates have boosted the volume of populist messages as the economy softens. Edwards, whose trial lawyer past has been openly criticized by Donohue for years, launched new advertisements that warn against the danger of replacing "corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats." The middle class, Edwards says in the new ad, is "losing ground while CEOs pocket million-dollar bonuses and corporate lobbyists get their way in Washington."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-chamber8jan08,0,4301350.story

[balantz]

93. I haven't forgotten that article.

These are the enemy of us who are on the lower economic rungs, and they ARE manipulating our political process and have been for a long, long time. They dictate more than most of us are aware of. They are the elite who own and control the media in this country and hold the hands of many politicians from both parties.

[Two Americas]

99. the battle

The Republicans know exactly what the battle is about, where the battle lines are drawn, and what is at stake. We don't. They win.

"The resolute enemy within our gates is ever ready to beat down our words unless in greater courage we will fight for them."

[redqueen]

130. And that's why when Edwards said these things, some of us took it as a hint.

"The Clinton campaign has no conscience," Edwards said, after Clinton spokesman Jay Carson said Edwards does no more than "read articles about people who need help and talk about them."

"The idea that everything is about them (suggests) that they have no conscience," Edwards said of the Clinton campaign, my colleague Josh Kraushaar reports. "I'm very surprised by the comments."




"I didn't hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead," Edwards said. "Every time he speaks out for change, every time I fight for change, the forces of status quo are going to attack -- every single time."




"I think that voters have to ask themselves is: do you believe that the candidate who's raised the most money from Washington lobbyists, Democrat or Republican, the candidate who's raised the most money from the health industry, drug companies, health insurance companies, the candidate who's raised the most money from the defence industry, Republican or Democrat - and the answer to all of those questions is: that's Senator Clinton. Will she be the person who brings about the change in this country? You know, I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy. But I don't think that's going to happen. I really don't. I think that if people want the status quo, Senator Clinton is your candidate."

[unc70]

159. Edwards said similar things questioning Obama on corporate ties, ...

Early on, Edwards certainly made somewhat more attacks against the front-runner, Clinton, than against Obama or anyone else. In the early debates, it was only Edwards who had the ability to land any blows against her and start the decline in her poll numbers. Obama lacks the verbal agility and conciseness to be effective in debates.

But Edwards did not spare Obama, particularly on health care and energy/environment. Edwards also pointed out Obama receiving the most contributions from the health care and pharma industries (I think those were the two).

I supported Edwards from the beginning for a lot of reasons and a year ago rated Obama and Clinton among my least-favorite of our candidates when the debates began. I could find many positives with each one of our candidates, but also negatives with each. Coming from the populist wing of the party in NC, I found both Obama and Clinton too far in the corporate/business direction.

Following Iowa, I started looking more closely at Obama since I already knew a lot about Clinton. Maybe because I am old, cynical, and results oriented, I never was impressed by Obama, not even his speeches; they were performed reasonably well except for the tele-prompters and never facing the camera, but seemed relatively ordinary in content.

Since then, as I have read more about him, his family, his associates, his statements, his experience, I have become increasingly uneasy about him, the facts versus the legend. His life story, mostly presented in his books, reminds me of resumes that are slightly "off" with inconsistencies in timeline, education, employment, skills. So I began reading various MSM articles about him and his complex family. Almost no aspect of his life quite matches the version from his books and on his web site.

Because of all the problems I found and the risks they pose, this week I have decided that I will vote for Clinton next week. I am not a Clinton supporter, just an Edwards supporter faced with an unpleasant choice. I have no illusions about Clinton, and I would vote for Obama in November against McCain.

While Edwards was still running, I posted a few times against Obama, mostly wrt to how he and Clinton misrepresented their respective positions wrt Iraq. I have avoided posting publicly any of my specific concerns about Obama until I have seen that concern widely discussed elsewhere. (I have PM with several of you here at DU.)

Here are some the issues that influenced my decision:

1. I much prefer Clinton's positions on major domestic issues like health care to Obama's. Have some foreign policy issues with each. Don't like the pandering by either.

2. Almost nothing in Obama's "born in a log cabin"-like autobiography seems to hold up to close scrutiny. Even little things that shouldn't matter to anyone. Was his "Christian mother born and raised in Kansas" also a "very liberal UUA/atheist from Mercer Island, Washington"? Which of his parents earned a PhD? Almost never mentioned is that his mother earned a PhD in Anthropology, while his father only received a Masters from Harvard. (Why all the focus on his missing-from-birth father to the exclusion of his mother?)

