Sorry. I'm an Obama supporter, but I don't enjoy yelling

[Armstead]

Well I gotta be honest.

I appreciated the message of Rev. Wright. But the shrieking grated on me.

Lemme make it clear. I also don't like being in a sports bar when white guys are yelling at the TV "OH YEAH! TOUCHDOWN!!! Wo-Wo-Wo-Wo-Wo!!"

Nor do I appreciate WWE Wrestlers yelling.

I loves my Rock and Roll, but I don't like Rockers who yell.

Politically, I love a rousing speech. But not yelling.

I love listening to the old speeches of Martin Luther King. Those rolling tones get me every time.

I'm just hoping voters who aren't predisposed to Obama don't get turned off by the volume.

[thunder rising]

1. Get the fuck over it.

[Armstead]

7. Yessir....Or Yessm

[quantass]

84. LOL! You made me laugh hard here in Canada (in a Postive, Genuine way)

Just thought your response was hysterical the way you said it...very funny (not being sarcastic or anything...just laughed aloud here).

anyway, i guess i should add some meat to your OP....the style of delivery is just that, a style of delivery...like a style of music....you just learn to love different styles and appreciate the colors of the rainbow...

For me, i love all types of music including: Hip Hop, R&B, Alternative Rock, Heavy metal (Black - Metalica is still the greatest), Pop, Classical Orchestra, Symphonic Film soundtracks (James Newton Howard and Thomas Newman y'all!!), Mexican music (Thalia just blew me away when i first heard her), and New Wave (OMG -- check out Adiemus I to IV -- hint: they made that famous Delta Airlines sound..Youtube --> "delta adiemus", you wont be disappointed).

My point being is that of those musical styles of mine i go in with a different understanding and appreciation and from it i gain alot more!

[Secret_Society]

9. What a tactful and sophisticated response

[Maine-ah]

57. it's a typical response from this particular poster.

welcome to DU! :hi:

.

[JoFerret]

23. You get over yourself

... the op made a reasonable non-inflammatory comment.

Religiosity at any volume is not something worth listening to. IMO

I am sure there are many rational and reasonable Obama atheists (and believers)who agree.

You are welcome to the ranters (of any persuasion.)

[Coexist]

47. that was rude.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

102. You sweet talkin' thang...

you.

:eyes:

p.s. do you ever say anything that isn't considered to be thoughtless?

[book_worm]

2. I agree

any preacher who yells reminds me of the old style fire and brimstone type, but that said, I thought much of what Rev. Wright said made great sense.

[noel711]

61. There was no amplification in poor churches back in the day....

preachers HAD to PROJECT to be heard in the back pews...

Just like, in my church tradition, we chanted the liturgy...
to be heard....

Differences are not deficiencies...

(Sheesh I learned a lot from that man!)

[stray cat]

3. I'm not part of that tradition - but I can respect a different tradition

[libnnc]

4. Well, to quote the good Reverend

"Different is not deficient."

:hi:

[TheDoorbellRang]

17. Just what I was thinking. Different, not deficient

Room for everybody around here.

[juajen]

86. Really? Clinton supporters don't feel that there is room for everybody

around here. In fact, just the opposite. Too bad. Now Obama supporters usually just argue with themselves. Very productive!

[TheDoorbellRang]

88. As far as I am concerned, you're welcome here

But it's not my place to say whether another DUer is welcome or not, nor is it my place to speak for all Obama supporters.

We all just do the best we can.

[2rth2pwr]

5. Racist.

[SeattleGirl]

6. I think you are demonstrating what the Rev. Wright was talking about.

I don't like a lot of yelling either, in some circumstances, but I CAN yell my head off at football and baseball games. :)

The Rev's speech didn't bother me, but I like that kind of preachin', as long as there is substance to it, and it's not a bunch of ignorant, hate-filled stuff (THAT kind of yelling, I don't like either.)

