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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:23 PM
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Clinton knows she cannot win the nomination. The Clintons have now switched to plan C.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 03:27 PM by AdHocSolver
In a previous post, I described Clinton plan B, which was essentially to help McCain win in 2008 by sabotaging Obama's candidacy. Bringing up racial issues to "scare" right-wingers to vote for McCain, questioning Obama's ability to be ommander-in-Chief, in spite of the fact that neither she nor McCain have any more credible credentials than Obama, and unfairly accusing Obama supporters of being sexist to rile up her own supporters to be hostile to Obama.

The goal of plan B was to help McCain win in 2008 so that Clinton would present herself as the I-told-you-so candidate in 2012 to run for the Presidency. However, I pointed out that a downside of plan B is that this scenario would so fracture the Democratic Party that it wouldn't be able to elect a dog catcher let alone a president.

While the Clintons demonstrate a vile overwhelming lust for power at all costs, they aren't stupid. They have to understand that their actions will debilitate the Democratic Party and make Hillary, even should she somehow get the nomination, unelectable. She has only one real shot to become president in 2012.

Her courting the right wing, her praising McCain over Obama, and her playing the "race" card all point to only one logical conclusion. Hillary Clinton is working strenuosly to become John McCain's vice-presidential running mate.

You don't see McCain willingly picking Hillary to be his running mate? It won't be a willing choice. McCain isn't driving the bus. He is merely along for the ride. Obama's main constituency, African Americans, the young, and new voters are readily targeted by the Republicans and the right-wing for disenfranchisement. The Republicans have proven methods in place to deny these groups the vote or "lose" the vote count.

On the other hand, we have Hillary's constituency, "older" thinking, cynical, conservative, and many who fervently believe that women have been more "oppressed" in our history than black people. This is a group upon whom history, facts, and logic have no influence. They will willingly follow her anywhere, even off a cliff. (To those who say how can I describe her constituency in this way, all that you have to do is string together the pro-Hillary posts here on DU and extract the common theme that runs through them. It isn't rocket science.)

This agenda has Karl Rove's mentality all over it. It sounds far-fetched, an attack that Democrats could never see coming, and wouldn't believe even if described to them. Aside from a few notable exceptions, such as Howard Dean and John Edwards, the leadership of the Democratic Party is fatally flawed by a lack of imagination and an arrogance that knows no limit and ensures failure.

While Joe Lieberman fawns over McCain to garner a Cabinet position, Hillary wants no less than to be McCain's running mate. Her defection will shatter the Democratic Party and doom it to irrelevancy. McCain will be president for one term and then step aside for his V-P to run in 2012. The way will be paved for generations of Bush-Clinton dynasties under a Republican political hegemony.

Most of you are now trying to convince yourselves that I am loony and this scenario could never happen. My answer to you is that your skepticism is shared by roadkill just before contact.



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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:26 PM
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1. Worried?
If you believe she has no chance to win, why are you worried about a non existant plan C?
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:31 PM
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2. Feeling used comes to mind. Sad sad sad... She is a monster.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:35 PM
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3. In an twisted I would like that because by the time Obama gets through with the
concept of "establishment" linking the aged one McCain and Clinton....

Not only that, people like Kucinich and Gore, and Edwards would rally a movement to render the Clintons completely irrelevant and kick them OUT of the democratic party.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:38 PM
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4. I seriously doubt this will happen.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:43 PM
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5. I have fathomed this as well...
She is so fucking desparate, I wouldn't put it past her...

McWobble/Hillary INC. 2008
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:46 PM
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6. I think you give the Clinton's way, way too much credit...
...but OK. It seems as plausible as any of the other conspiracies out there.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:49 PM
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7. Sorry can't buy this one.
There are to many republicans that can't stand the Clintons, and they don't much like McCain! "IF" they were on the same ticket, they lose. I think that any ticket with Hillary on it is a loser this year. If she would have dropped out earlier, the maybe running as Obama's VP might have worked, still have doubts about that, but not any longer. All I see Hillary doing now is killing any chance for political gain in the future!
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:26 PM
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10. That is true. Clinton would lose McCain Repub votes. But he would gain a lot of Hillbot votes...
and when you subtract those votes from Obama, together with the disenfranchisement and "losing" of African American and young people's votes through the Republican dirty tricks machine, McCain could squeek by with a victory.

Neither Clinton nor McCain have anything to lose, and everything to gain.

According to other posts on DU, a lot of right-wing talking heads are starting to make nice with Hillary. I interpret that as trying to make her acceptable to Republican voters.

I agree with your statement that Hillary is "killing any chance for political gain". However, I would add "as a Democrat", but not as a Republican. Her recent actions can lead to only one conclusion: she is looking to run as a Republican.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:55 PM
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8. I think she is thinking about Denver, as well she should be. This race is going to the convention
and if Obama doesn't like it he can end it at the ballot box by pulling way ahead. He's already gotten himself additional votes by pretending that his nomination is a foregone conclusion. And the media has helped him out. In reality, no race this close has ever ended before one candidate had locked up a majority of all the delegates. Barack is just trying to end it before Kentucky, West Virginia and Puerto Rico all come in.

Steve
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:03 PM
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9. One toke over the line sweet Jesus, one toke over the line
You are clearly delusional.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:01 PM
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11. Whadda crocka chickenshit bullshit.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:03 PM
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12. Hillary seems to forget we already had a Joe Lieberman...
OK, she wants to be the next Joe Lieberman. Well, look what Joe had to do to carry on.... LEAVE THE PARTY.

Hint...hint...hint...

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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:10 PM
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13. Like all her plans, its not reality based.
First of all, if there's one person RW lunatics hate worse than McCain, it's Hillary. Second, McCain also has money problems... if Hillary was bringing a cash infusion into McCain's campaign, then plan C might have merit. But Hillary is in even worse shape financially than McCain. Who the hell wants to saddle themself with an unelectable running mate who also brings $15M in debt aboard?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:11 PM
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14. Not gonna happen
For one very simple reason: The right hates Hillary more than they hate Bill, Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. You could put Jack the Ripper on a ballot against Hillary and the right would vote for "Saucy Jack" every time and it's not because of her politics, it's because of her as a person. The right already distrust McCain, they would crucify him (possibly literally) if he picked Hillary as his VP.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:17 PM
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15. McCain can't get 75% of the Republican vote in a primary as the presumptive nominee!
I can just see how he fairs with a Clinton as his running mate. :rofl:
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:41 PM
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16. "Hillary Clinton is working strenuosly to become John McCain's vice-presidential running mate."
Have you seen this in a mirror near you?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:42 PM
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17. Not even seventhson in all of his glory
could top this one.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:43 PM
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18. I don't think you're loony
I do, however, think you're mistaken.

Your take on plan B was much more convincing.

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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:45 PM
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19. Whether Clinton can win the nomination is irrelevant. Obama is UNELECTABLE.
:nuke:
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:52 PM
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20. Think about it, they removed Howard Dean by naming him to the DNC
so it would clear the path for HRC in 2008 (how's that working out for you Hill?). Does it really shock anyone to know they'd be this calculating?
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