While Obama's family was not rich and he did attend school in Hawaii with the help of a scholarship (AFAIK), they were solidly middle glass professionals. His grandmother was the senior VP of a major bank and head of the Escrow Department; while banks were not known for high pay, she was much more successful than implied. In Indonesia, after first living in a modest neighborhood for two years, his stepfather moved the family into one of the best neighborhoods and there are references to being around the pool at his step-father's club. That looks like maybe even upper-level professional to me.

3. All the too-clever-by-half posturing on religion is really resonating among voters. "No way he could sit in church for 20 years and not hear any of this." This is the kind of issue that people can understand. The Muslim issue is much the same type problem. The initial denials of any connections to Islam except through his now-agnostic and absent father following the madrassa emails have now eroded to "never a practicing Muslim". From what I can tell, he probably had two hours a week of Islamic religious instruction at the public school in Indonesia (and Christian instruction the previous two years) and attended a few Islamic celebrations and some Christian services. Rather than describe this as similar to the many mixed-faith, mostly-secular families we all know who respect each others traditions, he completely denies any connection and leaves himself open to questions about what he might be trying to hide. I suspect he really does not want the see the phrase "black Muslim" to describe him.

4. Rezko could still explode on the scene. The trial is grinding along and who knows. The Obama/Rezko house deal looks really bad to me and I know quite a bit about real estate, sham transactions, etc. It does not pass the smell test. In spite of claims that there is nothing to any of this and that it has been debunked, it has not been debunked.

5. Allison Davis, the senior partner at Obama's law firm who became Rezko's partner, is now turning up in trial testimony.

6. Obama's mentor in Hawaii whom he referred to only as Frank is now reported as being Frank Marshall Davis. If true, it adds a really interesting aspect to Obama's story, but will mostly be used against him because of his Communist Park membership. It has already begun.

7. I hated his attacking Boomers by using the Helms/Reagan talking points about the excesses and fighting etc.

8. I have not found any independent proof that Obama actually gave "that speech" on October 2, 2008. He did speak, but there is only a few seconds of video of him that day; everything else is a recreation based upon a press release he sent out three weeks later, after the benefit of the debate, the votes, and all the resulting uproar. I have a lot more hard evidence that Clinton's mother could have seen articles on Edmund Hillary while pregnant than I do that Obama gave that speech! (BTW a Google search is not good enough)


I really miss John Edwards.

[gateley]

88. For Edwards/Clinton people --

Several months ago I heard some psychic on the radio predict that it would be Hillary with JE on the ticket for her VP, and they would win the WH.

Why it sticks out in my mind is because at the time she said that the Rep nom would be McCain. At the time, he had one foot in the presidential candidate grave and he virtually had no chance. And now look.

She also said that Giuliani would be his VP. Now, I'm rolling my eyes about that one, but I was rolling my eyes about McCain being the nom, too!

So.... If McCain picks Giuliani for VP, it just might bode well for your two faves. :hi:

[Two Americas]

91. "faves"

Hi gateley. You are more of a "fave" than any celebrity/politician. I strongly supported the Edwards candidacy - not the Edwards personality - and have been defending Clinton supporters from what I see as unwarranted abuse, and have been critical of the way some Obama supporters have behaved.

My "fave" list, and where my political loyalties are:

1. First and foremost I am loyal to the people, especially the abused, neglected and forgotten, the poor and the homeless, the persecuted and oppressed minority people.

3. Secondly I am loyal to the people here, be they Clinton or Biden or Obama or Edwards or Kucinich supporters. Yes, Dodd, Richardson, McKinney, Clark supporters as well and anyone I left out.

3. Thirdly I am loyal to the traditional principles and ideals of the Democratic party and the political left.

Politicians and parties? When and if they ever honor those first three, then we can talk about that.

[gateley]

94. Poor choice of words. I apologize.

Good points you make. :hi:

[Two Americas]

96. oh hey no problem

:hug:

[sandiegoboy]

89. There's no way to tell if Obama supporters are lying about being Edwards supporters

And clicking the "i am an Edwards supporter" option. Even if Hillary supporters were doing the same, Obama supporters are much more numerous here.
This poll is more than non-scientific. It's useless.

[balantz]

90. True.

But it has been a good way to get some Edwards supporters together to express their views.

[Califooyah Operative]

100. I was an Edwards supporter before defecting to Barack!

[GetTheRightVote]

I liked his ideals the best at first but now it is Obama

[GetTheRightVote]

101. I liked his ideals the best at first but now it is Obama

[Two Americas]

104. gee

Where were all of these "Edwards supporters" when we needed them?

:shrug:

I guess it is kinda like "Reagan Democrats."

[balantz]

105. I still can't fathom that term, "Reagan Democrats"!

I'm sure the concept is a republican invention.

[spooky3]

106. exactly what I was wondering

there are sooooo many more Edwards supporters voting in this poll than I have ever seen at DU. I wonder why?