[Armstead]

35. At a sports game I say a quiet "Yay"

[SeattleGirl]

52. Hehe!

:spray:

[Spazito]

104. Exactly, both in learning styles and cultural differences, the OP

reflects exactly those differences. We DO need to celebrate our differences and not be afraid of them.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. different is not deficient

Obviously Rev. Wright's speech went over your head.

[Armstead]

12. No...I didn;t say he was deficient

Just different from what I like to hear

[MadBadger]

10. Its part of the tradition, and I think its powerful.

[kid a]

11. thats ok...you're different, but not deficient =)

[EffieBlack]

13. You must not have heard many of Dr. King's sermons - he often "yelled"

as do many Baptist preachers. It may not be your style but that's a personal choice.

And anyone who would vote against Obama because they don't like his preacher's preaching style, well . . .

[Armstead]

24. King didn;t yell in the way i'm referring to

He was loud and passionate, but his voice was melodious

[Tatiana]

53. My goodness, you must not have listened to the majority of his sermons

preached at Ebeneezer Baptist. His yells and shouts would bring the parishioners to their feet.

[Armstead]

70. Maybe we just define it differently

All I know is that Wright's crescendos grated on me, while King's had a different effect.

[yardwork]

103. You probably never heard the sermons where MLK Jr. shouted.

You're probably only familiar with the few speeches that were taped.

[EffieBlack]

85. He did indeed "yell" on occasion

He just didn't do it in his most famous speeches - maybe that's why they became famous, since they didn't turn some people off.

But MLK did indeed at times use the same preaching technique as Rev. Wright and many other black ministers, becoming very impassioned and "yelling" at the 3/4 point in the sermon. He tempered his style in his public speeches - for obvious reasons (if you think Rev. Wright turns off some white people in 2008, imagine the reaction of white folks to a loud Dr. King in 1965 - he scared them to death even when he didn't raise his voice!)

[WillyT]

14. Oh no...

:banghead:

[EFerrari]

15. Did you enjoy the singing, the British accent or the varieties of American?

lol

[Armstead]

25. That was good...I liked that

[EFerrari]

60. I hate sports bars, too and also shouting.

But I admit, I've thoroughly enjoyed watching this man. :)

[dkf]

16. When i first turned it on I was a little off put...but then I started

getting into it and I started grinning and then smiling and then laughing and I LOVED IT!

[cottonseed]

18. Grab your remote and turn down the volume!

Looks like you don't like loud people or places. Makes sense that you post that in GD Primaries. I think America will be able to deal with the loud talkers.

[grantcart]

19. we do not consider that difference a difficiency

however don't you ever get angry enough to yell like at the Iraq war?

[Armstead]

26. An old girlfriend once told me my voice was like Clint Eastwood

So I quietly snarl at things like the Iraq War :)

[Armstead]

20. Yes, yes, I know.....Different is not deficient

[ShortnFiery]

21. Then you wouldn't like some WHITE Southern Baptist Preachers, for one, my uncle in Texas.

He would wrap an onion in a handkerchief ... tears would stream down his face ... and he'd WAIL LOUDLY ... then POUND the pulpit and yell, "By the power of The Holy Spirit!!!" :wow:

Hey! Guess what? It's not just a Black thang. :eyes:

[Armstead]

27. Good point -- I don't like white preachers who shout like that either

Though I do love the style of Billy Graham

[ShortnFiery]

42. Guess all those years of "plain - non controversial" Catholic Mass has me longing for something

a little more lively ... Our Priests are frightened of the right wing community which surrounding us. Although we do many good social outreach programs, I long for a little spunk from our beloved Priest. :shrug:

BTW did you know that Billy Graham's greatest hits are "on tape" communicating anti-Semitic with then President Richard Nixon? Therefore, despite his STYLE, I'm not so fond of the core person behind the image. :thumbsdown:

If you speak "The Social Gospel" to me, go ahead and BLOW me away ... just don't lie to me by pretending that YOU CARE. :shrug:

[Armstead]

63. I guess I've been affected by all those years of not going to church

I'm an Episcopalian -- a fairly bloodless bunch when it comes to services.

