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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:29 AM
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While we were all pastorgasming, did anyone notice what SCOTUS did?
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=48153f9b39ca10fa&ei=L-wVSILuJJi4qwOkv5W4Cg&url=http%3A//blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/28/high-court-shoots-down-challenge-to-indianas-voter-id-law/&cid=0&sig2=vq_tcaOAvE-RQDEwQ57h2Q&usg=AFrqEzcO_dCd9JkkpfzFdGjzS1fwsnDeTA


So Heads up Hoosiers.. Better have your IDs ready and here's hoping the little blue-haired Hillary supporter accepts it as valid..

The issue to me is that now there is NO time left for people who do not have all the documents available, to GET an approved ID...so there will probably be MANY people who have been voting for decades, who will get a rude surprise on May 6th..

I keep saying that the local democratic parties in poorer areas would be smarter to FIRST make sure that ALL their poorer constituents HAVE good and approved IDS and THEN fight the issue in court. Doing it bassackwards only puts them at risk of not being able to vote when a state passes a law like this, and wastes a TON of money trying to get SCOTUS to uphold their challenge..(not likely with THIS SCOTUS)
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April 28, 2008, 11:06 am
High Court Shoots Down Challenge to Indianas Voter ID Law
Posted by Dan Slater

scotusThe hot-button topic of whether states can, without violating the Constitution, require voters to produce photo ID was settled today. Delivering a splintered 6-3 ruling in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, the Court upheld Indianas strict photo ID requirement. Heres the early report from the AP (via MSNBC), the oral argument transcript, and todays opinion.

The law is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting the integrity and reliability of the electoral process, Justice Stevens wrote in an opinion joined by Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Kennedy. Justices Alito, Scalia and Thomas agreed with the outcome, but wrote separately. Justices Breyer, Ruth Ginsburg and Souter dissented.

The case concerned a state law, passed in 2005, that was backed by Republicans as a way to deter voter fraud. According to the AP, Democrats and civil rights groups opposed the law as an effort to discourage elderly, poor and minority voters those most likely to lack proper ID and who tend to vote for Democrats. Over at SCOTUS Blog, Lyle Denniston agrees, writing that the ruling could be a big victory for Republicans come election time, since the requirement for proof of ID is likely to fall most heavily on voters long assumed to be identified with the Democrats particularly, minority and poor voters.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:32 AM
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1. This ia what I am talking about the media. Is a weapon of
mass Distraction. They help distract the peiople while the government fucks them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:44 AM
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4. Exactly - it's a TACTIC and why the fascists bought cntrol of most broadcast media in the 80s
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 10:44 AM by blm
and 90s. The US newsmedia has become the PR Dept for fascist agenda.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:39 AM
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2. I caught that too..
They will stop at nothing to screw the Democrats. They know this is primarily who it affects. More disgusting actions from this disgraceful government, I guess stealing the Presidency and getting away with it once, just made them more confident they can do it again.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:46 AM
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6. The thing that bothers me the most is that NO ONE cares enough
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 10:47 AM by SoCalDem
to call their bluff..

1. get the people their IDS
2. then go to court

If you lose in court, it's no biggie because the people you count on to go to the polls have the proper ID and can continue to vote. If you win in court, you have won TWICE.. The people have a decent ID that can be used in other areas of their life, and they can still continue to vote..

I know that it sucks to make poor people jump through what seems to be extra hoops, but when you have republican legistaures who spend 99% of their time trying to befuddle voters on "the other side", you MUST be pro-active....not re-active...Call the bastards' bluff..

Having good ID is not a bad thing anyway. It might actually mean that some of these people, especially the elderly might be able to get real bank accounts if they had decent ID..and not have to use neighborhood check-cashing places who rip them off..and if they need it to travel somewhere, they would be prepared too.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:58 AM
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7. I agree with you that
it is certainly beneficial for them to have them anyway. I guess I was just thinking how difficult it would be, especially for older people, who might find it especially tedious and a financial burden. $15 isn't a lot of money to me, but I can see how it is for a lot of people this day and age. Then there's the time issue, they did this so close to the primary. And then I worry that the young people who might not have one just won't care about voting enough to bother with the extra trouble.

I think the DMV's should be required to offer at least a reduced rate or even free I.D. cards to people in the low income range. Not driver's license, but just the I.D. card that you need to conduct a lot of business.

So overall, I think you're right, and hopefully the impact will be minimal.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:05 AM
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9. The lawsuit costs certainly are more than it would cost to just make sure they have IDs
When you always are trying to "catch up", it's harder to "win"..