[balantz]

107. I know, 260 "Edwards Democrats" answered this poll.

:eyes:

[redqueen]

132. Upthread you asked me why I was biting back at someone

who insiuated that I was going to the Edwards board to proselytize.

Now here you are attempting to say that Obama supporters are lying, comparing them to Reagan democrats.

May I now direct your same question back at you... what are you trying to accomplish with this post?

[Two Americas]

144. not necessarily

I said "where were all of these Edwards supporters when we needed them?" There could be a number of explanations for that other than that they are lying. Edwards had a lot of nominal support here at one time, according to the straw polls. Many of the supporters may at the time have merely had a vague preference for Edwards, enough to get them to vote for him in straw polls but not enough to get them to ever post much that promoted Edwards. That is one explanation.

"Reagan Democrats" - that is in reference to people who perhaps were not very strong Democrats to begin with, and that is perfectly apt here. My implication - not "insinuation" - is that perhaps many now saying that they were Edwards supporters at one time were not very strong Edwards supporters. No insinuation, no accusation that anyone is lying.

[redqueen]

153. The quotes around "Edwards supporters" says more than you think it does. (nt)

[saltpoint]

108. Senator Obama. I agree with John Edwards that Sen. Clinton's corporate

ties are antithetical to a progressive agenda.

[Catchawave]

121. So why didn't he endorse Obama ?

:shrug:

Obviously the voters could care less about a "progressive agenda", otherwise we'd have John Edwards as the presumptive nominee right now.

Oh wait, that was the media's fault :silly:

[saltpoint]

122. The media notwithstanding, Edwards withdrew because the votes weren't there.

You might try starting with a few facts.

Two other Democrats outpolled him. Significantly. One does not have to abandon Edwards' best vision for the country to nevertheless play the game as it is played.

Edwards said what he said about Clinton. As you well know.

[Catchawave]

164. Now you're "playing politics"....

I liked you better in your Edwards mode :hi:

[saltpoint]

165. I'm in Democratic mode, darlin'. You might want to update your file.

[Catchawave]

166. I just did....

but I bet you're still here. :silly:

[saltpoint]

168. Have been with the Dems a long time, Catchawave.

I've stuffed a lot of envelopes.

Senator Clinton is a losing proposition ballot-wide and across multiple regions.

You ought to spend some time with the county Dem organizers here and there. They'll tell you flat-out that their down-ballot percentages would be better with Obama.

[Catchawave]

172. Not a chance....I'm in

Pat Robertson's district. Obama was tanking even before his pastorgate. So was Webb, and so will Warner. Gak.

Wait, so were the other Dem candidates since ought-7 :)

Good luck to you, I'll pull for my girl to the end, then I just don't give a flip if I picked another miss. I may be a bleeding heart liberal, but at least I have a heart. Don't see that with your guy. :hi:

[saltpoint]

173. Pretty cheap shot. He's someone's husband, he's dad to two girls.

Where do you get off slamming people like that?

[Catchawave]

175. That Dad exposes his two girls to hate speech?

Oh, nevermind. See you on the "other side" :bounce:

[saltpoint]

176. Yeah. Cheap shot's what I typed and cheap shot's what I meant.

DU's a thin slice of the Dem electorate but Senator Obama appears to be doing pretty well in the current poll above.

Who knows -- there might be a message in there somewhere.

[Catchawave]

178. I'm happy for you too :)

Good luck :hi:

[saltpoint]

179. And to you.

[balantz]

115. Some of you may need to check your reckless fervor to get your man in the door.

Because there is no way that so many Edwards Democrats are now Obama supporters. The math doesn't work.

[redqueen]

133. Just can't state that accusation enough, can you?

Might want to just go ahead and put it in your sig. It'll save time.

[Two Americas]

146. you are pretty defensive about this

It would be just as valid to say to you that "you just can't beat down this idea enough, can you?"

There is no way that 260 or whatever people here were promoting the Edwards ideas with the same alacrity and zealotry that they are now responding to this poll. May we point that out? Or would that obliquely offend someone or tweak some guilty consciences, and therefore threaten a particular narrative as to what is happening here?

I would guess that no matter which candidate was mentioned - former Biden supporters, former Kucinich supporters - the results would be about the same. Would you not agree? So the poll is a reflection of Obama support, not of what Edwards supporters did.

That means that we are criticizing the poll, if anything. You are hearing it as a criticism of you or of Obama supporters. Perhaps we should say "the wicked flee where no man pursues" or "of the shoe fits, wear it."

[redqueen]

152. You're conflating things. Why?

There is a difference between clicking on a poll and "promoting ... ideas with ... alacrity and zealotry."

And furthermore, I'm not as assured as you are that "there is no way that 260" Edwards supporters were here before.

So all the conclusions that you draw from those assumptions are IMO invalid.