[AquarianRealm62]

22. It's alright. It's a tradition for me. I took a white friend to church some years back and

she jumped alot..lol. She said, she enjoyed the message, but it scared the Hell out here whenever the preacher raised his voice.

[Armstead]

30. Paradoxically, I do love some Black Gospel music

I remember going to a Black Gospel meeting and the music literally felt like it was raising the room off the ground...The choirs and instruments and beat

[AquarianRealm62]

87. I love Gospel choirs..when they are good, man are they good and moving too!

[QC]

28. This is going to be interesting!

[Armstead]

33. LOL....

[QC]

50. LOL...

[Hoof Hearted]

46. Now, now.

:rofl:

[wndycty]

29. I can see your point, however what happens in Trinity should not be curtailed . . .

. . .because it upsets America.

[Armstead]

31. Never said it should be

Was just expressing my own personal reaction to Wright...

[wndycty]

38. But do you ever wonder why you even know anything about his style?

You are put off by his yelling, but did he come to your house and yell at you? Did he invite himself into your house to yell at you?

[Armstead]

40. Huh? /nt

[wndycty]

43. You are put off with his yelling, that is fine, but you should be more put off by the fact. . .

. . .the folks see fit to make him an issue. A lot of private citizens do things we don't like, but we are no bombarded with it by the media trying to ruin a presidential candidate.

[Armstead]

64. I totally agree

Personally,. I'd be just as happy not knowing anything about Obama's pastor. Makes no difference to me one way or the other......Only time it might matter is if someone was a Satanist or something. Otherwise, my small-town New England attitude is "What you do in church doesn't matter. It's what you do in the outside world that counts."

[Skittles]

32. personally, I like yellers

isn't THAT a surpirse :7

[Armstead]

36. Never would have guessed -- LOL

[Aloha Spirit]

37. ha, +1. I totally got out of my chair at the end when he told us to get up.

[kid a]

39. I did too!

[Aloha Spirit]

34. It's alright man. You're different, not deficient! Seriously though. Don't worry about other voters

This speech is a milemarker on Obama's road to the White House.

[RamboLiberal]

41. Are you voting for Obama or Wright?

Any voter who votes against Obama based on Rev. Wright deserves the president we get.

Fine, you don't like yelling. Obama doesn't yell.

Personally I don't mind intelligent yelling or intelligent quiet discussion.

Hell, I learned things I didn't know tonight from Wright. He's a man that gets one thinking.

If I'd had preachers like Wright I'd have slept through far less sermons. I never was a morning person! I'd sleep through the droners.

Like he said, different is not deficient.

[Armstead]

65. As I said in the op, I'm an Obama supporter

[Swamp Rat]

44. Did Obama yell?

:shrug:

[dchill]

45. I have it on good authority that...

you're not deficient! :)

[butterfly77]

48. Evidently, you didn't get the point of the speech...

didn't he just tell you about differences.

[Armstead]

66. I did get the point of the speech

He just doesn't ring my chimes.

Apart from the potential effect on the election, I don't care.

[Catherine Vincent]

49. I don't like the screaming either.

But that's just baptist preachers style.

[thewiseguy]

51. Thats a personal preference..so I would have to ask you, so what?

Like what is it to us that you dont like yelling?

[Armstead]

67. You live up to your screen name I see -- This is a discussion board

I'm discussing my own reaction.

[PurityOfEssence]

54. One of quite a few nicely honest posts of uneasiness by Obama supporters of late

Well said.

Many of your other fellow supporters have posted similar thoughts lately, and it reflects well on the group.

People need to also beware of the overt cadences of religious oration, too: many of us CAN'T STAND it, and it is an impediment. There's still a very good chance he'll get the nomination, and if so, I hope he and his supporters can avoid the messianic thrillfest that I've seen far too much of already. It's a turn-off to lots of us.