At the grassroots level, if you are a democratic organizer, it would behoove you to send people out to knock on doors and ask people if they have the proper ID..If they do NOT, then it would also be a good idea to see that they DO have..or it's of no pratical use to send people out on election day to get them to the polls..now is it?
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:07 AM
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10. Yes, another good point
I just find it unfortunate.
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:52 AM
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17. We fought the law AND helped people get their IDs.
What's wrong with that?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:53 AM
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19. Nothing at all.. That IS the solution..congrats to you all
:)
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:48 PM
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23. won't they be able to use a provisional ballot until they get the proper ID?
I agree that the whole concept of this type of fraud is absurd.

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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:11 AM
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24. Major education and preparation needs to be done before GE,
and this would include helping all those voters w/o picture ID, to get it. Help transport them and pay for the ID, if necessary. Also, everyone who thinks they are already registered to vote, needs to verify they are still on the rolls, and that ALL their info (address, etc.) is ACCURATE, so that they can't be challenged when they go to vote.

This is how they prevented over 3 million people's votes from being counted last time. We should be able to take corrective action in advance, right?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:41 AM
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3. All your DNA are belong to us.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:44 AM
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5. K&R
:(
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:59 AM
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8. Saw that, those bastards, ok, I will vote for the Dem nominee
when I see SCOTUS pulling shit like that, it gives me pause for thought.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:34 AM
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11. always the 'other hand'...
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:37 AM
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12. K & R
:thumbsup:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:39 AM
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13. Yep I noticed.
Jim Crow politics.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:43 AM
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14. VOTER FRAUD isn't the problem. ELECTION FRAUD is
Broken machines in primarily poor and black districts, malfunctioning machines, machines that miscount or don't count the votes (and NO paper trail or verification) thwarted Democratic voter registration drives, voter "challenges", GROSSLY erroneous voter cleansing lists, etc. etc.

NOW, in addition to that, they can demand photo-id and thereby prevent a LOT of poor, elderly, and minorities from voting THAT way,too.

:mad:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:51 AM
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16. Yup.. that's our SCOTUS
Cracking down on an issue that has never even ONCE been prosecuted or even proven, but totally ignoring the inherent unfairness of the whole system:eyes:
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:50 AM
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15. The "rude surprise" came years ago.
This has already been enforced in the last few elections and those of us in the local party organization have been working on getting the word out and getting people the IDs they need.

If anyone in Indiana is surprised by this then they haven't been paying attention and they haven't tried to vote in the last few years.

The law is bullshit but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:53 AM
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18. I'm glad to hear that.. Not glad it happened, but glad you are on top of it
Ages ago when we lived in Indiana, we actually had a card that said "Voter ID" on it.. They gave it to us when we registered.. I guess they no longer do that :shrug:
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:02 PM
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20. They still mail Voter ID cards but for a different purpose.
The ID card won't get you a ballot but if the post office returns the mailer, you get purged from the voter rolls.

BTW - "pastorgasming" LOL!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:14 PM
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21. JFCOAPS!!!
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 12:23 PM by Breeze54
:grr:

I thought all this "voter :eyes: fraud" BS was done!! :banghead:

And here it is again, rearing it's ugly, RethugliCON head!

INDIANA Identification Cards

http://www.dmv.org/in-indiana/id-cards.php

If you don't have a driver's license, it is a good idea to have some other sort

of photo identification, such as a state identification card.

There are just too many occasions in daily life that you are required

to provide photographic proof of your identity.

Not the least of these is when you http://www.dmv.org/in-indiana/voter-registration.php">vote.

Indiana now requires all voters (with a few exceptions) to provide an acceptable form

of photo identification at the polling place before being able to cast your ballot.

The Indiana identification card resembles a driver license, but has a non-driver label at the top.

All ages are eligible to receive a state ID. The cards cost $13 and are valid for six years.

If you are at least 65 years old or disabled, the cost is $10.

If you can't afford to pay for a state ID card, you may be issued one for free

'IF' the proper documentation is presented. (emphasis mine)


How to Apply

To apply for a state ID card, just go to any http://www.in.gov/bmv/3353.htm">license agency.

Make sure to bring along proof of both your identity and

your date of birth from the state's acceptable documentation list.

You'll need to provide one document each from the primary, secondary, and proof of residency groups.

Or, you can show two documents from the primary group and one from the
http://www.in.gov/bmv/files/idreq.pdf">proof of residency group (PDF File)


Get this! :crazy:

They will accept as proof of Indiana residency group--> a VOTER REGISTRATION CARD!!!! :wtf:

Why aren't utility bills and leases also listed?

But they do list as acceptable an Indiana surveyor report or a car registration.

Why not a bus pass or a disabled placard?

These people make me sick!!

:grr:

:kick: & recommended
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:46 PM
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22. hmm Stevens - that's kind of a surprise...
bet his rationale was different than Scalia et al
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