As for the difference in degree (alacrity and zealotry :eyes:), is it really that much of a stretch to think that people's passions may have been inflamed over the course of the past few months, during which Hillary has managed to insult Obama's supporters, activists, etc.?

[Two Americas]

160. redqueen, I don't care

I don't care about any of your "points," I am not on either "side" in this adolescent and destructive food fight between supporters of the two candidates, and don't care what you think about what I said.

[redqueen]

161. I see that quite clearly.

You "respect" CJP, who has been as nasty as anyone else on this board... and far nastier than I have... but you criticize me with abandon.

You don't have to care...

[Two Americas]

162. well ok then

Find a new dancing partner.

[JANdad]

116. Unless JRE is on the

Ticket...he will get my write-in vote in the GE

[OhioChick]

117. Obama n/t

[lastliberalintexas]

118. Neither, but either in Nov

I don't care for either, they are both centrist to moderately left politicians who seem like decent enough people but are very status quo. But I've made the long journey to writing in someone to the left of Eisenhower to simply acknowledging that I will vote for the Dem nominee in Nov.



Though I was only an Edwards supporter by default once Gore decided not to jump in and Kucinich had such weak showings so early on. I liked him after he humbled himself over his IWR vote, and I loved his economic policies. I actually thought he would have made a fabulous 2nd half to a Gore ticket. :)

[barack the house]

119. Good folk are Edwards people. Speaks well for John too.

[aquarius dawning]

120. 292 Edwards supporters responding? If he had that much support a few months ago, he would have won.

I call bullshit.

[mtnsnake]

127. No kidding. It's obvious that a lot of people voting in this poll aren't Edwards supporters

The only honest way to do it would be to do it as a post, not a poll. Then you could tell by the responses of all the Edwards supporters themselves. Either that, or do a poll in the Edwards Support Group, not in GDP, which is overrun by Clinton haters.

[Catchawave]

141. A support group poll would still be freeped

by anyone with a donor star :evilgrin:

[casus belli]

131. Is that a 3am call? n/t

[aquarius dawning]

135. 12:33 pm actually.

[Renew Deal]

138. There were never 308 Edwards supporters on DU

But this is amusing.

[Lilith Velkor]

143. Yeah there were

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3649440

[redqueen]

156. Hah. Brilliant. Thank you.

[Two Americas]

163. right

And they all found this poll very quickly, while the hundred or so Edwards supporters I know best didn't?

Only those who are not very active mysteriously were transformed into active and frequent visitors when this poll got posted.

We can't know, of course with certainty. If some of us are surprised and suspicious, so what? We can express that opinion without being hunted down as heretics.

[Lilith Velkor]

180. Eh, it's just a poll

I doubt a lot of respondents to this one were even around back in October, and the ones who were more likely supported Kucinich, then Edwards before jumping on the O-train.

[tnlefty]

139. I voted for Edwards in our primary. Spouse voted Obama.

Kucinich was my #1, followed by Edwards and sadly the 2 remaining were always at the bottom of my list, Hillary being at the very bottom. I was doing a lot of listening and watching and I have been disgusted by some of the tactics the Clinton campaign has used.

I'm more than sick of being told that I'm a woman hating woman, a self hating woman, and other outrageous insults for not supporting Hillary, so I guess you can figure out how I voted in your poll.

[balantz]

140. Thanks for your honesty.

A rare commodity it seems at times around here.

[tnlefty]

142. Well to be brutally honest...

I attended some Draft Gore meetings, but when he requested the effort be stopped we quit meeting. When my spouse's and my first 2 choices are the same we agree to vote accordingly in the primary. He settled on Edwards last spring and I was supposed to vote for Kucinich, then Dennis dropped out so we were both supporting Edwards. I was appreciative of Dodd, Biden and Richardson at times, too.

For example, when Richardson mentioned that NCLB should be scrapped and the minimum pay for teachers should be $40K I was cheering and called a teacher friend, who I knew wasn't watching the debates, just to relay what he'd said.

Dennis and John were the only 2 that I donated to. Now we are where we are and McSame is NOT an option.

[krabigirl]

151. I voted the latter, but am now thinking about Obama. I will vote for the D in Nov.

[MrSlayer]

167. I went to Obama after Edwards suspended his campaign.

The obvious choice.

[Tribetime]

170. Obama now

[and-justice-for-all]

171. Obama 08!

[Condem]

174. Never a question!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

177. My progression went from

Gore to Edwards to Obama. I voted for Edwards in the CA primary just before he dropped out. And voted in the poll above. The dozen or so folks I worked with on the "Draft Gore" campaign back in October and November took the identical route I did. We've all enthusiastically sent money to both Edwards and Obama and will send more to Barack. It's a pleasure.