[BeyondGeography]

55. Rev. Wright was downright meditative compared with Wendell Anthony's intro.

What I saw was pretty low key by comparison. If it gets to you, come back to the text: Different is not deficient. I'm an old Euro at heart and I like it quiet, too. That doesn't mean there's only one way to reach people.

I find the man to be incredibly compelling...did anyone hear when he swung from cantata to the blues? That was beautiful; he has an ear for both, and he clearly enjoys beauty wherever he finds it. Life's too short, our common predicament too precarious, not to appreciate all that is good in humankind. I feel that's what he's about, and that, like Obama, he's a man after my own heart when all is said and done.

[Aloha Spirit]

59. Amen!! He was passing no judgment (well, except with O'Reilly). He was celebrating difference.

[Armstead]

69. That's true....The Intro made Wright sound meek by comparison

I've got nothing against Wright....I just can;t relate. But it makes no diff in my view of Obama ultimately.

[Tatiana]

56. He only used volume ("yelling") to emphasize particular points.

If you listen to the totality of the speech, it was pretty even-keel and scholarly, IMO. He wasn't "yelling" about pedagogy or cognitive learning styles or left-brain vs. right-brain thinking.

[Tribetime]

58. music blasting from cars, shaking my house at 3am

now that bothers me. This not at all

[michska]

62. well maybe your house likes to get down, you should too

imho it's a sign....

[anigbrowl]

68. I'm introverted too, but there's a place for both styles

Actually, one of the things I like about Obama is that he has a pretty quiet demeanor - although he's an excellent orator and knows how to use his voice to work a crowd, I get the impression that he's most comfortable with quiet conversation or expressing his thoughts in writing.

[ClericJohnPreston]

71. I knew you when

you weren't a Kool-Aid drinker Armstead, but an Edwards suporter.

You're all so busy trying to prove your non-racist bona fides because you support a safe Black candidate, when you never did anything to fight racism personally, that your "slip" is showing where the rubber hits the road. See how uncomfortable you get when a real Black man speaks?

[Hoof Hearted]

72. Somebody makes an honest post about their general aversion to screaming and you have to

play the race card.

You are the one who just called Obama a "safe" black man and J. Wright a "real" black man. Tend to the plank in your own eye.

[Armstead]

73. You ought to re-read my post

I was simply discussing on a discussion board my own reaction to Wright.

It's not about race. It's about yelling and style and a message that I didn't think was presented in a very compelling way. Hells Bells, I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X when I was 16. Now that was some heavy duty confrontation of the dirty laundry of racism. So Wright hardly scared me off on that basis.

And your blanket statement is presumptuous because you know nothing about what I have or haven't done to combat racism in my own life.

Excuse me now, my Kool Aid glass is low and I have to refill it. :)

[Bluebear]

99. "when a real Black man speaks" - - ?? What is "real"?

[donheld]

74. I heard the yelling the entire time while I was growing up, and

I've never been in a black church. I grew up in one of the most radical conservative holiness churches in american, and I've heard plenty yelling and screaming year in and year out.

[Tresalisa]

75. I'm with you on the yelling by a speaker, such as a pastor,

as it makes me feel uncomfortable, but I love sports, so yelling at sporting events on TV in the sports bar is A-OK with me!

On a side note, I called my credit card company a few days ago, not knowing that I'd misdialed by one number, didn't hear the usual intro but didn't pick up on exactly what was being said in the intro, entered my secret code when asked for it, and got "YOU HAVE ENTERED AN INVALID CODE. PLEASE RE-ENTER THE CORRECT CODE!!!! at top volume! It was scary! I ended the call, half expecting to get a knock at my door and getting taken away, never to be seen again!

[hokies4ever]

76. Then turn down the volume

on your computer. It's not like you were at the event. Just another manufactured issue not addressing anything of substance. "He's yelling when he's speaking!" Turn the volume down.

[Bluebear]

77. In the break room at work, people were talking to the TV saying "Sit down & shut up!"

This was strictly during the introduction by Rev. Wendell Anthony. I think he is going to have some sore throat in the morning :) but yes, for those not familiar with the whole situation, the shrieking was not a popular outreach mechanism.

Now I'm sure I'll be told to "get the fuck used to it", but there it is.

[hokies4ever]

78. Turn the volume down

Next.

[Bluebear]

80. Great, a dismissive attitude. That'll win elections.

[hokies4ever]

83. Well, just turn the volume down

I notice you're attacking me and not the argument. Don't you find it strange that you're complaining that somebody was too loud on your television set? See that down arrow by the word 'volume'? Put it to use. Never used a remote control before or something?

Just admit it. You realize how dumb it is to complain that somebody is yelling on your TV set. Your real complaint is something else, but you're just masking it with a complaint about how loud your TV is.

These are the big boy threads. You need to come armed with better arguments next time. If you do respond, please let us know why you didn't turn down the volume on the TV if it was so loud.

[Bluebear]

91. What an ass, are you like this in real life?

gbig boy threads, just what we need, some newbie lecturing people with two-bit stuff like "Never used a remote control before or something?"

Get lost.

[hokies4ever]

105. You're the one complaining about the volume

and yet you duck and dodge the question about why you didn't turn the volume down. Not that I'm actually waiting for a legit answer.

[MrSlayer]

79. It's from the soul, I love that shit.

It's very passionate and intense.

[graycem]

81. Some undoubtedly will..

But then even supporters have different perspectives like you and I. When I was young, I remember people from different faiths visiting our church on occasion and found themselves in culture shock because the evangelical style of preaching gets LOUD and very excited and they were used to their more docile Baptist preacher.

When I used to attend church all those years ago, I kinda' liked it. Listening to a preacher drone on in a monotonous voice is a call for a snoozefest. So I guess it's just what we're taught, and have grown accustomed to. I think it'll be more "jarring" to people who are agnostic or atheist if they've never had the opportunity to attend a church of this type or even hear a sermon preached louder than most Baptist and Catholic religions preach. Hopefully they won't judge him by his tenor but by his words.

[crankychatter]

82. so maybe cnn and fox shouldn't go to NAACP conventions

You could call them about it

or you COULD use your remote

personally, I don't like the Bee Gee's

so I don't own any of their CDs

I'm a pentecostal agnostic... I shout and stomp and speak in tongues

but I'm pretty sure it's brain damage

[Buzz Clik]

89. Quiet rock and roll? Oh, my.

Muskrat Love? :shrug:

[Armstead]

97. REM yes. Judas Priest No.

[Buzz Clik]

98. Yep, I nailed it.

[Armstead]

100. Okay -- The Clash in non-yelling mode Yes; The shreiking Clash, Not so much

[kid a]

90. hmmmm...haven't seen Obama yelling lately.

[Bluebear]

93. I don't think he would yell if he was on fire.

The guy has a calm demeanor :)

[LSK]

92. FYI , Reverend Wright is NOT running for any office

I REPEAT, Reverend Wright is not running for office.

So you will not have to put up with much yelling at all.

[formernaderite]

94. I understand exactly

sorry, my ear is more attuned to NPR level of speech. I pretty much HATE charismatic churches, preachers who use vitriolic hyperbole..regardless of their politics or skin color. I have been crossing my fingers this won't have a deep effect on Obama..but whoknows.

[wowimthere]

95. If they get turned off so easily by this then they were looking for any ole excuse not to vote for

him.

[frickaline]

96. I agree with you

I don't mind his message but his delivery bothers me. Its way to Hollywood sensationalist. I like facts, not emotions.

I start to feel manipulated and not educated when the delivery is in this format, and that's a definite turn-off.

[yardwork]

101. Who cares?

I loathe most politicians and I can't stand and never go to political rallies. That doesn't stop me from voting for Democrats.